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You are correct. And indeed, selective enforcement is not what we are going to do. We have fairly consistently applied the distinction between acceptable and unacceptable uses of problematic language.
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You are correct. And indeed, selective enforcement is not what we are going to do. We have fairly consistently applied the distinction between acceptable and unacceptable uses of problematic language.
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It's still just question marks.
Context matters.
Someone saying, "Nigger, wha'?" in response to a post where they're baffled? Although I understand why some of the more hypersensitive people would take offence, I don't see racist connotations in that (hilariously enough if it's a black user saying that to another black user... yeah) because it's more a cultural meme at this point.
Now, if I were to say, and mean, something like "Oh fuck you, you nigger" and it was clear I were using a slur to insult someone? Yeah, that's different.
Then there's where friends/family can casually insult one another, and each know that there's no offence intended behind it. Hell, for example, several of my girl friends call each other "silly/dumb cow" on occasion when one does something stupid -- Hell, I greet my dad with, "You alright, you old git?" -- I get called a wanker or something in return, lol.
While I find the word (nigger) personally distasteful, if they use it in jest between each other? Yeah, same deal. Hell, if some of our black members called me a "cracker" or a "tea-drinking asshole" in jest, and I knew they were kidding, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest, nor should it.
Someone saying, "Nigger, wha'?" in response to a post where they're baffled? Although I understand why some of the more hypersensitive people would take offence, I don't see racist connotations in that (hilariously enough if it's a black user saying that to another black user... yeah) because it's more a cultural meme at this point.
Now, if I were to say, and mean, something like "Oh fuck you, you nigger" and it was clear I were using a slur to insult someone? Yeah, that's different.
Then there's where friends/family can casually insult one another, and each know that there's no offence intended behind it. Hell, for example, several of my girl friends call each other "silly/dumb cow" on occasion when one does something stupid -- Hell, I greet my dad with, "You alright, you old git?" -- I get called a wanker or something in return, lol.
While I find the word (nigger) personally distasteful, if they use it in jest between each other? Yeah, same deal. Hell, if some of our black members called me a "cracker" or a "tea-drinking asshole" in jest, and I knew they were kidding, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest, nor should it.
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We have elected to not hit people for slurs in a clearly humorous context before. I will see if we can hammer out a guide, but in general people should be able to understand this from how normal social interaction occurs, as you describe.
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Using your wit to take someone to pieces is not a violation. Your wit.
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There was a preexisting discussion. I looked for evidence to validate the assertions that were being made.
Urabrask's post was a big part of that evidence.
They have always been able to edit posts. They have had to in the past by request of users before.. Not defending them or anything and letting you know
This si what I had been looking for as an Asnwer the whole time! Will there be a look at if something is a Joke or not. That is what I was hoping for
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Neither of those are slurs.
It does attack the group, specifically every member of the group that reads it.
For example, if I read "f*ggot CCPers", that poster is saying a bunch of genocidal assholes are bad because they share a quality with me. And that's not why they are bad (LGBT is pretty in the closet in China), it's because they are genocidal assholes. So when you say this, it registers with me, and I know you aren't someone I want to hang out with because from the way you speak, you have no respect for me.
It also really hits civility, which is the point of this thread.
No, hate speech, like most things, depends on context. For example, if I get called an oldfag on 4chan, I take that as a complement, because that's how its intended. But if hear faggot out of someone on a right wing forum, I instantly go, "Oh, they probably don't like gays, including me." Because I've heard it in public before, and know it can be an easy hint to get out of that place. Maybe I don't get beaten up there, but maybe I do, and the judgments that go into that are very context sensitive.
Now in your case with Afro-Carribean people, you know that these people don't mean you any harm at all, so you don't care. I'd do a similar thing in such a case with F*ggot. But in a different context, being called a slur could quite easily be a hint to get out of the place.
And then once we are on the internet, most of that context dies away, so all the stuff excusing it generally ends, with some exceptions (see 4chan and -fag).
What's up with that, actually? I saw he's temp banned, but I didn't see any recent post with a warning on it? And he was doing quite fine recently, I thought.
He started advocating for killing cops who enforce covid restrictions, IIRC.
Reklos
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He got infracted for this. Basically advocated for violence against British LEO’s.
*sighs* For the life of it I cant fathom why he thought writing that was a good idea. Now, I am more than unhappy with how police across country boundaries seems to have become prone to go after easy targets - that is, the ordinary, usually law-abiding citizen for minor offenses - while giving a wide berth to actual troublemakers, but this is not something to be blamed on your average beat cop, but on the politicized structures above them. Advocating for killing cops for enforcing rules, even if they are tone-deaf? Advocating for the death of cops in general? Not the route to take.
If you're just going "this word or phrase is a slur in rando-country", that shouldn't be a problem.
People addressing whole populations (outside of a written fictional work where such use makes sense) or other users with those slurs, that's a problem.
Xilizhra
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Also extremely ironic, given everything about the Floyd affair and the repercussions thereof.
MrBirthday
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ShieldWife
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Keep in mind that in the UK cops aid and abet child sex trafficking, looking the other way while little girls are groomed, raped, and abused while at the same time intimidating concerned citizens into silence or even arresting them for supposed “hate speech” if they try to shine light onthis issue.
Anybody heard of Rotherham?
We’re at the point, I’d say, that opposing fighting back against the police is an extreme hateful position, not the reverse.
Though, expressing extreme positions isn’t the same as incivility is it? In the modern UK, the moderate civil position is that it should be legal for Muslim immigrants to rape little girls. The extreme, hateful, Nazi position is that it should be illegal and severely punished.
It may seem like I am pulling Rotherham’s groom gang scandal out of nowhere but I think it directly ties into this topic. People would say that banning or at least shunning “hate speech” is just common decency and does no harm. Well, it does do harm, it protects child rapists in Britain, and that is just one town in one country. Sometimes the truth offends people, some people find good ideas to be hateful, and when ideas are silenced (with force or not) then we blind ourselves and others to real problems.
So, is it better not to insult or offend people? Sure. Don’t offend people any more than you need to, though sometimes you need to when you tell the truth. Some people are worse than others and pointing that out can seem quite offensive, yet it is still true.
So, I’d error on the side of encouraging thick skin. Maybe someone is an asshole to you, get over it, move on. Console yourself in the knowledge that either their insults are baseless, in which case it shouldn’t trouble you in the slightest, or they are saying something true that offends you in which case maybe you should listen even if it makes you uncomfortable.
Anybody heard of Rotherham?
We’re at the point, I’d say, that opposing fighting back against the police is an extreme hateful position, not the reverse.
Though, expressing extreme positions isn’t the same as incivility is it? In the modern UK, the moderate civil position is that it should be legal for Muslim immigrants to rape little girls. The extreme, hateful, Nazi position is that it should be illegal and severely punished.
It may seem like I am pulling Rotherham’s groom gang scandal out of nowhere but I think it directly ties into this topic. People would say that banning or at least shunning “hate speech” is just common decency and does no harm. Well, it does do harm, it protects child rapists in Britain, and that is just one town in one country. Sometimes the truth offends people, some people find good ideas to be hateful, and when ideas are silenced (with force or not) then we blind ourselves and others to real problems.
So, is it better not to insult or offend people? Sure. Don’t offend people any more than you need to, though sometimes you need to when you tell the truth. Some people are worse than others and pointing that out can seem quite offensive, yet it is still true.
So, I’d error on the side of encouraging thick skin. Maybe someone is an asshole to you, get over it, move on. Console yourself in the knowledge that either their insults are baseless, in which case it shouldn’t trouble you in the slightest, or they are saying something true that offends you in which case maybe you should listen even if it makes you uncomfortable.
Fleiur
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True. I will never get the racism thing.
And regarding slurs and/or insults, when you speak more than one language or English is not your first language, it is kinda hard to sink in or be affected by an insult at times written in English compared to if it's written in your language.
Guncannon
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I'm guessing most of the concerning stuff the moderators are talking about is in the politics section, because honestly this does seem out of nowhere. But this doesn't seem like this really affects the fic portion of the forum, so I have no strong opinion.
To people who are throwing a shitfest over staff saying "okay we messed up and need to apply the rules", go make your own forum. This place might welcome pretty much everybody, but if you can't go out of the way to avoid being an unnecessary asshole/can't read social situations, then I guess you're SOL.
To people who are throwing a shitfest over staff saying "okay we messed up and need to apply the rules", go make your own forum. This place might welcome pretty much everybody, but if you can't go out of the way to avoid being an unnecessary asshole/can't read social situations, then I guess you're SOL.
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