United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread

[Sobek]

In other news…

Yes, some dumbass is officially calling for it now.

Liberal college professor suggests Biden 'declare war' on Republicans, compares them to Civil War slaveholders

Liberal college professor Heather Cox Richardson suggested that President Biden "declare war" on Republicans in an effort to combat what she claimed was the party's move toward authoritarianism, as well as distract Americans from his increasingly low approval rating.

www.foxnews.com

Beyond parody.

Go on. Do it. I dare you.

See how well that turns out.

 

[Bacle]

It hilarious some of you still think the US is the lynchpin upon which the world revolves.

Even if the US screws the pooch and we end up Balkanizing, France and Israel can still preserve Western Democracy and values.

We might be able to save this nation, but if we do not it is not the end of the world or of the West.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

The western world would collapse and the world economy would follow

Oh, the rest of the world would quickly go FUBAR without the US propping up so many others. I could easily see China getting aggressive. Russia might very well do something. The ME (Iran) would likely make moves. Africa would probably fracture even more. The EU would get stupid very quickly. South America might be the only region of relative stability.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

France and Israel can still preserve Western Democracy and values.

That's...very debatable.

France is looking at their own potential revolution (again), and who knows how badly the EU would fracture once the world economy takes a massive dump.

Israel is great...as long as it survives.

 

[Zachowon]

Uh...
No the world would still fracture because the most powerful country economically and militarily crashes and fractures.
The world follows because they lost leverage

 

[Chiron]

This is THE prime example of why we should never move to a nationalized health care program.

The current system is far worse than national healthcare and pre-covid was killing 40,000 people a year. The issue isn't whether Healthcare is nationalized or not, the issue is whether it is competently run, accessible, and not corrupted.

This where single payer, doctor autonomy, and public ownership of medical treatments would be necessary reforms. Obvious reforms, but we are unable to take them as irresponsible children have hijacked the debate and prevented an adult conversation.

Your post indicates you are one of the children incapable of an adult conversation.

Insurance companies and drug companies have the power of life and death over people and have no oversight over them as they bought out government. In a universal system where the drug patents are owned by the public, we can vote out bad actors and control pricing so people have access. Because in the end, you are as protected as the least covered person.

Take out the insurance companies, make drug manufacturing a publicly owned utility with publicly owned research and let doctors actually practice medicine. Also, "it worked," is an affirmative defense to any adverse actions. These are adult solutions, real adults should be pursuing.

Free Market vs Socialized Medicine is a false dichotomy immature children argue over. Don't be children in this matter.

 

[Arch Dornan]

In other news…

Yes, some dumbass is officially calling for it now.

Liberal college professor suggests Biden 'declare war' on Republicans, compares them to Civil War slaveholders

Liberal college professor Heather Cox Richardson suggested that President Biden "declare war" on Republicans in an effort to combat what she claimed was the party's move toward authoritarianism, as well as distract Americans from his increasingly low approval rating.

www.foxnews.com

Beyond parody.

War on Terror to War on the GOP?

 

[Sobek]

War on Terror to War on the GOP?

Bringing the war on terror home

All the advantages of the massive money making of the MIC, plus you keep all the serfs in line.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

the issue is whether it is competently run, accessible, and not corrupted.

By it's very nature, empowering the government to completely control this will lead to untold levels of corruption.

This where single payer, doctor autonomy, and public ownership of medical treatments would be necessary reforms.

Single payer, which means WE have no say in actual cost. That's gonna be figured out by the government and the manufacturers and the medical professionals. ALL of which have been shown to be corrupt in the wake of the CARES ACT.

Your post indicates you are one of the children incapable of an adult conversation.

Nice distraction.

we can vote out bad actors and control pricing so people have access. Because in the end, you are as protected as the least covered person.

Sure, vote people out. Won't fix the problem b/c the problem is the unelected bureaucrats...which will now include EVERY single person in the health care industry. That's not a fix.

Take out the insurance companies, make drug manufacturing a publicly owned utility with publicly owned research and let doctors actually practice medicine.

I'm good with getting rid of the insurance companies. Definitely removing them as a middle man for determining costs. People should SEE how much it costs for everything and pay directly. THAT alone will drive down costs.

Publically owned drug manufacturing...? Ummm...no. That will severely put a damper on innovation and development of new technologies. It will pretty much mean that we will NEVER be allowed to seek recompense from faulty devices, procedures or medicine. Not a good move.

Doctor's CAN mostly practice medicine now. The main culprit getting in the way presently is ACTUALLY the government forcing specific care plans on the patients and ignoring basic care procedures for them as well. The GOVERNMENT enabled the untried vaccines. Now the government is doing everything it can to make sure the vaccines get pushed at all possible levels without regard to science.

So...we should make sure this government is in charge of ALL healthcare?

I'm definitely not going to support that. I'm amazed that's what you think the fix is.

 

[Tiamat]

It hilarious some of you still think the US is the lynchpin upon which the world revolves.

Even if the US screws the pooch and we end up Balkanizing, France and Israel can still preserve Western Democracy and values.

We might be able to save this nation, but if we do not it is not the end of the world or of the West.

Two major problems with that theory. One? The world hates power vacuums. Someone or something is going to fill it. And it’s not going to be Israel or France.

Two? Everyone and everything else gets a vote.

 

[Bacle]

Two major problems with that theory. One? The world hates power vacuums. Someone or something is going to fill it. And it’s not going to be Israel or France.

Two? Everyone and everything else gets a vote.

For issue one, that is less of an issue than you might think.

Without the US to play world police, other nations would have to actually pay for and build thier own defenses, deal with thier own economic shit, and feed themselves.

Also, I think France would love be able to supplant the US as the dominant Western power, and with the EU they have the power to do it.

As for issue two, yes, they get a vote; however unless they want to mount an invasion of CONUS it doesn't mean much, and even a Balkanized US/successor states would likely be able to fend off any serious attempt by a foreign power to invade N. America.

You can all keep acting like the US is Atlas holding the world up, I'm not that naive or blindly nationalist.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

You can all keep acting like the US is Atlas holding the world up, I'm not that naive or blindly nationalist.

I don't think the world comes to an end or freedom disappears b/c the US goes mad.

AS for France...the EU has to survive for it to be able to leverage that power. And, if there's one thing Europe has proven they can do, it's that they can fight each other at the drop of a hat.

 

[Bacle]

I don't think the world comes to an end or freedom disappears b/c the US goes mad.

AS for France...the EU has to survive for it to be able to leverage that power. And, if there's one thing Europe has proven they can do, it's that they can fight each other at the drop of a hat.

The only fighting in Europe that seems likely right now is between Poland and Belarus, or maybe Greece and Turkey.

Western Europe is not going to have another war, because France and Germany have learned to share, finally.

And thanks to Trump, Poland has nuke tech now, even if it's just officially civie reactors for now.

So if Biden and the Dems end up killing this nation and causing Balkanization, the Western world will go on, old players may rebuilt thier influence, and democracy will survive in other nations.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

So if Biden and the Dems end up killing this nation and causing Balkanization, the Western world will go on, old players may rebuilt thier influence, and democracy will survive in other nations.

I hope that's correct if this were to happen.

Though I wonder how much effort the UK would go to in order to try and remain on top of the European pile. So many variables throughout this proposition.

 

[Cherico]

For issue one, that is less of an issue than you might think.

Without the US to play world police, other nations would have to actually pay for and build thier own defenses, deal with thier own economic shit, and feed themselves.

Also, I think France would love be able to supplant the US as the dominant Western power, and with the EU they have the power to do it.

As for issue two, yes, they get a vote; however unless they want to mount an invasion of CONUS it doesn't mean much, and even a Balkanized US/successor states would likely be able to fend off any serious attempt by a foreign power to invade N. America.

You can all keep acting like the US is Atlas holding the world up, I'm not that naive or blindly nationalist.

a US civil war would also be very unlikely to be the end of the united states either.

Keep in mind we had one already and came out of it stronger, Columbia and others have come through decades of civil war and exited them as functional states. France had one of the most bloodsoaked revolutions in its history and then almost conqured europe. Russia had a nightmare revolution and became a super power.

Civil war would suck but it would hardly be a civilizational killing event and when you look at Venusula their economy would actually improve if they had a civil war.

 

[Bacle]

a US civil war would also be very unlikely to be the end of the united states either.

Keep in mind we had one already and came out of it stronger, Columbia and others have come through decades of civil war and exited them as functional states. France had one of the most bloodsoaked revolutions in its history and then almost conqured europe. Russia had a nightmare revolution and became a super power.

Civil war would suck but it would hardly be a civilizational killing event and when you look at Venusula their economy would actually improve if they had a civil war.

Except none of them had/has nukes, and Swallwell was already talking about being willing to use them against people who think AR-15s can bring down the gov.

I think the US will either Balkanize peacefully, or we will end up nuking ourselves into the Stone Age during a 'hot' civil war.

I guess we could end up with an Ireland vs Northern Ireland situation, but again, Ireland doesn't have nukes and the Brits do not want to take over the rest of Ireland anymore.

 

[BlackDragon98]

If USA goes boom, we will send our military and finish what we started in 1812.

 

[Morphic Tide]

Insurance companies and drug companies have the power of life and death over people and have no oversight over them as they bought out government.

They'll have continued to buy out the government throughout the process of setting it up, and the issue is the cooperative oligopolies having quite ridiculous perverse incentives, with the most important of these being specifically because of government regulation.

Drug companies have to deal with the FDA, which means pulling shenanigans to shortcut or having all your stupidly-expensive research and development get years-long delays before being allowed on the market because of third-stage pregnancy trials.

Insurance companies have a profit ratio cap specifically forbidding them to charge more than a certain percentage of the cost they pay. Naturally, many of them look for higher prices to have a larger pie to take their cut from, as this gives them larger profits.

Additionally, medical licensing is insanely bottlenecked due to a fucking quota system, further escalating costs because it is literally illegal to expand a relevant labor supply. The cost is because the regulation in place demands corruption, not because it's bad to have medicine be free market.

We're also the ones funding the vast majority of innovation, which gives even more escalation of costs because we're the ones paying for R&D since all those "lovely" single payer countries don't have to deal with that overhead.

 

[The One Char]

Except none of them had/has nukes, and Swallwell was already talking about being willing to use them against people who think AR-15s can bring down the gov.

I think the US will either Balkanize peacefully, or we will end up nuking ourselves into the Stone Age during a 'hot' civil war.

I guess we could end up with an Ireland vs Northern Ireland situation, but again, Ireland doesn't have nukes and the Brits do not want to take over the rest of Ireland anymore.

Two problems with that.
1. They'd kneecapping themselves by destroying their own infrastructure.
2. And here's the big one. They get flattened by everyone else who has nukes to preserve MAD and prevent a rouge actor from having nukes.

 

[Tiamat]

The only fighting in Europe that seems likely right now is between Poland and Belarus, or maybe Greece and Turkey.

Western Europe is not going to have another war, because France and Germany have learned to share, finally.

And thanks to Trump, Poland has nuke tech now, even if it's just officially civie reactors for now.

So if Biden and the Dems end up killing this nation and causing Balkanization, the Western world will go on, old players may rebuilt thier influence, and democracy will survive in other nations.

You’re making quite a few assumptions, and rather rosy ones at that. Europe’s history says otherwise.