United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots
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LindyAF
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What makes you think a math teacher who actually is barely proficient at math and actually got hired to coach football or a washed-up gender studies major "wine aunt" teaching language arts is going to know it?
Because that's who you're going to end up having it be taught by, if you try to outsource it to teachers. They skew massively left (even in pretty red areas), most of them have never seen a gun and would react to one like Swalwell did. And that's on top of the fact that they're going to be trying to be teaching thirty or so students instead of one, and trying to fit it into an hour, tops.
A better solution might be to have the government offer to reimburse people some of the cost of safety training they undertake elsewhere?
Because that's who you're going to end up having it be taught by, if you try to outsource it to teachers. They skew massively left (even in pretty red areas), most of them have never seen a gun and would react to one like Swalwell did. And that's on top of the fact that they're going to be trying to be teaching thirty or so students instead of one, and trying to fit it into an hour, tops.
A better solution might be to have the government offer to reimburse people some of the cost of safety training they undertake elsewhere?
Ever heard of JROTC instructors?
King Arts
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I think one big problem us on the right do is we keep falling over this stupid meme of "small gubamit" What we need is to make sure teachers, police, military, judges, and other civil servants are right leaning instead of just allowing communists to infest the government. Obviously we don't want to have a big totalitarian government that does everything, but allowing a bigger government so that it can protect against communists may be a necesity.
LindyAF
Well-known member
I agree, but that has to start with empowering and encouraging the use of that power by right-wingers in areas of the government that are already either friendly or at least have a tendency towards being right-leaning. Not outsourcing stuff to what is already de facto enemy territory and hoping that because it's us doing the outsourcing it'll somehow turn out alright.
Even if teachers were based I'd think this was a bad idea, but even if the only problem was that teachers skew like >90% democrat, that'd still be what you have to fix first.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
With regard to gun safety training in public school, it’s not going to happen anyway, so discussing it is as fanciful as discussing using the Force to solve our social problems. The left essentially controls every powerful institution in the USA, so a better topic of discussion would probably be how we minimize the role of those institutions in our lives, not increasing them.
LindyAF
Well-known member
We've seen how going full Benedict Option plays out:
But you're right that as these institutions are currently controlled by the enemy, we need to minimize their role in our lives- and furthermore, we need to minimize and handicap them. Putting more power into the hands of those who hate us is foolish- but surrendering the field and hoping they'll leave us alone is just as foolish.
But you're right that as these institutions are currently controlled by the enemy, we need to minimize their role in our lives- and furthermore, we need to minimize and handicap them. Putting more power into the hands of those who hate us is foolish- but surrendering the field and hoping they'll leave us alone is just as foolish.
I guess I'd have requirements that they'd have to pass to be instructors for it.
Schools are very unlikely to be able to staff those positions. There's a reason they resort to having sports coaches teach real classes when they're blatantly not qualified to do so.
Which is also a practice that needs to stop. We really do need to focus on education again, and not just by blindly throwing money at the problem like Democrats seem to think will work. Usually that just ends up lining the pockets of administrators and coaches anyway.
personally I think we need to have the money follow the students instead of the students following the money. Have a set of cash attached to each child and let the parents choose which school they go to with said schools reaping the benifits. Give parents choices basically.
DocSolarisReich
Esoteric Spaceman
The first step to actually playing politics to win instead of scoring feelz good signal points is to build actual communities that are worth making real sacrifices for. But this requires smashing our own false idols; starting with the almighty dollar.
Blindly throwing money at the problem doesn't help, but the problem of teacher understaffing is fundamentally a consequence of the undeniable fact that K-12 teaching pretty much has the lowest pay, worst hours, and least social prestige of any job that requires postgraduate education. Between dealing with that, dealing with student misbehavior, dealing with "Karen" parents, and dealing with school administrators. . . there's a reason so many people who could have been great teachers end up going "Oh fuck no."
And in an ironic converse, college professors get vastly more social prestige (although not necessarily much more pay, if they're part-time associate professors as opposed to tenured faculty) even though they actually don't necessarily have postgraduate education.
I'd question the "low social prestige" bit, teachers generally get a lot of support and appreciation from the community, at least in my observation. The average teacher salary is also about $60,000 a yeah, which might be low for postgraduates but is by no means a poor wage (which applies to the point about prestige as well). Can't speak much to hours, however (though I'd raise the point that whatever their hours are during the school year, they also get almost 3 months off every year, something few if any other professions can claim).
I'm also not sure how big of an issue understaffing is, on a quick google the US has 1 teacher for every 16 students. UK has the same name, France only has 15, and Germany and several nordic states have merely a 1 to 12 ratios. We could always stand to have more teachers, but it doesn't look like we need more teachers. And in fact, a lot of the issues you cite aren't really related to staffing. Troublesome kids, parents, and bosses will be an issue for teachers no matter what.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
One thing to keep in mind about Ruby Ridge, Waco, and doubtless numerous other cases where people try to isolate themselves from the system. While the government has stepped in to crush groups or individuals who tried to isolate themselves, most people who isolate themselves aren't killed or significantly persecuted by the state. That may change in the future, but for now only a small minority are targeted in that way. Keep in mind that any battle strategy, even highly successful ones, is going to have casualties and is going to occasionally fail. Voting often fails to accomplish anything and violence often fails to accomplish anything. Will removing ourselves from the system, to the degree that we are able to, also fail from time to time? Sure, it will, but I think that it would be more successful, more moral, and less risky than violence while being more effective than voting, which you can still do.We've seen how going full Benedict Option plays out:
But you're right that as these institutions are currently controlled by the enemy, we need to minimize their role in our lives- and furthermore, we need to minimize and handicap them. Putting more power into the hands of those who hate us is foolish- but surrendering the field and hoping they'll leave us alone is just as foolish.
You can also remove yourself from society to a large degree without living in a cabin in the woods. You can home school your kids, you can cancel your Disney+ account, you can try to live humbly and give less of your money to the big corporations that support the left's agenda. That doesn't involve living like the Amish, it just involves a few sacrifices that probably aren't sacrifices at all.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Over-credentialing is a huge part of the problem. At the root level, collegiate education is completely unnecessary for teaching K-6 at the least, and almost certainly 7-12. If you can graduate those with good grades, you have the basic material understanding to teach them, and teaching the material will help you master it further.
Our culture and society suffer a plague of over-credentialization. There is, fundamentally, no need to defer qualification for a million and one different jobs to academia, and the consequence of much of this has been bureaucratization of the system, rather than any kind of improvement in quality. On the contrary, educational quality has steadily declined over the latter half of the 20th century, and first two decades of the 21st.
There are a large number of reasons for this, but starting to recruit based on actual affinity for teaching and productive disposition in that regard, rather than someone having spent 4-6 years at academia, would be a good place to be start.
Now, to be clear, it is absolutely possible to learn to be a good teacher at a college. But that's dependent on your professor being good, not attending an educational program, and certainly not on jumping through bureaucratic hoops. One of my sisters went through the process is a teacher now, and she's very good at her job, but only about a third to a quarter of her time at college seems to have applied to her actual job, and the time student teaching then getting through (and learning from) her first couple years as a 'full' teacher were far, far more important.
College level education in teaching is primarily a matter of teaching pedagogy, i.e. teaching and classroom management skills. That is relevant to teaching at all levels, and the lack of practical pedagogy skills among college professors is actually a huge, huge problem, one that actually gets much worse in the elite research institutions.
It is simply assumed that anyone with the higher education qualifications for professorships "obviously" knows how to teach, and the same time, the culture of the elite institutions -- from firsthand experience at Caltech and secondhand from close friends friends at MIT -- is so utterly research-centric that grad students actually try not to get good scores on their teaching evaluations. Having an excellent teaching evaluation is seen as proof that you're inadequately focused on your all-important research, and thus is something of a kiss of death.
Does France have any riots like what we have been having here thanks to George Floyd?
Arlos
Sad Monarchist
When is there no protest/riot? There is always something going on, especially in Paris, Yellow vest, protest against the new security bill, protest demanding intervention against the president of Senegal...
You get used to it at some point, Parisian are the ones to eat the worst of it anyways, and nobody like Parisian.
We also have the usual stuff happening in our lovely suburb, mortar attack against police station, baiting and ambush of riot police, dog piling patrolling cops, etc etc...
There was some protest because of George floyd, but it kind of puttered out; It’s kind of silly to protest over something happening in the US, and the protesting scene is already overcrowded.
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