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Harry Potter Potterverse Discussion Thread

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I meant examples. Sorry.
"Avada Kadavra can kill Galactus because it's a conceptual level curse."

Proceed to throw a 20 page temper tantrum when people politely point that was retarded.

Apart from that simping for Snape and thinking that retcon at the last minute was deep writing and generally over rating the series.
 
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"Avada Kadavra can kill Galactus because it's a conceptual level curse."

Proceed to throw a 20 page temper tantrum when people politely point that was retarded.

Apart from that simping for Snape and thinking that retcon at the last minute was deep writing and generally over rating the series.
Avada Kadavra could be blocked by simplistic armor or heck even a really dense shirt. and considering galactus is all armor except for maybe his face, yeah good luck. that's even assuming that his size wouldn't immediately dilute the spell by default.

Honestly the Retcon with snape kind of ruined the series for me because it essentially means that this whole story happened because Two wizards were so obsessed with a prophecy they ended up self-fulfilling it and the whole conflict could have ended at any time if someone, ANYONE really, just bothered to be even the least bit proactive. Harry is essentially given PTSD and has a horrible childhood not because of unfortunate circumstances beyond anyone's control, but because of two idiots one whom is given too much credit in terms of wisdom and the other one is entirely overrated in terms of power.

Seriously 90% of all of Voldemort's kills were ambushes and underhanded tricks not dueling skill. his only impressive feat was being able to take on both Flitwick and McGonigal and I'd argue you could even debate the circumstances of that fight.
 

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Avada Kadavra could be blocked by simplistic armor or heck even a really dense shirt. and considering galactus is all armor except for maybe his face, yeah good luck. that's even assuming that his size wouldn't immediately dilute the spell by default.

Honestly the Retcon with snape kind of ruined the series for me because it essentially means that this whole story happened because Two wizards were so obsessed with a prophecy they ended up self-fulfilling it and the whole conflict could have ended at any time if someone, ANYONE really, just bothered to be even the least bit proactive. Harry is essentially given PTSD and has a horrible childhood not because of unfortunate circumstances beyond anyone's control, but because of two idiots one whom is given too much credit in terms of wisdom and the other one is entirely overrated in terms of power.

Seriously 90% of all of Voldemort's kills were ambushes and underhanded tricks not dueling skill. his only impressive feat was being able to take on both Flitwick and McGonigal and I'd argue you could even debate the circumstances of that fight.
Actually, Snape's whole thing falls well in line with the morality that the author was trying to sell. It was eye-rolling, but I can't say that it ruined it for me.

What ruined it for me is that Ron never died and somehow Hermonie found him attractive enough to fuck.

I mean, poor Ron should have been the first to die in the last book. That poor SOB was dragged through every book like a black man at a KKK rally and they just never put him out of my misery.
 

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Avada Kadavra could be blocked by simplistic armor or heck even a really dense shirt. and considering galactus is all armor except for maybe his face, yeah good luck. that's even assuming that his size wouldn't immediately dilute the spell by default.
Well that and the whole "being made of pure energy who once broke into hell and started eating it because he got annoyed Satan kidnapped some of his henchmen" bit.

It was a really dumb line of arguing.

Honestly the Retcon with snape kind of ruined the series for me because it essentially means that this whole story happened because Two wizards were so obsessed with a prophecy they ended up self-fulfilling it and the whole conflict could have ended at any time if someone, ANYONE really, just bothered to be even the least bit proactive. Harry is essentially given PTSD and has a horrible childhood not because of unfortunate circumstances beyond anyone's control, but because of two idiots one whom is given too much credit in terms of wisdom and the other one is entirely overrated in terms of power
Worse, it means the catalyst for the prophecy was some butthurt teenager who larped being an edge lord because he got friendzoned then had buyers remorse.
Seriously 90% of all of Voldemort's kills were ambushes and underhanded tricks not dueling skill. his only impressive feat was being able to take on both Flitwick and McGonigal and I'd argue you could even debate the circumstances of that fight.
It has been ages but the one or two times he throws down with people on his level don't really go well for him.
 
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It has been ages but the one or two times he throws down with people on his level don't really go well for him.
if your thinking of dumbledore it's actually worse than that. Dumbldore could have easily killed him but just...didn't. Voldemort was a B class wizard trying to pass himself off as an A class wizard.
 
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I always thought the HP universe was rather absurd and barely internally consistent, particularly towards the end.

Also, the fact no wizard ever thought to just fucking borrow a decent rifle from a muggle friend, or just straight up steal one and mindwind the muggles it belonged to, in order to end Voldy or the Death Eaters, was rather hard to believe.
 

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I always thought the HP universe was rather absurd and barely internally consistent, particularly towards the end.

Also, the fact no wizard ever thought to just fucking borrow a decent rifle from a muggle friend, or just straight up steal one and mindwind the muggles it belonged to, in order to end Voldy or the Death Eaters, was rather hard to believe.
This is Britain. They don't share the US's gun culture. The wizards are rpone to dismiss anything muggle-made as something "silly muggles with their strange beliefs". Their view on muggles is "barely sentient, only good for replentishing our numbers".
 
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This is Britain. They don't share the US's gun culture. The wizards are rpone to dismiss anything muggle-made as something "silly muggles with their strange beliefs". Their view on muggles is "barely sentient, only good for replenishing our numbers".
considering that this is in the 90s though you'd of thought the atom bomb or the semi-automatic rifle would have at least gotten the attention of at least a few wizards Especially that of MACUSA

"They have a weapon that matches Fiendfyre in terms of power, they have a projectile weapon that can kill a wizard before he has the chance to move an inch or say a syllable, and they have armor that could easily block a killing curse. Maybe these muggles aren't as stupid as we thought."

if we ran into a seemingly caveman level alien society that was capable of decimating our armies, at the very least we'd be wondering how they got those weapons and if it's possible to counteract them if not apply the tech to our own knowledge.

Edit: Not to mention every single wizard and witch has at least one muggle in their family if not several, even the so called "Purebloods."
 
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This is wildly off topic, but from what I understand, the top tier wizards are superhumanly fast, fast enough to bullet time on the easy.

Sucks for the other 99% though.
 

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This is wildly off topic, but from what I understand, the top tier wizards are superhumanly fast, fast enough to bullet time on the easy.

Sucks for the other 99% though.
Silencers/suppressors are a thing, as are hyper-sonic ammo.

Wizard cannot block or dodge shit they cannot see or hear coming.

This really reminds me of some of the debates that ended up happening in the Harry and the Shipgirls thread(s); Leferts had to do a lot of dumb author fiats and the like to dodge why wizards weren't getting pasted by muggles now that the memory wipe charms weren't working.

Muggles in the HP world have every fucking reason to Order 66 the whole magical world, after the shit they've done to muggles over the millennia, and the soyboys on SB cannot accept that because 'muh childrens book morality'.
 
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Silencers/suppressors are a thing, as are hyper-sonic ammo.

Wizard cannot block or dodge shit they cannot see or hear coming.

This really reminds me of some of the debates that ended up happening in the Harry and the Shipgirls thread(s); Leferts had to do a lot of dumb author fiats and the like to dodge why wizards weren't getting pasted by muggles now that the memory wipe charms weren't working.

Muggles in the HP world have every fucking reason to Order 66 the whole magical world, after the shit they've done to muggles over the millennia, and the soyboys on SB cannot accept that because 'muh childrens book morality'.
I made a Timeline for the Magical world in the US for a WIP RP I had. Bassically after the world wars, the magical world goes through massive cultural changes and events.

Unknown
Interhouse competitions begin at Ilvermorny
17th century
Immigration of European Muggles/No-Maj to North America

1692

Salem Witch Trials
Tragic trials and convictions of witches and wizards in North America by Puritans who believed that magic was the devil possessing the accused person. Many of the accused were actually magical, although some were merely unfortunate No-Majs. At least two Judges were known Scourers
1693


MACUSA founded
In 1693 after the International Statute of Secrecy was passed, American witches and wizards set up their own government known as the Magical Congress of the United States. This underground government totally separate from the No-Maj included representatives from magical groups all over North America, and was set up in.
circa

1693

Josiah Jackson recruits first MACUSA Aurors
The first president of MACUSA, Josiah Jackson, also set up the Department of Magical Law Enforcement for North America with a dozen volunteer Aurors who would risk their lives tracking down the Scourers responsible for the Salem Witch Trials
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1693

Josiah Jackson elected MACUSA President
When MACUSA was founded in 1693 soon after the Salem Witch Trials, Josiah Jackson became the first President (Pm). Read More
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1760s

Thornton Harkaway is President of MACUSA
Harkaway, a flamboyant Virginian, brings the Congress to his home town of Willimasburg. He leaves the Presidency in disgrace, however, after his pack of Crups attack some No-Majs. Read More

1760

MACUSA relocates to Williamsburg
The Magical Congress of the United States was housed in a secret edifice somewhere in the Appalachian Mountains until 1760, when it was relocated to Williamsburg, Virginia, the home of Thornton Harkaway, then President of MACUSA (Pm). Unfortunately for the local No-Maj population, President Harkaway raised Crups, a type of… Read More
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1761

Several No-Majs savaged by President Harkaway's crups
For two days after the attack, the Muggles were only able to bark. Harkaway was forced to resign as President of MACUSA as a result of this incident. Read More
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1770s
MACUSA relocates to Baltimore
During the 1770s, the Magical Congress of the United States relocated from Williamsburg, Virginia, to the city of Baltimore, Maryland, home of MACUSA President Able Fleming (Pm:MACUSA). This was a short-lived location due to the arrival of the No-Maj Continental Congress to the city.

1770s

Able Fleming is President of MACUSA
Fleming is a resident of Baltimore, Maryland, and MACUSA meets in that city until the outbreak of the Revolutionary War and the advent of the Continental Congress to Baltimore in 1776.
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1776
MACUSA relocates to Washington
Around 1776 when the Continental Congress moved to Baltimore during the Revolutionary War, the secret Magical Congress of the United States (MACUSA) decided it was time to move again, so they relocated to Washington. The move was followed by the “Country or Kind” debate of 1777 led by The President.
1777
American Witches and Wizards Engage in "Country or Kind" Debate
In 1777, MACUSA President Elizabeth McGilliguddy presided over a gathering of witches and wizards from all over North America for the “Country or Kind” Debate. Thousands arrived, so the Great Meeting Hall was expanded magically to hold them all. Their purpose was to debate whether they should give allegiance to… Read More
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1770s

Elizabeth McGillicuddy is President of MACUSA
President McGillicuddy presides over the “Country or Kind?” debate of 1777, when witches and wizards from all over North America decided whether or not to become involved in the American Revolutionary War. The Ministry of Magic in London sent a message saying “Sitting this one out.” President McGillicuddy responded.

1789

Bartholomew Barebone exposes the American Wizarding World
Barebone was a descendant of Scourers who believed that all witches and wizards should be killed. He befriends a gullible young witch named Dorcus Twelvetrees, plies her with seemingly innocent questions, then steals her wand and publishes the locations of both Ilvermorny and MACUSA headquarters. Dorcus serves a year in… Read More
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1790s

Emily Rappaport is President of MACUSA
Rappaport is the fifteenth president of MACUSA. In 1790, she puts in place the complete segregation of the magical and non-magical communities in the U.S. All contact is forbidden in what becomes known as Rappaport’s Law.

1790
Dorcus Twelvetrees spends a year in jail
After putting the entire magical community in danger by spilling its secrets to a descendent of scourers, the daughter of Aristotle Twelvetrees is imprisoned for one year. Many in the magical community wish to see Dorcus killed or locked away for the rest of her life for her foolishness.
1790

Rappaport's Law is instituted
Put in place in 1790 by MACUSA President Emily Rappaport in order to completely sever ties between the Wizarding and No-Maj communities in America. Thus, the American magical community became completely segregated, unlike the European Wizarding World where inter-Muggle marriage and government cooperation were allowed (Pm). Read More

1892

Great Sasquatch Rebellion of 1892
An uprising by the hairy giants of North America which caused the Magical Congress of the United States (MACUSA) to move operations from Washington to New York City . The blame for this is generally placed on Irene Kneedander.

1892
MACUSA Headquarters Relocated
In 1892, or shortly thereafter, the MACUSA headquarters are relocated from Washington to New York. Read More
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1900


MACUSA relocates to New York

Following the 1892 Sasquatch uprising, MACUSA moved its headquarters from Washington to the newly built Woolworth Building in New York City (Pm). When the building was under construction, wizards joined the construction crew. Thanks to these undercover wizards, the Woolworth building was not only a building for No-Majs, it also… Read More
1920

Seraphina Picquery becomes President of MACUSA

Picquery is an extremely competent and accomplished witch who guides the United States magical community through the difficult years of the rise of Grindelwald and the catastrophic attacks of the Obscurial in New York City in 1926. She leaves office in 1928 (WFT, Pm). Read More
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1926
Tina takes Newt in to MACUSA headquarters
Tina Goldstein arrests Newt Scamander after he uses various spells in the presence of Jacob Kolwalski and fails to Obliviate him — and nearly loses a niffler in the process. No one at MACUSA will listen to her report except Percival Graves, who come down to her tiny office to… Read More
1927

Picquery issues a Protective Order on Thunderbirds
President Picquery issues this order after her encounter with Frank, the Thunderbird that Newt Scamander was transporting in his magical case. She later extends this protective order to all magical creatures in the United States.

1933-1941

A desperate cry for help from Jewish witches and wizards catches attention of MACUSA and its president Cody Montgomery. After sending some Auras to investigate Germany they discover Adolf Hitler's Endgame and discover his regime is being influenced by a strange shadowy organization that has many Dark Wizards in it's ranks. Though MACUSA does not official declare it's involvement the Second Great War, It willingly turns a blind eye to any witch or Wizard choosing to aid the No-Maj British government in the war effort. Rappaport's Law is temporally suspended so that Aurors can aid in saving both muggle and magical victims of the holocaust. All together over 3,000,000 people are saved from this action.

1941

The American No-Maj government official enters The Second Great War. President Montgomery declares MACUSA involvment in the war effort. Unlike it's No-Maj counterpart, MACUSA distances itself from Russia as sources provide evidence that the Shadowy cult that helped Hitler's rise to power may be trying to catalyze fascist and communist revolutions around the world. Firearms soon become introduced to American Auras.

1946

Both the muggle world and the wizarding world are left shaken as the first weaponized nuclear bombs are dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The devastation creates a hot debate regarding No-Maj/wizard relations and what might happen in a theoretical war. President Montgomery steps down after his 3rd term. and is succeeded by popular wizard war hero Michael Daily.

1946

for the first time since Rappaport's Law was enacted, President Daily secretly meets with American muggle president Harry S. Truman and Joseph McCarthy. After revealing the information what MACUSA had learned about Dark Wizard influence behind the Russian revolution the leader of this unknown cult seems to be a French Witch named Selene LeBlanc. Also according to magical intelligence. Selene has declared that the Russian revolution was "only a small taste of what's to come." The three agree to do whatever they can to stop the spread of communism but will not risk open conflict for fear of exposing wizard kind. This new "Cold War" begins. While Rappaport's Law is still on the books for the next nineteen years, muggle and wizard segregation is never enforced and meetings between magical and no-maj government officials become more and more open.

1965

Rappaport's Law is repealed. Before that, Wizards could not mingle with No-Maj, whether as friends or married couples. Magical children could not have a wand before attending Ilvermorny School, and they were not allowed to take their wands home during breaks.

1966

The American wizarding world discovers a growing fascination with No-Maj music, pop culture and technology. Though met with resistance by traditionalist, the pros soon seem to outweigh the cons in the eyes of most with the introduction of things like the medical syringe needle and the Pen. activities of no-maj origin such as Baseball and hot rodding become favorite pass times in the American wizarding world.

1968

Protest erupt as a young vampire girl is brutally assaulted by a mob and burned at the stake. The event causes a widespread protest with groups advocating equal rights be given to all sentient beings as opposed to just wizards and no-maj.

1970

due to existing social unrest, MACUSA quickly shuts down any motions to aid their no-maj counterpart in the Vietnam war.

1976

President Jack Sage is caught having an affair with a soviet dark witch spy. He resigns from office before he has the chance to be impeached and his vice president, Clnt Matthews finishes out the remainder of the term.


1981

Texas Apple farmer and Sentience Rights activist Lauren Applejack becomes the next president of MACUSA after a landslide victory in her Presidential race against Clnt Matthews. She reinvigorates the effort to stop communism and becomes close friends with No-Maj America's President Ronald Regan.


1984

With the discovery of a new potion called Wolfsbane in Great Britian, MACUSA combines it with its own knowledge of syringe needles, and as a result discovers a quick and easy method for werewolves to be integrated into normal society, with this discovery President Apple Jack and MACUSA waste no time in passing the Equal rights for sentient creatures' amendment.

1984

President Applejack is elected for a 2nd term in another landslide victory. certain Japanese no-maj cultural passtimes such as Manga and Anime become popular among American magical youth.

1986

The American quidditch team wins the world cup under their seeker and captain Maximus Brankovitch III

1988

President Applejack is elected for a 3rd term. For the first time in over sixty years, serious research is underway to understand voodoo.

1990

Selene LeBlanc is discovered in Berlin and a strike force led personally by President Applejack goes to capture her. After a brutal duel between Applejack and Leblanc, Leblanc is captured. She is quickly found guilty of crimes against both magical and non-magical beings and is sentenced to death. Though her last words indicate that she was not the leader but rather "a single head."


1991

Without the influence of LeBlanc the Soviet Union quickly collapses. Remaining communist sympathies are quickly stamped out in the American Wizard World. The cold war is declared over.

1992

cheered by the people as "The Woman who won the Cold War" President Applejack is elected for a 4th term in a landslide election
 
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Look man if we are gonna reboot Rowlings HPverse to be less retarded there has to be a dark lord whose rise to power centers around making magical drugs.

I mean for heavens sake the story takes place in the 90s :ROFLMAO:
"Snowflake will rise again!!!"

on a serious note, I don't think Voldemort should have been the bad guy for ALL SEVEN books. He should have been defeated early on especially if Dumbledore suspected horcruxes after the Chamber of Secrets Fiasco. books 3 & 4 should have been Dumbledore teaming up with the remnants of the Order of the Phoenix taking down horcruxes in the background and Voldemort himself should have suffered his final death at the combined hands of Harry and Dumbledore at the end of book 5. You can still have his legacy be felt for a while in books 6 & 7 ( Have Bellatrix or maybe Lucius lead the remnants of the death eaters in a desperate but ultimately defiant last stand, Like how Harley Quinn tried to avenge the joker after his death in the Arkham series) but having him be a threat the whole time just made everyone but the main characters look stupid.
 
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My brother in law, who is a huge Lord of the Rings fan, has often said Voldemort is probably the most incompetent villain in fantasy. Making him coherent and intimidating instead of a honking, screaming, discount magical Hitler, is a tall order.
Yeah, as I said he's so incoherent you can't figure out what his big evil motivation actually is.
 

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Part of the issue with HP being consistent is that it very deliberately isn't, the series was written so that the first book is suitable for a tween and each book afterwards is slightly more mature until it hits late teen action-adventure by the ending. This was incredibly clever and allowed a generation to grow up with the series instead of leaving it behind, but inevitably when taken as a whole the series is incoherent as heck, it's like trying to write an Eldritch Horror tale and transitioning to having the sequel being a Bodice Ripper romance novel.

I do agree, Voldemort shouldn't have been present as much as he was. He was fine for the ending but before that, the villain scheme should have concentrated on appropriate threats for the age level the book was set at. Draco should have been more of a threat rather than laughable at first, a school bully being the right escalation level for a young reader novel, and then escalated from him to mean teachers, then physically dangerous threats, and then Voldemort only coming out at all in the end. It feels like that's kinda where she meant to go but couldn't keep him from pushing in too much too early on.
 

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I do agree, Voldemort shouldn't have been present as much as he was. He was fine for the ending but before that, the villain scheme should have concentrated on appropriate threats for the age level the book was set at. Draco should have been more of a threat rather than laughable at first, a school bully being the right escalation level for a young reader novel, and then escalated from him to mean teachers, then physically dangerous threats, and then Voldemort only coming out at all in the end. It feels like that's kinda where she meant to go but couldn't keep him from pushing in too much too early on.
Riddlemort woulda been a better direction to take Voldy as well. This murderous psychopath with good looks and a dark charisma to him ... infinitely preferable to the cackling Skeletor-esque bad guy we got.
 
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