Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

[Bacle]

Two US citizens held hostage be Hamas have been released.

I guess a few in Hamas realize that when the IDF said destroying Hamas would be the primary focus of Israel's efforts, and that hostages and civies would be of secondary priority, it means those hostages are not going to stop the IDF from striking Gaza, and doing what it needs to in order to deal with the issues there.

Hamas is realizing that human shields only work if the enemy isn't willing to lose the hostages to kill the Hamas members.

 

[Jormungandr]

I'm not sure what to think at the moment.

On the one hand, it looks like Israel is kicking the can down the road again; on the other hand, we're seeing Israel going full on total war on Gaza, the Palestinians, and Hamas.

Either way, there isn't going to be a return to the status quo after this.

 

[Marduk]

I'm not sure what to think at the moment.

On the one hand, it looks like Israel is kicking the can down the road again; on the other hand, we're seeing Israel going full on total war on Gaza, the Palestinians, and Hamas.

Either way, there isn't going to be a return to the status quo after this.

Logistics and cloud cover i've heard.

 

[TheRejectionist]

At this point, I have to agree with Peter Zaihan, that the Hamas attack was backed by Iran to derail the peace negotiations between Israel and Saudi Arabia. Iran wants everyone divided so they can play one against the other.

Peter Zeihan is kinda of a snakeoil salesman. If you watch his videos you will notice a pattern on how all of his arguments to do to well for him.
One of his last videos he did pointed out how nobody is getting out of this mess unscathed, be it geopolitically or battle-wise.
Hamas has been bankrolled from the outside through either Qatar, raised funds from other countries, other wealthier Palestinians and crypto currency.
Just remember, the same people who lied about Iraq, Syria and COVID and so on are a bit too eager to point the finger at Iran.
Zeihan is part of that blasphemous neoliberal and neoconservative cabal. Or at least a jester, chaperon and spokesperson on the level of Harari.

 

[Terthna]

I'm not sure what to think at the moment.

On the one hand, it looks like Israel is kicking the can down the road again; on the other hand, we're seeing Israel going full on total war on Gaza, the Palestinians, and Hamas.

Either way, there isn't going to be a return to the status quo after this.

My guess is that there's different factions within the Israeli government who have different ideas on what should be done.

 

[Bacle]

My guess is that there's different factions within the Israeli government who have different ideas on what should be done.

I think it is more that Israel, Jordan, Egypt, the US, and others involved want to figure out what the post-Hamas leadership/gov of Gaza is going to be, before they go in.

Removing Hamas is step 1, but what comes after is trickier to plan for quickly.

 

[Bacle]

Well Greta is learning that supporting Hamas is a redline for a lot of people who humor her other shit.

 

[mandragon]

Well Greta is learning that supporting Hamas is a redline for a lot of people who humor her other shit.

.....HOW DARE YOU.....

 

[Marduk]

Peter Zeihan is kinda of a snakeoil salesman. If you watch his videos you will notice a pattern on how all of his arguments to do to well for him.
One of his last videos he did pointed out how nobody is getting out of this mess unscathed, be it geopolitically or battle-wise.
Hamas has been bankrolled from the outside through either Qatar, raised funds from other countries, other wealthier Palestinians and crypto currency.
Just remember, the same people who lied about Iraq, Syria and COVID and so on are a bit too eager to point the finger at Iran.
Zeihan is part of that blasphemous neoliberal and neoconservative cabal. Or at least a jester, chaperon and spokesperson on the level of Harari.

Hamas is literally using Iranian weapons and publicly thanking Iran for the support.
I don't know why you are so hell bent on excusing Iran out of this mess but it is getting silly.

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[DarthOne]

Hamas is literally using Iranian weapons and publicly thanking Iran for the support.
I don't know why you are so hell bent on excusing Iran out of this mess but it is getting silly.

He literally said ‘other nations’. Last time I checked, Iran is another nation. And he never denied that Iran might be involved.

 

[Marduk]

He literally said ‘other nations’. Last time I checked, Iran is another nation. And he never denied that Iran might be involved.

Read his post before going out of your way to excuse your comrade in contrarian clownery.
This sentence specifically:

Just remember, the same people who lied about Iraq, Syria and COVID and so on are a bit too eager to point the finger at Iran.

 

[Husky_Khan]

.....HOW DARE JEW.....

FTFY

 

[Abhorsen]

I guess a few in Hamas realize that when the IDF said destroying Hamas would be the primary focus of Israel's efforts, and that hostages and civies would be of secondary priority, it means those hostages are not going to stop the IDF from striking Gaza, and doing what it needs to in order to deal with the issues there.

Hamas is realizing that human shields only work if the enemy isn't willing to lose the hostages to kill the Hamas members.

That's definitely not what's going through their heads. If that was going through their heads, why not quietly kill them?

I'm not sure what to think at the moment.

On the one hand, it looks like Israel is kicking the can down the road again; on the other hand, we're seeing Israel going full on total war on Gaza, the Palestinians, and Hamas.

Either way, there isn't going to be a return to the status quo after this.

Israel has announced a three phase plan for the war, which is obviously kept pretty vague, but loosely its:

1. Airstrikes and manouvres (presumably including a ground assualt)
2. Eliminate remaining pockets of remaining Hamas
3. Leave Gaza and its 'responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip' will cease

I'm calling it Invasion, Elimination, and Evacuation.

I'm pretty sure that the end result will be a far different Gaza than there was before, but obviously Israel isn't going to come out and say it and get condemned in advance for whatever it is.

Well Greta is learning that supporting Hamas is a redline for a lot of people who humor her other shit.

Can someone tell me what's bad about an octopus? I don't honestly get it. Is it supposed to be anti-semetic or something? This could easily just be reading too much into stuff. Why would she dogwhistle when she can basically get away with saying it outright?

Instead, just judge her for the sign she's holding, and that she's supporting Gaza but said nothing about the massacre of Jewish people. That's an easy, obviously true narrative.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Can someone tell me what's bad about an octopus? I don't honestly get it. Is it supposed to be anti-semetic or something? This could easily just be reading too much into stuff. Why would she dogwhistle when she can basically get away with saying it outright?

Instead, just judge her for the sign she's holding, and that she's supporting Gaza but said nothing about the massacre of Jewish people. That's an easy, obviously true narrative.

Did a Duck Duck Go search for "Octopus" and "Jew" and got nothing.

Did a search for "Octopus" "Jew" and "Nazi" and got this from the US Holocaust Museum.

Anti-Jewish propaganda

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

I'm gonna say coincidental... but... I mean... it is kind randomly in there... so it could be some subtle shit. People dunk on Greta all the time but I actually think she's far more savvy than people give her credit for. The Octopus wasn't just "left" there I'm thinking ya know? Unless there's random stuffed animals in other pictures she takes.

 

[Marduk]

Can someone tell me what's bad about an octopus? I don't honestly get it. Is it supposed to be anti-semetic or something? This could easily just be reading too much into stuff. Why would she dogwhistle when she can basically get away with saying it outright?

Instead, just judge her for the sign she's holding, and that she's supporting Gaza but said nothing about the massacre of Jewish people. That's an easy, obviously true narrative.

Zee history:

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[Bacle]

That's definitely not what's going through their heads. If that was going through their heads, why not quietly kill them?

Because some in Hamas probably think those hostages are more valuable trading back before the ground invasion, and may be trying to bargain themselves out of the death warrant Israel issued for all members of Hamas.

Some in Hamas have said that they only went in for hostages to get prisoner swaps going, but then Gaza 'civilians' followed them in and undertook the massacres and pillaging.

I don't really buy it, but if some in Hamas really only wanted a few hundred people for prisoner swaps, not a death toll in the thousands, then maybe they feel they bit off more than they wanted to chew.

Can someone tell me what's bad about an octopus? I don't honestly get it. Is it supposed to be anti-semetic or something? This could easily just be reading too much into stuff. Why would she dogwhistle when she can basically get away with saying it outright?

I'm thinking the octopus was something that either is related to location doxxing of the photo, or maybe the 'Jews control the world' conspiracy theory BS and they use the octopus as a representation of it.

It's similar to the old comics that ripped on Standard Oil/Exxon during the late 1800s/early 1900s by showing them as an octopus with arms all over the world.

Instead, just judge her for the sign she's holding, and that she's supporting Gaza but said nothing about the massacre of Jewish people. That's an easy, obviously true narrative.

I think he was judging her for the words more; the octopus focus is as I said, may or may not be meaningful.

Nevermind, those above me seem to have found the links about the octopus/anti-Jew relationship.

 

[King Arts]

Both groups don't follow a crapload of the stuff they're supposedly obligated to do.

Do they not follow it because they fail to live up to the standard, or do they claim that thing is not the standard?

So you DON'T reach the logical conclusion. Thank you for confirming this.

Umm Christianity says that you can't be perfect but you should still try, and not try to weasel your way around or do "pride" for things that are a sin just so you can claim to not be a sinner.

Christianity does go to it's logical conclusion we know there is sin, we say sin is bad, it's just that we sometimes do sin which is bad. I don't see how that is not following something to the logical conclusion.

 

[Abhorsen]

So this woman put her life on the line and did actual journalism:

 

[mrttao]

Read his post before going out of your way to excuse your comrade in contrarian clownery.
This sentence specifically:

And?
none of it is saying iran was not involved.

He is saying that people are trying to say "this is solely iran and nobody else. nope, we were definitely not involved, just iran"

Basically you have 10 criminals, and criminals 2 through 10 are all testifying that they did nothing and it was all criminal number 1.

You are misconstruing this as "he is saying criminal 1 is innocent", which, isn't at all what he said.

 

[Marduk]

And?
none of it is saying iran was not involved.

He is saying that people are trying to say "this is solely iran and nobody else. nope, we were definitely not involved, just iran"

Basically you have 10 criminals, and criminals 2 through 10 are all testifying that they did nothing and it was all criminal number 1.

You are misconstruing this as "he is saying criminal 1 is innocent", which, isn't at all what he said.

Literally no one is claiming Iran is the only party involved. Just that Iran is one of major allies of Hamas and there is absolutely no denying it. So there is no pointing the finger at Iran too hard.