mrttao
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*disclaimer: "us" is referring to a tiny tiny vanishing minority of the population that is being bred out of the genepool
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Actually, more and more young people are moving towards conservatism and away from Leftism now than have in a long time.
We wouldn't have the ability to plan long term if not for the brains that cooking food over fire gave us.
Which is part of why the elite Biden represents are trying to cut animal protein and such out of the diet of US citizens; less of the protein needed to keep our brains going, easier it is to raise generations of people with little to no critical thinking skills.
Also, other animals can do 'long term planning' as well; beavers and elephants are two good examples of this, even in animals that don't use 'tools'.
The idea that humanity is 'special' compared to animals because of our 'morality', instead of because of our technology, is part of the brainbug that a lot of Christians have because of the 'Biblical' world view that is at the core of their lives.
mrttao
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conservatism != long term planners
conservatism != suppressing instincts with logic
In fact the key tenants of conservatism are the instinct to protect your family, and the instinctual urge for religion. (the existence of which is why the attempt at teaching atheism results in religious cults like woke cult, communism, etc)
The woke cult incidentally also suppresses some human instincts (protect family, don't be a cuck, compete, have children)... but rather than doing so cerebrally they do so via leveraging other instincts (find faith to believe in & imitate the tribe)
Overall, all sides have long term planners (very rare) and people incapable of doing so (vast majority).
All sides have those who suppress some instincts... although of those who suppress instincts the vast majority do so via pitting other instincts against it rather than pure thought and logic as was purported initially in the post I was replying to.
PS. way to underestimate the other side by thinking you have a monopoly over long term planning.
Disclaimer: I am a conservative. I am just not going to pretend that only our side has thinkers
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mrttao
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Actually I feel I should elaborate on it.
people are turning to conservativism right now because they can simply look and see with their own eyes the end results of the woke cult.
Long term thinking is the ability to predict the end result before it happens.
If people were good at long term thinking, we would never have reached such a dismal state in the first place. As a significant majority of people, correctly predicting the consequences, would have stopped it before things got this bad.
Sure there are always some rare individuals who predict a catastrophe. But:
1. those individuals do not have 100% accuracy rate on their predictions. they predict some things correctly and others incorrectly.
2. they are very rare.
people are turning to conservativism right now because they can simply look and see with their own eyes the end results of the woke cult.
Long term thinking is the ability to predict the end result before it happens.
If people were good at long term thinking, we would never have reached such a dismal state in the first place. As a significant majority of people, correctly predicting the consequences, would have stopped it before things got this bad.
Sure there are always some rare individuals who predict a catastrophe. But:
1. those individuals do not have 100% accuracy rate on their predictions. they predict some things correctly and others incorrectly.
2. they are very rare.
you judge a thing by the fruits they bring and we have had a grim harvest.
rather dudes who slaughtered real aristocracy - but yes.Real gentry usually cared about their serfs.
Indeed.Chimps could go to war,but they would never plan war few years ahead.And,what is more important,they rarely teach what they learned to new generation,at least males.
Human fathers could teach their sons how to live,chimps at best do not care about them.
mrttao
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The word "villain" aka "evil guy in a story" literally means "villager". they literally said filthy peasant == evil. And serfs were literally slaves.
The aristocrats had an interest in not ruining their slaves, but their lives were spent without a care to them as people.
Also it was the peasant revolts that killed the aristocracies. The modern western aristocrats are not descendant from freedom fighters, or fighters at all.
Also, the slaughter of the old aristocrats happened many generations ago, the current crop had nothing to do with that.
Plus, slaughter the old to become the new is a tradition for aristocracies. Having killed the old aristocrats does not prevent you from becoming one yourself.
there will always be hirarchy, there will always be an ologarchy of some sort.
As long as they are not stupid and evil then their not a problem for what ever system they exist in. If they have a sense of duty, honor and are capable they can even be a massive boon. But if your aristocracy your elite is stupid and evil then you have a problem no mater what system of government you have.
mrttao
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Yes, basically.
Currently we have a crop of degenerate aristocrats trying their best to ruin humanity.
I wouldn't call them elite though, because of how pathetic they are
KilroywasNOTHere
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soo what will this mean in the longterm?
Blasterbot
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so 5% of monthly income at 125k means 520.33 a month. if you fail at getting your 6 figure job right out of college that will be worse. presuming that they are not completely retarded and they try and keep it at 500 a month on the ratio of how much you earn if you have college debt and you are earning I doubt too many will complain about the siphoning of funds from the tax base to the upper middle and upper class.
Bear Ribs
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Honestly... no telling. The details won't be forthcoming until this afternoon.
However, we can probably expect a few things.
College Tuition is going to suddenly go up. I'll point to my own post here:
If the Government offers X dollars as an incentive, rebate, or subsidy for [Product] there's a near 100% chance the companies producing [Product] will immediately raise the price by X dollars and keep the entire inventive for themselves. The only time this doesn't happen is when the product is spread around a vast number of companies that actually compete instead of being an oligopoly or cartel like nearly all businesses do, but the government generally only spends money on the oligopolies because when an industry has scads of small businesses in it, it doesn't throw big wads of money at politicians. As colleges are in the Cartel/Oligopoly class, they will raise prices.
This is going to wipe out all deficit cuts and savings for the next decade or so and make the existing deficit worse. This is pretty inevitable. Obviously throwing this much money into the system is going to jack up inflation anymore. In general expect this to stomp on the economy pretty hard.
There's going to be a lot of hard feelings on the part of working-class people who scrimped and saved every penny to get their kids through college without debt. This bit of video is currently trending:
However, those people won't have loud enough voices and will be silenced by the media so don't expect it to go anywhere much in the public consciousness.
Overall, this looks very much like a poison pill to me. It's going to be brutal on the economy and the entire education system in a year or two... right after the expected mid-term red wave and possible reclamation of the white house. Either the Republicans will repeal this, in which case they'll hand numerous talking points to the Democrats, or the economy crashes and burns even harder than it is now and that will be blamed on the Republicans who, after all, will be in office then so it's their fault, obviously.
KilroywasNOTHere
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Honestly, I'm having less and less sympathy for the education system and those that play (and pay) into it. (One of the worst mistakes I ever made was going to university) but I am worried about the overall economy. We all know the government doesn't make money; it takes money.
Besides, unfortunately the colleges were paid upfront sooo.... where is this money being taken from?
Besides, unfortunately the colleges were paid upfront sooo.... where is this money being taken from?
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This is not a surprise, and if the Right was not up it's own ass about the farce of 'fiscal conservatism', they'd see that this is something they could also get onboard with and make a non-partisan issue to defang the Dems gloating about it.
Because the fact is the education cartels who are in charge of the modern American academia are not the friends of the Right, and neither are the loan issuers, and doing things to hurt the bottom line of both is in the Right's best interest in the long run.
As well, many students are forced to pay for and take worthless electives to keep worthless depts afloat and create 'well rounded people', despite going to college or university to work towards a job. The student loan forgiveness is only going to be 10k for most people, which might wipe out a couple of semesters of debt, but it's not going to make most people's student debt disappear.
If the Right approached this issue as paying back students for worthless classes elective classes they were forced to take, instead of through the farce of 'fiscal conservatism' and 'fuck them, I didn't get loan forgiveness' attitudes, it might help make the Right start to get with the times.
Plus, the economy and educational paradigm many student loans were made under is dead and won't be coming back, through no fault of the students.
Frankly what we should do is take the student debt relief money out of CDC/NIH/Fauci's retirement, given they are the ones who fucked us all and made the student loan pause necessary.
Because the fact is the education cartels who are in charge of the modern American academia are not the friends of the Right, and neither are the loan issuers, and doing things to hurt the bottom line of both is in the Right's best interest in the long run.
As well, many students are forced to pay for and take worthless electives to keep worthless depts afloat and create 'well rounded people', despite going to college or university to work towards a job. The student loan forgiveness is only going to be 10k for most people, which might wipe out a couple of semesters of debt, but it's not going to make most people's student debt disappear.
If the Right approached this issue as paying back students for worthless classes elective classes they were forced to take, instead of through the farce of 'fiscal conservatism' and 'fuck them, I didn't get loan forgiveness' attitudes, it might help make the Right start to get with the times.
Plus, the economy and educational paradigm many student loans were made under is dead and won't be coming back, through no fault of the students.
Frankly what we should do is take the student debt relief money out of CDC/NIH/Fauci's retirement, given they are the ones who fucked us all and made the student loan pause necessary.
Blasterbot
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at this point all I expect out of the education system is a bubble that will pop soon. much like several others in our economy.
prinCZess
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The government.
You are talking, in both of those cases, about the government. And specifically the left-aligned academia and managerial class running the bureaucratic arms of the government most visibly in this instance through the Department of Education. This doesn't hurt a 'bottom line' because the bottom line is THE UNITED STATES.
It hurts us, collectively. For the benefit of predominantly already-wealthy individuals at the cost of everyone.
This shit's 'golden parachute' bailouts all over again...Except it's not private CEOs being bought-out by govenrment loans because the companies are too big to fail but the victims of public education being bought-off to vote for the right people (see above).
If you want to coopt the issue? Sure. Easy way to do it. As floated by some, use University endowments as compensation for the forgiveness. Blanket forgiveness like this is a shit way of doing it and does nothing to actually upset the structure (that structure is beneficial to the party/ideology currently in power, after all). Besides also being, y'know, stealing from everyone who didn't take college loans or who paid theirs back.
KilroywasNOTHere
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and this is the problem. Like I said in my previous post, the colleges are already paid before you even go to school, so it's not like the government is telling the colleges "Take your worthless classes and shove, we aren't paying for this crap." So this money has to be coming from somewhere, most likely taxes, or straight up printed.
And how will this hurt them, exactly? The college already already got paid, the students don't owe them any money, and the loans were issued by the federal government. Writing this off does nothing to them.
Actually taking action to fight the grossly inflated prices colleges charge, that would actually hurt them, but that has no impact on the debt "crisis".
No one forced them to take out these loans or to go to college, nor to take on a debt burden they couldn't afford.
Which, by the way, they can totally afford. A college degree still translates to nearly twice the income of someone with just a HS degree. This people whining about being "mired in debt" are complaining that because they got a degree that gives them far more income, they have a slightly smaller but still huge paycheck thanks to their debt.
Selectively giving out money to people that either willingly took out loans they can't afford or are just inconvenienced by the extra cost right now but will eventually pay them off and earn tons more money on top of that, by taking money from the people who made different choices is fundamentally unjust.
I paid my own way through college and avoided debt, and am actually going back to trade school now because my career plan from college has not worked, paying my own way at significant cost. Not an unaffordable cost, but significant. Why should some guy who's just wrapped up his CPA degree get chunks of his debit forgiven (read: paid for by me and my taxes) while he starts climbing the ladder toward a six figure job that will let him easily repay that, while I max out at like 90k. How is that fair?
No it isn't.