Reminder this is what the 'innocent Palestinians' did on Oct 7th behind the walls of Gaza.
Yup. The Palestinians are Hamas. Hamas are the Palestinians.
Except for a few specific examples I mentioned in another post? Fuck 'em all.
Reminder this is what the 'innocent Palestinians' did on Oct 7th behind the walls of Gaza.
No, it is relevant considering you are shilling for an alignment of governments that despise and your culture erased.Wrong but irrelevant.
Yes it is relevant considering one of the biggest concentration of the US forces and allies invaded or allowed to ruin their own countries.It is not imperialism for third world, not having first world imperialism or any kind of imperialism.Also wrong and irrelevant.
It's none of Shia Islamist's fucking business where US forces are supposed to be. I have no tolerance for "isolationism for the West, imperialism for world's shitsters" bullshit.
You consider anyone a third world terrorist or commies.Sorry, i still absolutely refuse to care about dead third world terrorists and commies, whoever kills them and wherever, great, the only thing western governments do wrong in that regard is not killing nearly enough of them.
They lied then, they lie now. That is what has to do with the subject at hand.Don't care, WTF does big pharma have to do with it, you really must have run out of arguments to mix that in.
The only one that owns us is Washington and it's lobbyists.I won't support fucking Shia Islamists to own the libs, forget about it. They want to own all of us, not just the libs, so fuck that.
Sure, because it is not like you spew dumb bullcrap that gets disproven by others and even other mods.Gee, more dumb anti-americanist leftist dogma, take this Baghdad Bob grade bullshit to someone who will take it seriously, you know damn well by know that it's not me, i don't drink this navel gazing shit that contrarian left idealist useful idiots love, just as their users in Beijing, Moscow and Tehran love it too.
Marduk the only who scrapes the bottom of the barrel is you with arguments and article that are from notorious paid propagandists like Reuters.Then why the fuck do you scrape the bottom of the barrel to find reasons for USA to not crack down on the Shia jihadis and try to desperately convince me that Shia jihadis are good boys and don't threaten anyone and if they do its a good thing.
No, i'm not shilling for leftists. You are shilling for leftist's idols. And when it comes to foreign policy and global power contests, you stand on the same side as the globalists, if not even more extreme - remember, Obama, managed decline, apology tour?No, it is relevant considering you are shilling for an alignment of governments that despise and your culture erased.
Would you like a pony with that?Yes it is relevant considering one of the biggest concentration of the US forces and allies invaded or allowed to ruin their own countries.It is not imperialism for third world, not having first world imperialism or any kind of imperialism.
Funny you would say that in a discussion about fucking Iran with its Islamic revolution.You consider anyone a third world terrorist or commies.
So? Journos are shit, i know, but how the fuck is it a reason to shil for interests of third world wannabe rising powers over own countries and allies.They lied then, they lie now. That is what has to do with the subject at hand.
So worry about that bloody spot, not whether the guys there fuck up the wannabes in Tehran.The only one that owns us is Washington and it's lobbyists.
>disprovenSure, because it is not like you spew dumb bullcrap that gets disproven by others and even other mods.
LMAO.Marduk the only who scrapes the bottom of the barrel is you with arguments and article that are from notorious paid propagandists like Reuters.
As always you demonstrate the ability to reason and intellect of a pigeon playing chess showing you are exactly like an actual Iran cheerleader, only thing that is different is the team, but it is still crap and bloodthirsty.No, i'm not shilling for leftists. You are shilling for leftist's idols. And when it comes to foreign policy and global power contests, you stand on the same side as the globalists, if not even more extreme - remember, Obama, managed decline, apology tour?
Would you like a pony with that?
There is always a hegemon. A lot of people are fucking spoiled by USA being the hegemon and not realizing how the other options for a hegemon would normally act towards their shenanigans.
Funny you would say that in a discussion about fucking Iran with its Islamic revolution.
So? Journos are shit, i know, but how the fuck is it a reason to shil for interests of third world wannabe rising powers over own countries and allies.
So worry about that bloody spot, not whether the guys there fuck up the wannabes in Tehran.
A good option to sit in Washington would, among other things, own the wannabes in Tehran a long time ago.
>disproven
Me? Where? You say journos are shits, yet go full "it was deboooonked!!!" on me.
LMAO.
>Rejectionist says Iran is not a threat
>I link a Reuters article describing proxy warfare of Iran against US bases in ME
>Rejectionist says its all propaganda and Reuters lies and brings in pharma bullshit into it
Dude, do you read the fucking news, even as they come out right now, or are just doing a Baghdad Bob routine for Shia Islamists without caring if you are right or not?
Sorry, you may live in the alternate universe you live in where the ayatollahs is a good boys and never do anything mean if that helps you cope with reality, but i don't.
Some of which you invaded without actual provocation.US bases are being attacked.
Check the fucking State Departments advice for US personal traveling abroad for the ME.
I thankfully don't live near a US base but if I actually did I would remind them there is a valid reason they are not welcome there and they have their last ten governments to thank for that. And that they will be probably be unwelcome soon enough in my country as well.Ask any soldier or marine currently deployed to the ME...
Nice word jujitsu you have there, shame its just bullshit.As always you demonstrate the ability to reason and intellect of a pigeon playing chess showing you are exactly like an actual Iran cheerleader, only thing that is different is the team, but it is still crap and bloodthirsty.
Failure at letting Christianity live in the place of it's birth. Yes being a Christian can be tough sometimes, but if it's possible to live in some place they should try to stick it out. I don't mind sending help like aid to make it easier. But I don't want the few Christians left to lose many of their numbers.Failure at what? Getting bragging rights? Dying out with the whole family of stubbornness? It's not "wah can't get Starbucks, life is tough", it's life among and more likely than not under the power of Muslims, and quite fanatical ones at that, we're not talking Tatars or even Turks, with no real prospect of it getting better. Outside of the rather unlikely scenario of someone else coming in and removing or at least oppressing the Muslims for them, it's not gonna get much better for them in foreseeable future, that's a given. Meanwhile their own community in Gaza does in fact shrink quickly, by 2/3 over last decade and a bit, so migration is apparently possible for them somehow, considering how many do it.
On the other hand the mentioned idiocy of highest order is common, as we have heard of many people with foreign citizenship who were living in Gaza before the attacks, and with that means those could have emigrated a long time ago with no issue, quite often various humanitarian workers and the like.
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More like cucked Maori.Based Maori.
The Destiny Church activists emphasised their belief in the biblical connection to the Holy Land, stating that the Jews are God's chosen people.
There are degrees of "possible".Failure at letting Christianity live in the place of it's birth. Yes being a Christian can be tough sometimes, but if it's possible to live in some place they should try to stick it out. I don't mind sending help like aid to make it easier. But I don't want the few Christians left to lose many of their numbers.
It does mean that they probably could if they had the means and the will to try, if they don't think its worth it, that's their choice. And that's ignoring the inaccurate comparison, Mexicans are numerous enough to crash any immigration system in the world, so someone would have to stop them if too many of them tried, meanwhile Christians remaining in Gaza would struggle to fill 2 large passenger planes, let that sink in.Also just because some people are able to immigrate does not mean ALL people are able to. There are some Meican immigrants to the U.S. does that mean all of them could come here?
If they are staying there for 5 or 20 years and have their families there they are in effect living there.As for humanitarian workers those don't count as immigration or emigration. They don't live there they will eventually leave, and they went there knowing it was dangerous and could die or be hurt but they chose that they were not born into it.
Shame you are an heartless warhound.Nice word jujitsu you have there, shame its just bullshit.
I mean you clearly stated the contrary multiple times, when in actuality I simply don't want to the bullshit to happen anyone, regardless who comes from.It is obvious that you subscribe to a certain variation of the common "America bad, West bad!" foreign policy theory, adherents of which are the useful idiots of many of world's actual oppressive regimes.
As proven, if it is your side doing bullshit you are perfectly ok with that, I am instead arguing for no one doing bullshit. Your own "team" tried to poison you, make you a minority in your own country and tell your kids it is okay to be a transexual cuck.Sadly said regimes do not tolerate mirror activism in their own countries, it would be hilarious if they did.
And yes, i do support my own team in this, only self-hating leftists think there's something wrong with being on own side in international politics (at least with westerners being on own side, they would never say that to rival powers), as opposed to assorted victimhood groups, whining dictators who want to build empires but nasty westerners get in the way, the commie team, or assorted idealists with their pet fables that they demand others believe and mostly boil down to supporting one of the commie factions in a roundabout way or something like that.
I mean Christians have managed it so far for 1400 years haven't they? That's not really a slow death. Christians don't NEED to be in power in the Holy Land to survive and possibly thrive(though it would be nice)There are degrees of "possible".
From the moment Muslims managed to establish a demographic and power advantage as massive as they have now, they are on a timer.
Unless you have an army of settlers willing to go and live there and tell the local Muslims to go fuck themselves if they don't like it, or an army of crusaders willing to tell them "convert, submit, die or leave" like ISIL, or the aid you want to send is an army of autonomous killbots who will fight for them, there isn't much that can be done about that.
I don't see what's so good about those communities there staying, slowly dying out, while acting as pawns, scapegoats and human shields for local Muslim rulers, and being prevented from leaving such miserable circumstances while at it.
I mean it would be a great loss, we do have historic church's there. I mean land is not just territory, it has a history Christians abandoning a place they have lived for 2000 years and has unbroken tradition it would be a tragedy. While Hamas are brutal killers, it's pretty disgusting how people can dehumanize countless children for living in a certain piece of land.It does mean that they probably could if they had the means and the will to try, if they don't think its worth it, that's their choice. And that's ignoring the inaccurate comparison, Mexicans are numerous enough to crash any immigration system in the world, so someone would have to stop them if too many of them tried, meanwhile Christians remaining in Gaza would struggle to fill 2 large passenger planes, let that sink in.
A five year stint isn't that long for these type of things though? But if it's 20 years or they marry into the community then yes they have basically immigrated to live with the locals.If they are staying there for 5 or 20 years and have their families there they are in effect living there.
But to properly answer your question I need to know. What do you think the Palestinians are? If you say they are Arab then they were there since the 600's or 700's. That get's us to 1400 years. Before that it was a Roman province that sometimes changed hands with the Sassanians. Now I have a question for you what happened after the Arab conquest? Do you think all those people were killed off to the last and no longer remained? Is that what you think?
Oh that's actually pretty reasonable(after Hamas is dealt with of course)I don't have an opinion on Palestinian origins. I just want to know where the two thousand year old households are. If they've been there that long and not supporting terrorism they probably should be given some more consideration. My opinion on the matter is inapplicable to this hypothetical anyways. I support Israel withdrawing its settlements from Gaza back in 2005 and support Gaza being part of the Palestinian state in a two state solution that doesn't have a stated goal of wiping out its neighbor(s).
Wouldn't want to be anything else.Shame you are an heartless warhound.
Yeah, sure, and as i said, would you like a pony with that?I mean you clearly stated the contrary multiple times, when in actuality I simply don't want to the bullshit to happen anyone, regardless who comes from.
Yeah, our team has shit leadership who wants us to decline in a slow and managed way.As proven, if it is your side doing bullshit you are perfectly ok with that, I am instead arguing for no one doing bullshit. Your own "team" tried to poison you, make you a minority in your own country and tell your kids it is okay to be a transexual cuck.
I mean Christians have managed it so far for 1400 years haven't they? That's not really a slow death. Christians don't NEED to be in power in the Holy Land to survive and possibly thrive(though it would be nice)
What would be great for Christians living there is stability, they need the power whoever it is Israel or whoever to take control of the territory and actually administrate it and kill off criminals and thugs like Hamas.
Of course this would go against other interests because Israel put itself in a bind by proclaiming itself a Jewish democratic state. Israel wants all of the Palestinian lands, wants to be Jewish, and wants to be democratic. It can only pick two of those. World won't let it just do genocide. It could get away with conquest but then it has to deal with the Palestinian population, that means they either have to be second class citizens(Christians could deal with that) so that the state remains Jewish. Or it would have to give citizenship to the Palestinians(eventually at least, obviously it would be foolish to give a group you just conqured forcefully political power. But there would have to be some roadmap to bringing the people of the new territories into political life eventually)
I mean it would be a great loss, we do have historic church's there. I mean land is not just territory, it has a history Christians abandoning a place they have lived for 2000 years and has unbroken tradition it would be a tragedy. While Hamas are brutal killers, it's pretty disgusting how people can dehumanize countless children for living in a certain piece of land.
A five year stint isn't that long for these type of things though? But if it's 20 years or they marry into the community then yes they have basically immigrated to live with the locals.
Wait, what? What are referring to here specifically?it's pretty disgusting how people can dehumanize countless children for living in a certain piece of land.
Nope. The term for what you are asking is multiculturalism, and if we know anything now, is that it doesn't work, too many countries tired. If the "new people" are sufficiently bent on being hostile and not assunukatubg, which this is a textbook case of, there are irreconcilable differences, you have to kill, exile or forcibly indoctrinate the people for this to work out in long term, and by the standards of western liberal culture and international law, all of these options are not ok, i would say different degrees, but some more liberal people would say they are all unacceptable absolutely.But there would have to be some roadmap to bringing the people of the new territories into political life eventually)
Iraq is the only one without provocation.Some of which you invaded without actual provocation.
The service members would probably agree about thier last ten governments. But we would laugh when you say they arnt welcome.I thankfully don't live near a US base but if I actually did I would remind them there is a valid reason they are not welcome there and they have their last ten governments to thank for that. And that they will be probably be unwelcome soon enough in my country as well.
Close enough. Same religion at any rate.
I mean you are both right the Turks are worse than Arabs. But Islam is an Arab supremacist ideology. Unlike Christianity which allows local diversity (except neo Protestants) you can see that the Christians when they made new disciples the locals could still continue to wear their traditional clothes and keep their customs, that’s why in eastern Christianity you’ll see church’s with different architectural styles. Not so with Islam they make more Arabs with their converts.Yeah gotta agree with @TheRomanSlayer it was the Turks and some Kurdish tribes that partecipated in it. There are some very good articles on how Arabs did help a lot of the Armenians, with the head of the soon to be ruling Hashemite dynasty issuing a religious order to ask the faithful to help them as much as they could.
I mean yes the people are more important than the land but the land does shape the people no?The tradition lives in the people, not the land. Think of all the Christian communities that did in fact got more or less wiped out by Muslims through history.
If you want to keep the land and non-movable historical/religious artifacts too, well then, actually controlling the land, alone or with some allies nicer than Islamists, is the only way. Even the medieval leaders understood that.
Consider how much of the map of MENA was Christian around the time Mohammad launching his campaign of conquest, and how much is now, with increasingly small and isolated communities of Christian being ever rarer and more scattered with time.
Oh that wasn’t at you that was others like Skallgrim, Bacle and I forgot who else who were cheering for dead Palestinians. Like you can believe that Israeli air strikes are valid and the best option for the Israelis yet recognize it’s sad when children die but such is war. That’s different from thinking of the other group as rats who it’s good to wipe out.Wait, what? What are referring to here specifically?
Again that means a two state solution or Israel takes over everything but does not give equal rights to the Palestinians. I’m not that liberal, where I say that new people in a territory must be given equal rights straight away. But while your arguments about self determination would normally work because of Jerusalems history the Jews aren’t the only ones with a claim so some form of multiculturalism or sharing is needed. That does not mean equality simply that you can’t kick out the other groups to make it Muslim and Christian free. Again the land can either be split with security guarantees, or one state can rule all of it. If one state does rule all of it it can’t be both Jewish and democratic. It could be a democratic state or a Jewish state that has Christians as Muslims as full residents but not voting rights or whatever.Nope. The term for what you are asking is multiculturalism, and if we know anything now, is that it doesn't work, too many countries tired. If the "new people" are sufficiently bent on being hostile and not assunukatubg, which this is a textbook case of, there are irreconcilable differences, you have to kill, exile or forcibly indoctrinate the people for this to work out in long term, and by the standards of western liberal culture and international law, all of these options are not ok, i would say different degrees, but some more liberal people would say they are all unacceptable absolutely.
Again it’s mostly the Muslims who are at fault for keeping this up instead of just accepting defeat and working from there.Also Israel would be willing to leave some land to Arabs, however only on the condition of getting guarantees that this land won't be used as a staging area for further invasions or rocket/terror raid bullshit in the future (like Gaza is since their withdrawal), guarantees which in current paradigm no one on the other side is willing, or even able to give in good faith. Hence the status quo.
Well this environment is about to shape them into Muslims or corpses, so better if they go elsewhere.I mean yes the people are more important than the land but the land does shape the people no?
That's how wars work. If Palestinians care about their children, they should surrender instead of waging total war they can't win counting on "international community" to stay the other side's hand. Israelis have no duty to care more about Palestinian children than Palestinians themselves do. It's not like Israelis can take away their children for safety and stop them from making more, if they did that would be an actual genocide legally.Oh that wasn’t at you that was others like Skallgrim, Bacle and I forgot who else who were cheering for dead Palestinians. Like you can believe that Israeli air strikes are valid and the best option for the Israelis yet recognize it’s sad when children die but such is war. That’s different from thinking of the other group as rats who it’s good to wipe out.
Again, theoretical solutions.Again that means a two state solution or Israel takes over everything but does not give equal rights to the Palestinians.
I'm pretty sure Jerusalem's history in fact included a lot of kicking out of groups or parts of groups that are too much trouble or just merely for being the wrong group, including a lot of kicking out straight to afterlife.I’m not that liberal, where I say that new people in a territory must be given equal rights straight away. But while your arguments about self determination would normally work because of Jerusalems history the Jews aren’t the only ones with a claim so some form of multiculturalism or sharing is needed. That does not mean equality simply that you can’t kick out the other groups to make it Muslim and Christian free. Again the land can either be split with security guarantees, or one state can rule all of it. If one state does rule all of it it can’t be both Jewish and democratic. It could be a democratic state or a Jewish state that has Christians as Muslims as full residents but not voting rights or whatever.
That we can agree on, and that's the intent with what they are doing, keep it up no matter the cost, in hope that the other side will back down because they have no stomach to deal with the implications of combining guerilla warfare and completely unrestricted total warfare.Again it’s mostly the Muslims who are at fault for keeping this up instead of just accepting defeat and working from there.
I'm pretty sure Jerusalem's history in fact included a lot of kicking out of groups or parts of groups that are too much trouble or just merely for being the wrong group, including a lot of kicking out straight to afterlife.