United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

[DarthOne]

There goes Lincoln's statue and now arrests of Jewish leaders.

God we really are reliving the Roaring 20’s. All we need now is the Freikorps and a dude with a funny moustache to show up....

 

[CarlManvers2019]

God we really are reliving the Roaring 20’s. All we need now is the Freikorps and a dude with a funny moustache to show up....

Hitler was a prototype of the worthless Liberal Arts Students, only thing is Hitler was rejected from Art School, but like them he was a fan of that loser and bigoted anti-semite Karl Marx who wrote the Jewish Question

 

[ShadowArxxy]

An armed security guard is better armed with those sticks. They hurt but don't kill but these days just a bit of a beating is seen as uncouth.

In Oregon, a security guard with a baton is actually considered unarmed. You're allowed to have impact weapons and/or pepper spray as an unarmed, subject to whatever restrictions your employer and the client select for the contract; armed security is defined as armed with lethal force options. This is a generally consistent rule between states, with the exception that some states consider tasers to be armed, and some do not.

As far as use of force, Oregon law says that security is permitted to use reasonable force to enforce private property rights, however lethal force may not be used solely in the protection of property rights. In practical terms, this means that security (whether armed or unarmed) may at their judgement initiate the use of force against a non-compliant subject, however armed security may only deploy their firearm to defend themselves or others -- they cannot threaten or use lethal force solely to force compliance. Or in other words, a private security guard in Oregon can go "hands on" and physically engage a subject who is nonviolent yet adamantly non-compliant; however, you have to be able to justify your escalation of force, and the maximum level of force you can *ever* initiate proactively is baton or taser. If a subject pulls a weapon, then an armed guard can deploy their firearm; unlike the police, they cannot under any circumstances deploy firearm solely because of resistance.

In my opinion, this is a reasonable balance.

 

[Zachowon]

In Oregon, a security guard with a baton is actually considered unarmed. You're allowed to have impact weapons and/or pepper spray as an unarmed, subject to whatever restrictions your employer and the client select for the contract; armed security is defined as armed with lethal force options.

(This is a consistent rule between states, with the exception that some states consider tasers to be armed, and some do not.)

and if you are in GA to a certain DA a Taser is a lethal weapon

 

[ShadowArxxy]

and if you are in GA to a certain DA a Taser is a lethal weapon

I think it's a legitimately debatable point. I would certainly not deploy a taser lightly if I was carrying one, and given the medical risks it has been demonstrated to have, I would not approve of using a taser as a pain compliance tool. I agree with Oregon DPSST's classification of the taser as being one step below a firearm in terms of force, and I strongly disagree with the jurisdictions which consider the taser to fall between soft-impact and hard-impact level of force (which generally correlates with said use of a taser as pain compliance).

I *have* personally witnessed PPB pull a taser proactively. That was against a subject who was not just noncompliant, but was actively threatening violence, saying he *wanted* a fight, and was starting to stand up with the clear intention of coming at myself and the police officer who was backing me up. Because the subject was expressing that intention but did not have a weapon, the officer chose to deploy his taser instead of his firearm, drawing it and warning the subject that he was going to get tased if he didn't freeze RIGHT THERE. I think that was a completely appropriate use of the tool, and if I was carrying a taser, I would have done the exact same thing.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Charges are coming.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Here's the public announcement for the federal indictment discussed in the above video:

Portland Resident Accused of Civil Disorder - 10/09/20

PORTLAND, Ore.—U.S. Attorney Billy J. Williams announced today that a Portland Oregon, resident has been charged with Civil Disorder after he attempted to punch a Portland Police officer in the face during an unlawful assembly on August 4, 2020.

A federal grand jury in Portland has returned a 1-count indictment charging Travis Austin Hessel, 27, with Civil Disorder.

According to court documents, in the early morning hours of August 4, 2020, an unlawful assembly was declared near the Penumbra Kelly Public Safety Building, located at 4735 E. Burnside Street in Portland, after individuals in a crowd of protestors shined powerful lasers at officers’ eyes, threw water bottles, beer and soda cans, marbles, and other hard objects at police officers. The crowd also blocked vehicular traffic on the street requiring a fire engine to divert around the protestors in order to respond to a structure fire.

When officers attempted to disburse the protestors, a smaller group of protestors braced themselves in an effort to resist being moved. A physical melee ensued, during which Hessel threw a punch at a female officer. When the officer grabbed him in order to place him under arrest, Hessel attempted to flee and dragged the officer a short distance before she lost her grip. Two other officers were able to detain Hessel and placed him under arrest.

Hessel was arraigned on the Indictment in federal court today before a U.S. Magistrate Judge Stacie F. Beckerman. Hessel pleaded not guilty, and ordered released pending a 2-day jury trial scheduled to begin on December 8, 2020.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation investigated this case. It is being prosecuted by the United States Attorney’s Office for the District of Oregon.

An indictment is only an accusation of a crime, and a defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.

And here is the official court document (via FlashNet as well). Text is identical to the above.

 

[DarthOne]

More good news!

 

[Cherico]

More good news!

that was a smart decision.

Losing the case could open up the state for a pontential lawsuit because of bias sure it would most likely fail but it would still be possible. Winning the case creates a maytre and you lose on apeal.

 

[GoldRanger]

More good news!

Yessssss justice!!!

Wisconsin next!

 

[Rocinante]

Yessssss justice!!!

Wisconsin next!

He's still facing 2 charges of homicide and one of attempted homicide and some gun charges in Wisconsin.

But charges are being brought against the first guy who shot a gun before he took his first shots, which may help to bolster his self defense case.

I could have sworn I posted links to that but I don't see it here, maybe I accidentally posted it in another thread

Edit: I did post it over in the Kenosha shooter thread, which is where I thought I was here

 

[DarthOne]

He's still facing 2 charges of homicide and one of attempted homicide and some gun charges in Wisconsin.

But charges are being brought against the first guy who shot a gun before he took his first shots, which may help to bolster his self defense case.

I could have sworn I posted links to that but I don't see it here, maybe I accidentally posted it in another thread

Edit: I did post it over in the Kenosha shooter thread, which is where I thought I was here

Hey, at least it's a start.

 

[bullethead]

Here's a report on the Minnesota riots:
https://www.mnsenaterepublicans.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Review-of-Lawlessness-and-Government-Responses-to-Minnesotas-2020-Riots.pdf

TL;DR via ARFCOM:

Senate Report Reveals Painful New Details about Minneapolis Riots

A new 61-page Senate report based on detailed testimony from public officials and law enforcement leaders reveals stunning new details about the Minneapolis riots.

Destruction and rioting were so intense that the only event Adjutant General Jon Jensen of the Minnesota National Guard could compare it to was his time in Iraq.

The riots and resulting damage caused to Minnesota was the second-most destructive period of local unrest in United States history, following the 1992 Los Angeles riots.

Over $500 million in property damage occurred during the riots.

City officials expect it to take at least 10 years to rebuild.

Prior to the fall of the Third Precinct, the last time a police precinct was surrendered was in 1863.

Minneapolis firefighters quit responding to arsons and only responded to medical emergencies because they were being attacked.

Approximately two dozen Minneapolis Police Officers and several firefighters were injured in the rioting.

Officers at the Third Precinct were so afraid for their lives that they had messages passed along to their families, thinking they would never see loved ones again. They believed their department left them to die.

Rioters threw skinned pig heads, bottles filled with cement, commercial grade fireworks, Molotov cocktails, and fired mortar rounds at officers.

Other cities offered aid, but the City of Minneapolis never accepted their assistance.

Governor Walz's administration was not fully using the Minnesota State Patrol or the Minnesota National Guard's aviation support which would have allowed them to know the rioters' positions.

The City of Minneapolis consistently requested more Minnesota National Guard troops than Governor Walz deployed.

Governor Walz allowed his adult daughter to access confidential information about the deployment of the Minnesota National Guard that she then disseminated to rioters.

Over 18 hours after receiving the verbal request and over 15 hours after receiving the written request, Governor Walz still had not decided if he wanted to mobilize the Minnesota National Guard.

Governor Walz and his administration chose to only arrest and prosecute 2% of those caught rioting.

The report also reveals that almost all of the violence and chaos could have been avoided if Gov. Walz had taken the threat seriously, allowed law enforcement to do their jobs, and decisively activated the Minnesota National Guard when Mayor Frey asked for help

I foresee some lawsuits against the governor in the future.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Here's a report on the Minnesota riots:
https://www.mnsenaterepublicans.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Review-of-Lawlessness-and-Government-Responses-to-Minnesotas-2020-Riots.pdf

TL;DR via ARFCOM:


I foresee some lawsuits against the governor in the future.

That asshole deserves a life sentence.

 

[Knowledgeispower]

That asshole deserves a life sentence.

Preferably in a maximum security cell so he doesn't get any luxuries

 

[Typhonis]

I wonder what the daughter is going to plead when her ass is arrested for what she did?

 

[DarthOne]

I wonder what the daughter is going to plead when her ass is arrested for what she did?

Assuming she is arrested at all...

I wish I could stay positive about this; while things are looking up, some of these people have gotten away with so much at this point I sort of doubt they'll be taken to task now. Of course, if I'm wrong about that, at least I'll be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Rocinante]

Assuming she is arrested at all...

I wish I could stay positive about this; while things are looking up, some of these people have gotten away with so much at this point I sort of doubt they'll be taken to task now. Of course, if I'm wrong about that, at least I'll be pleasantly surprised.

You're not wrong.

 

[Deleted member 88]

You know during the sixties you had a lot of politician’s and general’s children involved in the same unrest. Funny how history rhymes.

 

[DarthOne]

You know during the sixties you had a lot of politician’s and general’s children involved in the same unrest. Funny how history rhymes.

Unfortunately. Hopefully this time around we can keep that particular piece of history from repeating.