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United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread

VicSage

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Student Debt Thieves have always disgusted me. You knew exactly what you were doing, you knew it was going to take years, and you knew that you had agreed to pay people back for the cost of your education. If you didn't want to pay for it you should have applied for more scholarships, as is you can pay your debts like a God Damned adult.
 

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Student Debt Thieves have always disgusted me. You knew exactly what you were doing, you knew it was going to take years, and you knew that you had agreed to pay people back for the cost of your education. If you didn't want to pay for it you should have applied for more scholarships, as is you can pay your debts like a God Damned adult.

While I don't disagree I do think college is stupidly overpriced and full of pointless filler, For example why does an engineer need to take fine arts classes and other pointless crap of that nature? Basically if you cut out all the bullshit and got to the point you could churn out engineers in about two years rather than four.
 

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While I don't disagree I do think college is stupidly overpriced and full of pointless filler, For example why does an engineer need to take fine arts classes and other pointless crap of that nature? Basically if you cut out all the bullshit and got to the point you could churn out engineers in about two years rather than four.
My thoughts exactly
 

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That's due to them still holding on to the remnants of the concept of a Classical Education, meant to try to make you into a man who Thinks instead of just reacts. Unfortunately universities and students miss the overall point most of the time. If you just wanted to learn a specific subject it should be a tech school like welders.
 

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Student Debt Thieves have always disgusted me. You knew exactly what you were doing, you knew it was going to take years, and you knew that you had agreed to pay people back for the cost of your education. If you didn't want to pay for it you should have applied for more scholarships, as is you can pay your debts like a God Damned adult.

While I don't disagree I do think college is stupidly overpriced and full of pointless filler, For example why does an engineer need to take fine arts classes and other pointless crap of that nature? Basically if you cut out all the bullshit and got to the point you could churn out engineers in about two years rather than four.
You're both correct. I say this as someone who still has like 15 years left on loan payments.

I knew what I was doing. It's my job to pay it off.

I'm okay with the forgiveness programs that already exist. With these in place, the lenders are still making tons of money. They actually aren't even that bad for the loan holders. You can consolidate your loans and then do an income based repayment, and in 20 years the remainder is forgiven.

I went for computer networking, and didn't even take a computer class until my second year. But sociology, psychology, anatomy and physiology, fitness and wellness, "the black experience," "diversity in American society," those classes? Couldn't graduate without them, and they cost me $1000-$4000 each. Fucking bullshit.

I can even see justification for the accounting, economics and math classes. But the earlier stuff? Complete waste of time and money. Propaganda and fluff designed to make money.
 

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Student loans are a money laundering scam.

The colleges raise prices to ridiculous levels, the government gives out loans to pay for college, the students are then on the hook to pay back the stupidly high debt.

The colleges get huge infusions of government money and they donate to specific politicians and pursue specific policies. The specific politicians get huge infusions of what was government money donated to their campaigns or bribes or whatever. And both laugh at the idiot students left holding the bag.

They don't want to fix this. The colleges and politicians make way to much money from it.
 

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Student Debt Thieves have always disgusted me. You knew exactly what you were doing, you knew it was going to take years, and you knew that you had agreed to pay people back for the cost of your education. If you didn't want to pay for it you should have applied for more scholarships, as is you can pay your debts like a God Damned adult.
I didn't know what I was doing. I went in expecting to be able to get a job after I graduated; that never happened. Also, there aren't as many scholarships available as you might think; or at least, there weren't when I went looking. Especially when you're a straight while male; and the ones that were available required significant effort just to be entered into what was essentially a lottery, with a payout of maybe a couple hundred bucks at best. I quickly realized that I could waste my time chasing a pittance that I'd probably never get, or I could pass my classes; I couldn't do both.
 

VicSage

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I went for computer networking, and didn't even take a computer class until my second year. But sociology, psychology, anatomy and physiology, fitness and wellness, "the black experience," "diversity in American society," those classes? Couldn't graduate without them, and they cost me $1000-$4000 each. Fucking bullshit.
Sociology and Psychology at least try to pretend they're of worth. A fitness or physiology class I can buy as being something, lord knows how classical education insisted on physical as well as mental fitness. The propaganda classes can all burn.
 

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Sociology and Psychology at least try to pretend they're of worth. A fitness or physiology class I can buy as being something, lord knows how classical education insisted on physical as well as mental fitness. The propaganda classes can all burn.
Sociology is a class that is easy to sneak in communist bullshit, Most of the people who teach it tend to be the worse sorts that actually believe in that bullshit.
 

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Good Morning Sietch family. Any thoughts on the Biden administration cutting hospital funding in Red States ? 😕
 

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The problem of debt and tuition hikes will increase, until people stop being willing to sign up for them.

Us Millenials were lied to about what college was and what it would do for us. But we still signed up for it, and we need to take responsibility for what we have done as adults.

The Zoomers have no excuse for being ignorant of such things.
 

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The problem of debt and tuition hikes will increase, until people stop being willing to sign up for them.

Us Millenials were lied to about what college was and what it would do for us. But we still signed up for it, and we need to take responsibility for what we have done as adults.

The Zoomers have no excuse for being ignorant of such things.
Most of us stopped caring
 

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That's due to them still holding on to the remnants of the concept of a Classical Education, meant to try to make you into a man who Thinks instead of just reacts.
A classical education is actually a great thing. Unfortunately, the education system, pre-college and college/university haven't really been teaching a true classical education for decades. It's turned into an indoctrination system by the will of the Fed's Education Bureau.

Additionally, federally subsidized loans have allowed the 'institutions of higher learning' to increase their costs without actually increasing quality of their product. Even 'state' funded schools have become exercises in profit.

A smart school that has a solid tech program should start offering a technical degree (BS) with JUST the requirements for said degree and whatever foundational training may be necessary (ie. english for technical writing, history of engineering development, etc...).
 

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Us Millenials were lied to about what college was and what it would do for us. But we still signed up for it, and we need to take responsibility for what we have done as adults.
That's being harsh to the GenXers and Boomers who advised the Millennials.

For Boomers and GenXers, the route they told Millennials to go, High School > College > Career, was a well beaten path that had worked very well for both those generations. For Boomers, who were the parents of most Millennials, this was especially true, and further many Boomers had experienced situations like my father, who had decades of experience in the Satellite Telecom Industry, but was never allowed to become a senior manager or executive despite having the skills and knowledge to do so simply because he lacked a piece of paper saying he had a Bachelor's Degree, something, it should be noted, was not the case when he ENTERED that industry.

This all mean that for many of those people they were giving the best advise based on their prior experience that they could. How could they have known that the combination of easy credit and Pell Grants that exploded in the 1980s (well after Boomers had cycled through colleges) along with the expansion of "X Studies" programs (that again, was a thing that had only begun in the 1980s and 90s) would end up cheapening the value of a college degree while also exploding the cost of one? The majority of people advising the Millennials were not economists or those with experience forecasting markets, but just average folks with experience in their own professional fields that rarely intersected with academia.

If there is anyone to blame, it's the institutions and government for creating the environment, but those who were genuinely trying to help by giving what they thought was sound advise? They weren't lying and should generally be treated with at least a degree of compassion.
 

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That's being harsh to the GenXers and Boomers who advised the Millennials.

For Boomers and GenXers, the route they told Millennials to go, High School > College > Career, was a well beaten path that had worked very well for both those generations. For Boomers, who were the parents of most Millennials, this was especially true, and further many Boomers had experienced situations like my father, who had decades of experience in the Satellite Telecom Industry, but was never allowed to become a senior manager or executive despite having the skills and knowledge to do so simply because he lacked a piece of paper saying he had a Bachelor's Degree, something, it should be noted, was not the case when he ENTERED that industry.

This all mean that for many of those people they were giving the best advise based on their prior experience that they could. How could they have known that the combination of easy credit and Pell Grants that exploded in the 1980s (well after Boomers had cycled through colleges) along with the expansion of "X Studies" programs (that again, was a thing that had only begun in the 1980s and 90s) would end up cheapening the value of a college degree while also exploding the cost of one? The majority of people advising the Millennials were not economists or those with experience forecasting markets, but just average folks with experience in their own professional fields that rarely intersected with academia.

If there is anyone to blame, it's the institutions and government for creating the environment, but those who were genuinely trying to help by giving what they thought was sound advise? They weren't lying and should generally be treated with at least a degree of compassion.
Which is all exactly why history will not be kind to the Boomers, once they are no longer writing history.

We know who sold our futures to the CCP, we know who lied or misled us on so many things because they could not accept a changing world, and we know who are going to be insulated from the worst of the fallout they created.

The Boomers may have tried to give us good advice, but they could not or would not keep pace with the changes in society and tech that rendered much of their advice rather worthless in the long run, and we are the ones who will suffer for it/for listening to them.

Boomers will probably not live to see the worst fruits of their bad advice and child raising decisions, but the Centennials and Millennials will, and we will know who set us on this track, before we could even make our own decisions or even drew our first breath.
 

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While I don't disagree I do think college is stupidly overpriced and full of pointless filler, For example why does an engineer need to take fine arts classes and other pointless crap of that nature? Basically if you cut out all the bullshit and got to the point you could churn out engineers in about two years rather than four.
Sorry, but this is absurd. Removing the general education requirements would not allow for an engineering degree is two years. You need nearly two years just for the various math courses, to say nothing of the actual engineering classes. Engineering degrees have very little padding as it is.

Oh, and a degree does not make one competent. It just means your know enough to be dangerous, not what you're doing. There's a reason real-life experience is a requirement for being a PE.
 
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