For the vast majority of the first couple months it was a true 1 v 1 as western supplies didn't arrive till months into it.
Ans guess what happened
Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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Ans guess what happened
Oh cool, you made that same argument back in January. You should get new material.
Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
Oh, this is going to be good. What 'recent successes' has Russia enjoyed? Indeed it will be good, as it should start with you admitting I was right about their artillery for one. As for recent successes, they've completely stopped Ukrainian offensives and now have the initiative, as...
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IndyFront
Well-known member
Yeah it's still a stalemate lol
I mean, Ukraine still has Kyiv, Kharkiv, and Kherson.
What do you mean? The guy has been admin for the site appointed by Horton himself and in the Cat's absence the past few years he has pretty much always been the commander and chief over there.
Horton's second in command runs FIC now in all but legal writting.
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Ehhh.... no... it wasn't a stalemate. After regrouping from their failed northern offensive the Russians were grinding out the Ukrainians with their ridiculous artillery advantage that allowed them to take Severodonetsk / Lysychansk, take Izium and keep Kharkhiv under constant threat, almost take Bakhmut the first time AND keep advancing from the Kherson front towards putting Zelinsky's hometown under threat. And if the reports from Kyiv itself at the time were not massively exaggerated (and I don't think they were), there was basically little they could do to actually stop that artillery steamroller.
The thing that actually stopped it were the HIMARS which is of course not in any way Ukrainian from the production side.
It's much the same deal as a month or two ago when Ukraine ran out of their Soviet / home built S-300 and other anti air stockpiles, things probably would've gotten really bad really fast without those Patriot missile batteries being deployed.
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LordsFire
Internet Wizard
...So you just ignore the reports from the Russian soldiers who actually fought on the ground, Wagner's own reports about losing tens of thousands of men, multiple reports about the Russians having shell shortages...
It's literally just 'I ignore anything that doesn't support my position, even reports coming from the side I support'?
I guess that explains your warped perspective on how the war is going.
Megadeath
Well-known member
You know, that's the second time you've called Bakhmut a city. You realise it had a prewar population of all of about 70,000 right? At the greatest extremities it's maybe 8×8km. This is what it looked like in April after... What, a year of fighting?
The Russians weren't "levelling" the town. They aren't capable of doing so. Nor are they capable of the kind of danger close arms integration between artillery and infantry you seem to be suggesting. In reality, they were blasting likely looking targets, then afterwards doing exactly what you said: sending in zerg rushes of untrained idiots, often prisoners with effectively no training and basically no proper kit. And indeed, behind them were the more "professional" wagner mercenaries, and they were indeed quite willing to kill their own people. Every part of that has been documented and presented.
I do not get your weird myopia. You're grandstanding for a bunch of losers, who either don't care about you or hate you. If you think they share your values and objectives, you've simply deluded yourself about what theirs are. Not so long ago, it was understandable to think Russia truly were an impressive fighting force, and not to realise their only concern is their own aggrandisement and power. It's obvious now they're a pathetic shell of their former selves, and even more clear their supposed beliefs and values are just an excuse for an ever more authoritarian, draconian regime. How stupid do you have to be, that them is the hill you want to fight and die on? Do you think you're fighting against leftism by supporting the ghost of the USSR, or are you just the sad, lonely teenager your immaturity suggest, edge-lording on the internet so you can jerk off over your imaginary superiority and brilliance in seeing the "truth"?
Buba
A total creep
For many non-native speakers of English the distinction between city and town is difficult to grasp.
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
You know, that's the second time you've called Bakhmut a city. You realise it had a prewar population of all of about 70,000 right? At the greatest extremities it's maybe 8×8km. This is what it looked like in April after... What, a year of fighting?
The Russians weren't "levelling" the town. They aren't capable of doing so. Nor are they capable of the kind of danger close arms integration between artillery and infantry you seem to be suggesting. In reality, they were blasting likely looking targets, then afterwards doing exactly what you said: sending in zerg rushes of untrained idiots, often prisoners with effectively no training and basically no proper kit. And indeed, behind them were the more "professional" wagner mercenaries, and they were indeed quite willing to kill their own people. Every part of that has been documented and presented.
I do not get your weird myopia. You're grandstanding for a bunch of losers, who either don't care about you or hate you. If you think they share your values and objectives, you've simply deluded yourself about what theirs are. Not so long ago, it was understandable to think Russia truly were an impressive fighting force, and not to realise their only concern is their own aggrandisement and power. It's obvious now they're a pathetic shell of their former selves, and even more clear their supposed beliefs and values are just an excuse for an ever more authoritarian, draconian regime. How stupid do you have to be, that them is the hill you want to fight and die on? Do you think you're fighting against leftism by supporting the ghost of the USSR, or are you just the sad, lonely teenager your immaturity suggest, edge-lording on the internet so you can jerk off over your imaginary superiority and brilliance in seeing the "truth"?
They were doing the exact same thing they did in grozny and in syria. A slow, steady grind of artillery, followed up by infantry assaults to clear the rubble. Its the exact technique.
As for what i am doing? I am opposing the very Empire that wants to throw people in prison for saying that men cant get pregnant.
I dont care much about Putin or the Russia and have little interest in Russian culture. As an anglo-canadian i actually sympathise with the desire of the Ukrainians to forge an identity apart from Russia. Believe me, i understand what its like to be right next to a goliath with whom you share intimate political, cultural and linguistic ties that considers you to be its backyard.
What i want to see is the defeat of the Rainbow Empire, because its defeat is a precondition of my liberation and your liberation as well. The Rainbow Empire wants to turn the entire planet into one big gay disco of rootless consumerbots dominated by an omnipresent crowd sourced panopticon and throw everyone who dissents into a prison.
If the Empire wins this war, its power grows and things get far worse for us. If it loses, it grows weaker and more discredited. So i stand with Russia.
As for Russia?
They went into this completely unprepared. They did not prepare for a large long campaign, instead they gambled on a quick blitz and lost.
Unlike the USA, Russia didnt spend most of the years since ww2 in constant warfare. They were inexperienced and it showed. Then they spent 6 months trying to figure out what to do, and in september finally decided to go for the gusto and began to properly mobilise. All the time since then has been Russia pressing the reset button, mobilising and applying its lessons learned.
Russia was never 'losing'. What you saw as Ukrainian victory was just the up and down on a graph. But the trend line bends towards russian victory. Russia is pursuing a military and economic strategy. Ukraine is pursuing a media strategy in the hopes of foreign intervention or some miracle.
How would america have fared in this? It depends on them neutralising Ukraines air defenses. w/o its unlimited air power it would struggle too. The USA does not have the artillery power that Russia has. They would be much better on the tactical level, the legacy of the GWOT, but on the operational level? I think they would have struggled a great deal if the Ukrainians were being backed to same level by an outside power. The USA has not fought a mechanised and industrialised opponent since Korea.
Everyone forgets that in 2006 Israel fought, and could not decisively defeat a much weaker opponent that was heavily dug in and made liberal use of anti-tank rockets. War has changed. And we are seeing now how war has changed.
Far too many Americans suffer from desertstormitis. The American victories over Iraq were just the modern version of Victorian era Redcoats with gatling guns mowing down native tribesmen. Nothing more.
And just FYI, I am no edgy teen. My roots in this place go back to the era when spacebattles was still about fan movies of spacebattles.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
Plus, it depends on perspective. In some smaller countries, 70 000 people can still be a decently sized city.
Megadeath
Well-known member
True, though his posting in general is consistent with a solid grasp of English. Certainly better than his tenuous grasp on reality. Plus his earlier description of "the successful urban campaign where the outnumbered attackers captured a heavily fortified city" certainly makes it seem like wilful misrepresentation rather than a simple slip of language.
Buba
A total creep
Maxims with single barrel?
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
They were doing the exact same thing they did in grozny and in syria. A slow, steady grind of artillery, followed up by infantry assaults to clear the rubble. Its the exact technique.
As for what i am doing? I am opposing the very Empire that wants to throw people in prison for saying that men cant get pregnant.
I dont care much about Putin or the Russia and have little interest in Russian culture. As an anglo-canadian i actually sympathise with the desire of the Ukrainians to forge an identity apart from Russia. Believe me, i understand what its like to be right next to a goliath with whom you share intimate political, cultural and linguistic ties that considers you to be its backyard.
What i want to see is the defeat of the Rainbow Empire, because its defeat is a precondition of my liberation and your liberation as well. The Rainbow Empire wants to turn the entire planet into one big gay disco of rootless consumerbots dominated by an omnipresent crowd sourced panopticon and throw everyone who dissents into a prison.
If the Empire wins this war, its power grows and things get far worse for us. If it loses, it grows weaker and more discredited. So i stand with Russia.
As for Russia?
They went into this completely unprepared. They did not prepare for a large long campaign, instead they gambled on a quick blitz and lost.
Unlike the USA, Russia didnt spend most of the years since ww2 in constant warfare. They were inexperienced and it showed. Then they spent 6 months trying to figure out what to do, and in september finally decided to go for the gusto and began to properly mobilise. All the time since then has been Russia pressing the reset button, mobilising and applying its lessons learned.
Russia was never 'losing'. What you saw as Ukrainian victory was just the up and down on a graph. But the trend line bends towards russian victory. Russia is pursuing a military and economic strategy. Ukraine is pursuing a media strategy in the hopes of foreign intervention or some miracle.
How would america have fared in this? It depends on them neutralising Ukraines air defenses. w/o its unlimited air power it would struggle too. The USA does not have the artillery power that Russia has. They would be much better on the tactical level, the legacy of the GWOT, but on the operational level? I think they would have struggled a great deal if the Ukrainians were being backed to same level by an outside power. The USA has not fought a mechanised and industrialised opponent since Korea.
Everyone forgets that in 2006 Israel fought, and could not decisively defeat a much weaker opponent that was heavily dug in and made liberal use of anti-tank rockets. War has changed. And we are seeing now how war has changed.
Far too many Americans suffer from desertstormitis. The American victories over Iraq were just the modern version of Victorian era Redcoats with gatling guns mowing down native tribesmen. Nothing more.
And just FYI, I am no edgy teen. My roots in this place go back to the era when spacebattles was still about fan movies of spacebattles.
I have to admit, I was laughing at this entire post thinking it was satire, until realizing you were completely serious.
I mean, majority of it can probably be repaired so very little
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
He's got politics on the brain. That often lowers one's IQ to room temperature.
The USSR was in war through the entire cold war as well.They were doing the exact same thing they did in grozny and in syria. A slow, steady grind of artillery, followed up by infantry assaults to clear the rubble. Its the exact technique.
As for what i am doing? I am opposing the very Empire that wants to throw people in prison for saying that men cant get pregnant.
I dont care much about Putin or the Russia and have little interest in Russian culture. As an anglo-canadian i actually sympathise with the desire of the Ukrainians to forge an identity apart from Russia. Believe me, i understand what its like to be right next to a goliath with whom you share intimate political, cultural and linguistic ties that considers you to be its backyard.
What i want to see is the defeat of the Rainbow Empire, because its defeat is a precondition of my liberation and your liberation as well. The Rainbow Empire wants to turn the entire planet into one big gay disco of rootless consumerbots dominated by an omnipresent crowd sourced panopticon and throw everyone who dissents into a prison.
If the Empire wins this war, its power grows and things get far worse for us. If it loses, it grows weaker and more discredited. So i stand with Russia.
As for Russia?
They went into this completely unprepared. They did not prepare for a large long campaign, instead they gambled on a quick blitz and lost.
Unlike the USA, Russia didnt spend most of the years since ww2 in constant warfare. They were inexperienced and it showed. Then they spent 6 months trying to figure out what to do, and in september finally decided to go for the gusto and began to properly mobilise. All the time since then has been Russia pressing the reset button, mobilising and applying its lessons learned.
Russia was never 'losing'. What you saw as Ukrainian victory was just the up and down on a graph. But the trend line bends towards russian victory. Russia is pursuing a military and economic strategy. Ukraine is pursuing a media strategy in the hopes of foreign intervention or some miracle.
How would america have fared in this? It depends on them neutralising Ukraines air defenses. w/o its unlimited air power it would struggle too. The USA does not have the artillery power that Russia has. They would be much better on the tactical level, the legacy of the GWOT, but on the operational level? I think they would have struggled a great deal if the Ukrainians were being backed to same level by an outside power. The USA has not fought a mechanised and industrialised opponent since Korea.
Everyone forgets that in 2006 Israel fought, and could not decisively defeat a much weaker opponent that was heavily dug in and made liberal use of anti-tank rockets. War has changed. And we are seeing now how war has changed.
Far too many Americans suffer from desertstormitis. The American victories over Iraq were just the modern version of Victorian era Redcoats with gatling guns mowing down native tribesmen. Nothing more.
And just FYI, I am no edgy teen. My roots in this place go back to the era when spacebattles was still about fan movies of spacebattles.
Invasion of Czechozlovakia, Afghanistan, Iran crisis, Chinese Civil War, Korea, Vietnam, Congo crisis, multiple Berlin crisis's, operation Trikora, Cuban missile crisis, sino-soviet border conflict, Ogaden war, sino-Vietnamese war, and a few ir them invovled but not directly.military intervention, but they were invovled with a lot or almost every sort of conflict in the world especially if it invovled communists.
The Russian Federation was invovled in: Georgia multiple times, transistria, Tajikistan, Chechnya twice, Syria.
Buba
A total creep
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