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JagerIV said:
I'm asking what you think stops the military from saying yes. Your not at the stage of forcing the military to do somethning it doesn't want to do. The higher ups want a purge, and will only want a purge more as, well, trump appointments are purged.

Like, your saying they already can do 90% of what their demanding. I assume those preexisting bans have some sort of teeth.

Thus, you strangely seem to be suggesting they can't do what they're already doing. Are you in now, or are you retired? Because the mood of current active duty ive talked to seems to be terror or at least dread.
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Because what everyone seems to be thinking is that they are going to thought police us and punish us for voting Trump.
Which they cant.
What they are doing is just increasing a list of banned symbols, a few of which are going to cause issues, and that is as far as the "Ban" and "Purge" will go from what they have done so far.

I am Active Duty, and I work at a Division level.

WHat I am saying is that people need to fucking relax, and in doing so makes their lives a lot better and less stressful, and to make the military NOT have a reason to do such a thing.
 
I mean, all your saying is they're not going to implement full communism tomorrow. The goal is to intimidate an extra hundred thousand, and probably persecute to the level of court some 10-20 as examples to the rest.

And in general display power to demoralize everyone else that no one is safe.
 
JagerIV said:
I mean, all your saying is they're not going to implement full communism tomorrow. The goal is to intimidate an extra hundred thousand, and probably persecute to the level of court some 10-20 as examples to the rest.

And in general display power to demoralize everyone else that no one is safe.
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And that it wont do shit.

What I am getting at is people are freaking out because people are calling for "THEY ARE GOING TO PURGE" and those that listen start to freak out
 
Okay. Will this make right wing military people more vocal, or less vocal?

As people come up for their renlistment, will this kind of pressure make right leaners more, or less likely to sign up again?

How many prosecutions, even if the soldier is in the end declaired innocent, will it take for the rest of the soldiers to get the message of conform or leave?

You seem to be suggesting the memo declaring there intention to purge and to start thinking on how to do it won't directly purge many people. And, well, sure. We think, say, a single step forward to step two however...

By what their putting out, they're ramping up to the idea of a forever war domestic counterinsurgency. It might take them 5 to 10 years to get the military in the shape they want, but thats fine.

And I'm not sure it even will take that long. Obama did a lot of damage to the military, and trump didnt reverse much. If anything the bad Obama trends continued under trump, maybe marginally slower at best, and those will just ramp up from this point on.

The point of this is to express their desire to get to work on a purge, and we should believe them here on what they say their intentions are. Stating it openly helps the process along by getting some soldiers to pre-emtively purge themselves, which some were already thinking when looking at the risk of a Biden presidency. The president coming out with his intent to openly persecute them only further pushes that trend.

Furthermore, it demoralizing the right, because it exposes their helplessness to stop them from purging the last right wing aligned bit of government.

This has been a process at least 10 years in motion, and probably longer. The pre-existing trend lines were scary enough, and I see no reason with Biden pushing it they cant accelerate those trends even further.
 
JagerIV said:
Okay. Will this make right wing military people more vocal, or less vocal?

As people come up for their renlistment, will this kind of pressure make right leaners more, or less likely to sign up again?

How many prosecutions, even if the soldier is in the end declaired innocent, will it take for the rest of the soldiers to get the message of conform or leave?

You seem to be suggesting the memo declaring there intention to purge and to start thinking on how to do it won't directly purge many people. And, well, sure. We think, say, a single step forward to step two however...

By what their putting out, they're ramping up to the idea of a forever war domestic counterinsurgency. It might take them 5 to 10 years to get the military in the shape they want, but thats fine.

And I'm not sure it even will take that long. Obama did a lot of damage to the military, and trump didnt reverse much. If anything the bad Obama trends continued under trump, maybe marginally slower at best, and those will just ramp up from this point on.

The point of this is to express their desire to get to work on a purge, and we should believe them here on what they say their intentions are. Stating it openly helps the process along by getting some soldiers to pre-emtively purge themselves, which some were already thinking when looking at the risk of a Biden presidency. The president coming out with his intent to openly persecute them only further pushes that trend.

Furthermore, it demoralizing the right, because it exposes their helplessness to stop them from purging the last right wing aligned bit of government.

This has been a process at least 10 years in motion, and probably longer. The pre-existing trend lines were scary enough, and I see no reason with Biden pushing it they cant accelerate those trends even further.
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More Vocal, and fun fact left leaning members of the military that are not more of the center, the more progressive ones, usually don't stay in longer then their first contract, where as the right stays in longer.

Less out of being a right wong person, but because they care more for the country and the like.

Honestly? one should never be political while in he military, outside of voting. Because they want is to work as a team, they want us to put aside such things and be willing to take a bullet for anyone.

And guess what? most are like this. Left or right. There are exceptions,. but a good 90% would take a bullet for someone they may not agree oneverything with. With increase in deployments coming up, Infantry will remain one of the most right leaning parts of the Military.
 
Also, one commenter on another board who’s in the Army once pointed out that if they were really going to go after people who talk about “the boogaloo” etc, it would mean they’d have to arrest 90% of the officer corps and 100% of the NCO corps, i.e., the people they need to keep the military running. Not to mention that a disproportionate number of people in the actual combat arms lean conservative, so any actual attempts to conduct political purges would at best get stonewalled while everyone covers for everyone else...if not outright undermined from within.

Meanwhile, it seems there’s been a giant spike in illegal border crossings as people just get waved through. Thank God we aren’t in the middle of a major pandemic or anything that could result in the spread of a lethal disease or anything...
 
Airedale260 said:
Also, one commenter on another board who’s in the Army once pointed out that if they were really going to go after people who talk about “the boogaloo” etc, it would mean they’d have to arrest 90% of the officer corps and 100% of the NCO corps, i.e., the people they need to keep the military running. Not to mention that a disproportionate number of people in the actual combat arms lean conservative, so any actual attempts to conduct political purges would at best get stonewalled while everyone covers for everyone else...if not outright undermined from within.

Meanwhile, it seems there’s been a giant spike in illegal border crossings as people just get waved through. Thank God we aren’t in the middle of a major pandemic or anything that could result in the spread of a lethal disease or anything...
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The good news is that when this is over the white, black and hispanic communities will all come together as one because we will discover we all hate these control freak assholes much more then we could ever hate each other.
 
Airedale260 said:
Also, one commenter on another board who’s in the Army once pointed out that if they were really going to go after people who talk about “the boogaloo” etc, it would mean they’d have to arrest 90% of the officer corps and 100% of the NCO corps, i.e., the people they need to keep the military running.
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They don't have too. Kill the chicken to warn the monkey. They just have to pick a few people to make examples of and just absolutely fuck their lives.

The essance of a police state is not merely heavy policing, but rather making everyone into a criminal so that you can punish them arbitrarily using prosecutorial discretion.
 
Doomsought said:
They don't have too. Kill the chicken to warn the monkey. They just have to pick a few people to make examples of and just absolutely fuck their lives.

The essance of a police state is not merely heavy policing, but rather making everyone into a criminal so that you can punish them arbitrarily using prosecutorial discretion.
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That's a key part of it, yes. It's also part of why disarming the populace is essential, because it's massively more difficult to enforce fear through your random victim selection, when half or more of your victims can shoot back.
 
Terthna said:
...How the hell did that happen? I thought giving free stuff to illegals was the Democrats' thing.
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It's because the national debt was already a problem and the last round of stimulus checks made it far worse, according to Biden himself social security is set to run out of cash this term and the Democrats want to hot potatoe that into the hands of an incoming Republican administration in a few years and blame them for it.
 
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Airedale260 said:
Also, one commenter on another board who’s in the Army once pointed out that if they were really going to go after people who talk about “the boogaloo” etc, it would mean they’d have to arrest 90% of the officer corps and 100% of the NCO corps, i.e., the people they need to keep the military running. Not to mention that a disproportionate number of people in the actual combat arms lean conservative, so any actual attempts to conduct political purges would at best get stonewalled while everyone covers for everyone else...if not outright undermined from within.

Meanwhile, it seems there’s been a giant spike in illegal border crossings as people just get waved through. Thank God we aren’t in the middle of a major pandemic or anything that could result in the spread of a lethal disease or anything...
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They would lose roughly 80 to 85% of Officer corps, and about 90% NCO.
Maybe lower on NCO.
A majority that stay in are conservative past thier first six years, but one must realize they could also be more moderate then a lot of us here.


They will lose most of the combat arms for sure though
 
Eh, I just dont think they see it as a problem. They just need to make sure they'll follow their orders, and the new corrupted generations will push out the conservatives eventually. As long as the military bureaucracy is controlled and filled with leftists, and conservatives do what their told, who cares.

Plus I mean, you vsn always outsource to fill the difference.
 
JagerIV said:
Eh, I just dont think they see it as a problem. They just need to make sure they'll follow their orders, and the new corrupted generations will push out the conservatives eventually. As long as the military bureaucracy is controlled and filled with leftists, and conservatives do what their told, who cares.

Plus I mean, you vsn always outsource to fill the difference.
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Countries have been hiring PMCs to keep the official coffins coming back low.
 
JagerIV said:
Eh, I just dont think they see it as a problem. They just need to make sure they'll follow their orders, and the new corrupted generations will push out the conservatives eventually. As long as the military bureaucracy is controlled and filled with leftists, and conservatives do what their told, who cares.

Plus I mean, you vsn always outsource to fill the difference.
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You are misguided entirely.

The amount of military who will follow every order or rule given to them is very small.

Trust me, if the new mask rule implemented by SECDEF (someone who is having his distaste by the military growing with his stupid rules) is anything to go by. Most don't do it.

So yeah, the mikitary may be rule followers, but we arnt idiots.
Especially if it goes against our beliefs.

The beaurcracy actually varies pretty heavily at the higher levels.

Most stay neutral because they want to please both sides to get what they want.

Welcome to the military. We play both sides to get everything we want. Always has been this way.
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Countries have been hiring PMCs to keep the official coffins coming back low.
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US doesn't as much as it could.
 
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