China ChiCom News Thread

[Morphic Tide]

We will defend Taiwan.
That is one of the most certain things I know

Yeah, the political calculus there is "burn every last shred of soft power in Asia for ultimately non-critical economic kickbacks and see the US viciously booted from World Police standing" versus "uphold long-standing treaties that are a remarkably mild investment because we have quite near literally the entire rest of Asia lining up to be the boots on the ground".

This is the sort of bombshell that starts seeing the assassins dusted off, because the pain of a US regime change invasion is lesser than the regional strongmen being allowed to run free. We can see the Uighurs, a Communist Bandit takeover is very definitely worse than seeing the United States decide on regime change.

 

[Terthna]

um no.

China doesn't actually have time.

Their demographic situation is completely and utterly fucked and is by now irreversable for the forseeable future. Their water situation is also fucked and will hurt them bad soon, then you get into the fact that their housing is sub prime on steroids, the enormous amount of debt owned by their companies, the shadow banking issues.

Yes america has weaknesss's and we fuck up a lot but china has their own much worse problems all due to hit at the same time.

Don't forget the fact that they've ruined the vast majority of their good farm land with shortsighted public works projects and the unrestricted dumping of pollutants. It's only due to the combined importing of massive amounts of food and fertilizer that the country is still able to feed itself.

 

[LordsFire]

Don't forget the fact that they've ruined the vast majority of their good farm land with shortsighted public works projects and the unrestricted dumping of pollutants. It's only due to the combined importing of massive amounts of food and fertilizer that the country is still able to feed itself.

For all this, they are still dangerous.

I absolutely agree that they're fragile, but do not in awareness of their manifold and profound weaknesses, forget that they can cause other people a hell of a lot of problems before they implode.

 

[Zachowon]

Yeah, the political calculus there is "burn every last shred of soft power in Asia for ultimately non-critical economic kickbacks and see the US viciously booted from World Police standing" versus "uphold long-standing treaties that are a remarkably mild investment because we have quite near literally the entire rest of Asia lining up to be the boots on the ground".

This is the sort of bombshell that starts seeing the assassins dusted off, because the pain of a US regime change invasion is lesser than the regional strongmen being allowed to run free. We can see the Uighurs, a Communist Bandit takeover is very definitely worse than seeing the United States decide on regime change.

Hell, there was an article (by the AP I know I kno) that talked about how the Bidem admin sent multiple delegates, 2 past 1 current, over there to talk.
And we sold them more missles, and still have to fill a order for tanks

 

[BlackDragon98]

We will defend Taiwan.
That is one of the most certain things I know

China has a glaring weak spot in the form of the 3 Gorges Dam.

If that thing gets busted Dambuster style, then the richest, most prosperous, and most populated part of China will be utterly destroyed in an instant.

That's why they won't go to war.

Because if push comes to shove, USA doesn't even need to pull out the nukes.

A simple dambuster mission is all that's needed.

 

[Zachowon]

China has a glaring weak spot in the form of the 3 Gorges Dam.

If that thing gets busted Dambuster style, then the richest, most prosperous, and most populated part of China will be utterly destroyed in an instant.

That's why they won't go to war.

Because if push comes to shove, USA doesn't even need to pull out the nukes.

A simple dambuster mission is all that's needed.

It only takes a single team.

Look, if the US gets invovled in a total conventional war? We won't lose

 

[Terthna]

For all this, they are still dangerous.

I absolutely agree that they're fragile, but do not in awareness of their manifold and profound weaknesses, forget that they can cause other people a hell of a lot of problems before they implode.

The thing I'm most worried about is the Chinese government launching all of their nukes in a last, desperate attempt to take everyone else down with them before they're overthrown in a violent coup.

 

[Zachowon]

The thing I'm most worried about is the Chinese government launching all of their nukes in a last, desperate attempt to take everyone else down with them before they're overthrown in a violent coup.

Iirc they still have barley have more then France

 

[gral]

it's common practice in mainland China for unscrupulous real estate developers to skim off as much profit as possible by cutting corners.

It's dumb practice. When cutting corners, the biggest savings are found in skimping on finishing. That's what builders on Brazil do; skimp on the finishing, and when it starts to fall apart, 4-5 years after selling, you're ok. Skimping on structural materials invites legal action when the buildings fall down(this might be different in China, of course).

 

[Bacle]

It only takes a single team.

Look, if the US gets invovled in a total conventional war? We won't lose

The thing I'm most worried about is the Chinese government launching all of their nukes in a last, desperate attempt to take everyone else down with them before they're overthrown in a violent coup.

Iirc they still have barley have more then France

They may not have more than France now, but they are ramping up warhead production, based on news reports I've seen on Twitter the last year or so.

As well, you damn well know that the war won't stay 'conventional' if it's anything more than skirmishing in the Taiwan Straight and SCS.

The second anything on mainland China is hit by us or our allies, they will hit back and likely with something like a 'deescalatory nuke strike' on our frontline forces, similar to the Russian doctrine. And I highly doubt that such a strike would not result in the US lobbing a few nukes at Chinese targets. From there it's an easy spiral towards total nuclear war, with the only question being if Russia decides they want in on the fun and tries to make a push for Eastern Europe or just settles for saving their nukes till they see who the 'winner' will be between the US and China.

 

[Cherico]

They may not have more than France now, but they are ramping up warhead production, based on news reports I've seen on Twitter the last year or so.

As well, you damn well know that the war won't stay 'conventional' if it's anything more than skirmishing in the Taiwan Straight and SCS.

The second anything on mainland China is hit by us or our allies, they will hit back and likely with something like a 'deescalatory nuke strike' on our frontline forces, similar to the Russian doctrine. And I highly doubt that such a strike would not result in the US lobbing a few nukes at Chinese targets. From there it's an easy spiral towards total nuclear war, with the only question being if Russia decides they want in on the fun and tries to make a push for Eastern Europe or just settles for saving their nukes till they see who the 'winner' will be between the US and China.

well then we better hope that the last 80 years of working on anti missle tech is good enough.

 

[Bacle]

well then we better hope that the last 80 years of working on anti missle tech is good enough.

Good enough for what, is the question?

Good enough to blunt an attack and protect critical bits from being knocked out in the first wave of warheads; maybe?

Good enough to prevent mass civie casualties and economic ruin (in the best case scenario); I doubt it.

 

[Cherico]

Good enough for what, is the question?

Good enough to blunt an attack and protect critical bits from being knocked out in the first wave of warheads; maybe?

Good enough to prevent mass civie casualties and economic ruin (in the best case scenario); I doubt it.

If china's gone crazy enough to use nukes then the goal is national survival.

If their crazy enough to use nukes that also means the end of china because we have far far more then they do.

 

[Bacle]

If china's gone crazy enough to use nukes then the goal is national survival.

If their crazy enough to use nukes that also means the end of china because we have far far more then they do.

And then what happens when Russia sees our depleted nuke arsenal (in the best case of dealing with China), and decides to risk making a push for the Baltics, because they already have more nukes than us and now would have many more than us?

I see little way a conventional war with China doesn't end up going nuclear as one side or the other gets desperate for results/victory. And once we've engaged with China, Russia won't hesitate to move on Eastern Europe, and possibly even assist China in the Pacific.

The only way we 'win' a war with China, without leaving ourselves open to other actors making their own moves, is an overwhelming first strike against the nuclear forces of them and their allies (NK, Pakistan, and Iran).

There is no will for that in the US right now, and frankly I doubt there would be even if the CCP pulled off a Pearl Harbor 2.0; too many businesses and elites have too much to lose by letting us go to war with China, no matter what aggression they undertake.

We have people apologizing for calling Taiwan a country, and the CCP owns POTUS and much of the Dems; why in the world would I still have any confidence that the elite of this nation would allow our military to do anything against the Chinese unless they hit us first, which they aren't stupid enough to do.

People keep banking on our military, and on the CCP collapsing from demographic/economic issues, instead of taking a sober and somber look at the realities we are currently facing domestically and internationally.

 

[LordsFire]

People keep banking on our military, and on the CCP collapsing from demographic/economic issues, instead of taking a sober and somber look at the realities we are currently facing domestically and internationally.

This is nonsense.

The US has a host of problems, culturally, financially, and militarily.

To understand that China faces problems that are even worse is not failing to 'take a sober and somber look at the realities.'

If China goes nuclear, it loses. They can make the US partially lose too, but they would lose harder. Whether they're crazy enough to try that, remains to be seen.

If Russia takes the opportunity to move on Eastern Europe, well, I guess it's time for Europe's wake-up call, but so long as the ruskies don't go nuclear, they won't face nuclear retaliation. The war will be rough, but it won't be an existential threat.

I find it highly unlikely the Russians would go nuclear after watching Beijing and other major Chinese cities cease to exist, and its entire military get destroyed/collapse. They're too pragmatic for that.


In the end, just like with the Vietnam war, the enemy has no ability to defeat us militarily. Hoping that they can work with our own treasonous media and parts of the political establishment to get us to lose by default is a very real threat, but that's a fight far from over.

 

[Cherico]

This is nonsense.

The US has a host of problems, culturally, financially, and militarily.

To understand that China faces problems that are even worse is not failing to 'take a sober and somber look at the realities.'

If China goes nuclear, it loses. They can make the US partially lose too, but they would lose harder. Whether they're crazy enough to try that, remains to be seen.

If Russia takes the opportunity to move on Eastern Europe, well, I guess it's time for Europe's wake-up call, but so long as the ruskies don't go nuclear, they won't face nuclear retaliation. The war will be rough, but it won't be an existential threat.

I find it highly unlikely the Russians would go nuclear after watching Beijing and other major Chinese cities cease to exist, and its entire military get destroyed/collapse. They're too pragmatic for that.


In the end, just like with the Vietnam war, the enemy has no ability to defeat us militarily. Hoping that they can work with our own treasonous media and parts of the political establishment to get us to lose by default is a very real threat, but that's a fight far from over.

one of the worst things about our media is that we made them rich famous and successful and they are grateful for none of it.

 

[Captain X]

Pretty sure China is crazy enough to throw nukes just out of spite.

 

[ATP]

Pretty sure China is crazy enough to throw nukes just out of spite.

No,no even Putin is that mad.China is plaing suicidal to made other countries do what they want,but china commies would never go to war which could kill them.They are not Mao - he would certainly go for that.

 

[Zachowon]

Taiwan says the ChiComs are preparing for war. More so then normal.
They also are saying that the relation between US and Taiwan are higher

 

[Husky_Khan]

Tigers kill two zookeepers in separate attacks in China

Two Chinese zookeepers were killed this week after gettin attacked by tigers in separate incidents.

nypost.com

The latest victims in the 'Anti-Pests' Counter-Revolution.