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King Arts
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They must really suck at it then. I mean if Russia did kill 30 times the civillians it currently killed would you call it a genocide? If it was done in under a month instead of over a year?
So I skimmed my posts in the Ukraine threads to see if there was any basis for King Arts accusation from earlier of him stating I stated Russia was perpetrating a genocide in Ukraine. I didn't find anything... but through my keyword searching... I did find these bits which might imply that perception.
How Moscow grabs Ukrainian kids and makes them Russians
Olga Lopatkina paced around her basement in circles like a trapped animal. For more than a week, the Ukrainian mother had heard nothing from her six adopted children stranded in Mariupol, and she was going out of her mind with worry.
apnews.com
UN Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine finds continued war crimes and human rights violations gravely impacting civilians
As the armed conflict in Ukraine continues in its second year, it has further contributed to suffering and hardships for thousands of affected civilians.
Ukraine’s true detectives: the investigators closing in on Russian war criminals
The long read: Across the country, fact-finding teams are tirelessly gathering evidence and testimony about Russian atrocities, often within hours of troops retreating. Turning this into convictions will not be easy, or quick, but the task has begun
www.theguardian.com
“We Will Never Be the Same”: Bullets and Blindfolds in a Ukrainian City Under Siege
When the Russian army occupied Hostomel for 35 days, it visited unspeakable horror on the town and its residents. Then it came for its only doctor, and tore her family apart.
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1584054018145685504?s=20
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1547255784500862979?s=20
I dunno... Maybe Israel is doing the exact same thing?
King Arts
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Well that's because on the right most sources either simp for Israel and thus won't show Israeli crimes. Or they rightfully don't care one way or another. I'm here because simps from one group are trying to make the right support one side. And the isolationist right isn't going to send journalists and all that just to contest this. So we have to use sources from leftists. But to be honest both sides are leftists.
So I skimmed my posts in the Ukraine threads to see if there was any basis for King Arts accusation from earlier of him stating I stated Russia was perpetrating a genocide in Ukraine. I didn't find anything... but through my keyword searching... I did find these bits which might imply that perception.
How Moscow grabs Ukrainian kids and makes them Russians
Olga Lopatkina paced around her basement in circles like a trapped animal. For more than a week, the Ukrainian mother had heard nothing from her six adopted children stranded in Mariupol, and she was going out of her mind with worry.
UN Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine finds continued war crimes and human rights violations gravely impacting civilians
As the armed conflict in Ukraine continues in its second year, it has further contributed to suffering and hardships for thousands of affected civilians.ukraine.un.org
Ukraine’s true detectives: the investigators closing in on Russian war criminals
The long read: Across the country, fact-finding teams are tirelessly gathering evidence and testimony about Russian atrocities, often within hours of troops retreating. Turning this into convictions will not be easy, or quick, but the task has begun
“We Will Never Be the Same”: Bullets and Blindfolds in a Ukrainian City Under Siege
When the Russian army occupied Hostomel for 35 days, it visited unspeakable horror on the town and its residents. Then it came for its only doctor, and tore her family apart.www.vanityfair.com
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1584054018145685504?s=20
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1547255784500862979?s=20
I dunno... Maybe Israel is doing the exact same thing?
Pro-Israel demonstrators call for genocide in New York City
Jeremy Loffredo covers an October 9 pro-Israel demonstration in New York City's Times Square, where demonstrators issued explicit calls for the genocide of P...
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Pro-Israel demonstrators call for genocide in New York City
Jeremy Loffredo covers an October 9 pro-Israel demonstration in New York City's Times Square, where demonstrators issued explicit calls for the genocide of P...
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Since we like to look at random assholes from Palestinian to Russian. How about we look at some Jewish racists who have calls for genocide while larping as gay nazis.Pro-Israel demonstrators call for genocide in New York City
Jeremy Loffredo covers an October 9 pro-Israel demonstration in New York City's Times Square, where demonstrators issued explicit calls for the genocide of P...
Pro-Israel demonstrators call for genocide in New York City
Jeremy Loffredo covers an October 9 pro-Israel demonstration in New York City's Times Square, where demonstrators issued explicit calls for the genocide of P...
No one in my post you quoted is a random asshole protestor unlike yours which literally has just a random asshole as a counterpoint. Like there's a reason I put the "random" assholes in the bottom of my post beneath the more substantial accounts lol.
King Arts
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The video was in response to your last video
In response to your first tweets about Russia taking kids back to Russia you can argue that's cultural genocide. You can say it's wrong some will say it's not wrong. But unlike the Russians, Israel just kills the kids. If it is a genocide a "real" genocide is worse than a cultural genocide.
Everyone who isn't a Leftist shill did and still does.
Like a lot of Leftists who aren't mentally unbalanced fundamentalists for a cause? She's a grifter. She'll move onto the next "big thing" after this mess dies down a bit.
It's kinda sad because she went from being basically an indoctrinated child trotted around like a show dog, to a clueless and indoctrinated teen doing the same thing while striking out on her own for the same 'causes', to a grifting and deceitful adult (like her parents) that perpetuates the bullshit for her own gain.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
There are better sources, theirs is just one perspective among many. It blew up in the trends of Youtube. I don't remember Piers Morgan being leftist in any strict sense of the word, I always thought of him as pro-vax neocon like Ben Shapiro.
LordsFire
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...All you're doing here is showing you don't know who Piers Morgan is.
He's solidly leftist overall, with a few hints of actual patriotism for Britain keeping him from being a total sellout. Given his age, he's arguably just a 90's leftist.
Navarro
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I was talking about Owen Jones.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
And Rejectionist was talking about Piers Morgan, which is the post that I quoted.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Granted, I am out of the loop in British politics besides both parties are selling out differently the homeland they supposedly should represent and that are alternatives are either nonexistent or sellout.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
We somewhat agree here on her. I simply didn't want to take her seriously as she is the average Scandivanian liberal social democratic voter from a privileged background.
Oh she's far worse than the average in that regard. She's on the vanguard even by the standards of leftism in Scandinavia.
Russia also killed plenty of kids. Would you consider Israel *less* bad if in addition to bombing and riot collateral dead kids it also kidnapped 10x as many Palestinian kids to indoctrinate into loyalty to Israel? Well for one any kids kept in Israeli boarding schools would no longer be there to be killed in urban warfare or in riots, so ironically actual textbook cultural genocide policy would lower the amount of dead kids in practice.
Collateral civilian deaths in warfare are not genocide and anyone who says otherwise is a leftist mong, by that standard everyone who ever waged a large scale war would be doing a genocide, which is fucking insane.
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TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
That would explain she got sponsored so much. Hopefully she receives the proverbial saying "don't bite the hand that feeds".
A silver lining of this it might get the EuroAmerican leftist groups into an ideological civil war because their masters thought had total control on them. If it is not already happening.
King Arts
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Ironically yes Israel would be better morally if they took in Palestinian orphans and raised them to be loyal to Israel.
Also I know that civilian casualties are a thing and that’s not genocide but if the numbers keep going up it MAY become one. It’s a possibility.
Also I’m not stating it’s a genocide I don’t think Israel or Russia are doing a genocide but if you think one is but the other isn’t you may not be consistent.
Largo
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The earlier arguments make it pretty clear. I think Russia intends to exterminate the Ukrainians wherever it can get their hands on it. I don't think Israel intends to exterminate the Palestinians. It's killing people, but there is no intent, and that intent is absolutely necessary.
We can have an argument about whether Russia or Israel intend to do as such. Maybe I'm wrong that Russia intends to do that, and wrong that Israel doesn't intend to do that. But it's not hypocritical.
We can have an argument about whether Russia or Israel intend to do as such. Maybe I'm wrong that Russia intends to do that, and wrong that Israel doesn't intend to do that. But it's not hypocritical.
Unfortunately for you the international community in general and the Muslim world in particular would be far more outraged about that and Israel would certainly get sanctioned over it. So it's just your personal calculation that hardly anyone else agrees with.
Well its hard for them to go down until someone invents necromancy at least.
Genocide is part intent part scale, normal warfare may kill a good chunk of a population but still not be a genocide. Russia commits a lot of war crimes beyond the limits of normal warfare, hence they get hit with accusations. especially with deporting hundreds of thousands to millions. That's a statistically significant portion of the population of territories occupied by Russia.
However, in case of Palestine, considering the population trends... if this is genocide, then it is the most incompetent genocide in history as the supposed genocidal actions don't even make a meaningful dent in the Palestinian population growth, with Gaza City itself increasing in population 12 times since Israel's founding. What fucking genocide, we are talking few thousands, low tens of thousands of dead civilians at most, even though Israel would have the technical capacity to increase that by an order of magnitude at least.
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