Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

[Airedale260]

we may not massively disagree with each other then. Perhaps only on a few smaller points.

I don't disagree that there were some bad actors in the crowd.

Some were antifa themselves, there to rile people up. Plenty were just angry right wingers. Also I don't give anyone a free pass just because provocateurs were in the crowd. They made their own choices.

But I do not agree with Largo's description of these events, or that they'd have killed a senator If they saw one.

And I don't agree with them being held without bail for 6 months, some without even having charges brought against them. This is a legal travesty and it's just wrong...because antifa/BLM rioters all summer were let free with charges dropped. A few right wingers step out of line? They're still in jail six months later. It's disgusting.

Also, I thoroughly reject the coup/insurrection narrative. Which we seem to agree on. My position is that this was a peaceful protest with a few assholes who got out of hand. That's actually an accurate description for (some of) the BLM demonstrations, too.

Yeah, sounds like we're mostly on the same page. I haven't seen much to convince me that Antifa or anyone else was there in any meaningful way to act as provacatuers, and I do believe that some of the people there quite possibly would have killed certain politicians if they'd bumped into them, I even think that some of the more militant loons may have hoped to do exactly that. I do agree that it's ridiculous to think of it as any kind of organised or planned situation though.

I'd want to know more about the specifics of someone being held 6 months without charge, because that sounds too insane on the face of it for me to not assume some misrepresentation or context, but if I do accept it at face value then I'd absolutely agree it's a travesty.

I'm quoting these in this thread because it's actually dedicated to this. Anyway...

As far as the "being held without charges" I believe what's being referred to is actually federal prosecutors misleading judges to deny bail on the basis that the defendants were actively involved in rioting (like the Q-Shaman or Babbitt*) as opposed to just wandering in and getting hit with a trespassing charge. It's one of those issues that's highly unethical but hasn't been actually declared unconstitutional because the courts haven't ruled on that (the procedure in place is SUPPOSED to be the DOJ OIG and internal ethics watchdogs slapping them down but that's kind of broken down). I remember reading it on National Review but I couldn't find the actual story.

I should add that this is not unique to cases related to 1/6; it's been an ongoing thing because federal prosecutors want to appear tough. They did the same thing with the wife of the Pulse Nightclub shooter, claiming she was involved, when not only wasn't she involved, but had been a domestic abuse victim for many years. Likewise it turned out that it wasn't a hate crime; the guy just Googled "closest nightclub" without knowing it was a gay bar. But that would have meant labeling it an "ISIS-inspired attack" and looking like they'd fallen down on the job again, whereas labeling it a hate crime and a random shooter means they can help advance two preferred narratives at once.

 

[BlackDragon98]

You really need to be more clear, but if I'm understanding you right you mean to say that they (Or their families.) won their legal cases and got a payout because there was rioting? Do you have anything to suggest there's a causative relation, rather than just correlation? Coz, ya know, a bunch of people have also won cases and received settlements when there was no rioting at all, and other times when there's been riots there was not huge payouts.

They won because of all the riots that were set off by her death.

It's increasingly becoming a trend, with BLM and Antifa having virtual control over certain cities and counties.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Trump also mentioned that he spoke to Babbitt's mother.

 

[King Arts]

Oh shit, the Left and the Media is probably gonna be seething over this.

While what Trump is saying is true but wasen't the name of the guy who shot her discovered? The media did not cover it but the chief of the capitol police accidently let it out.

The second point about people being in jail for January 6 is spot on. However I'm having trouble trusting Trump because it seems like he is just stirring shit for his own benefit without risk to him. I mean he was still president on January 6th Biden was not sworn in yet. He could have done a mass pardon for all the protestors but he did not.

 

[Megadeath]

Trump also mentioned that he spoke to Babbitt's mother.

Well, that's just wrong though? There's been less than 500 arrests related to the January incident, and more than 14,000 associated with the various riots and protests.

 

[Captain X]

Well, that's just wrong though? There's been less than 500 arrests related to the January incident, and more than 14,000 associated with the various riots and protests.

And how many of those were just released without charge? How many of the 1/6 people are still being held without charge or bail?

 

[Megadeath]

And how many of those were just released without charge? How many of the 1/6 people are still being held without charge or bail?

Do you have an answer yourself?

 

[Captain X]

I know almost all of the antifa types were either released without charge or were released on bail almost immediately due to fundraising specifically for that purpose. I also know a lot of the 1/6 people are being held without charge and have thus not had bail set.

 

[Megadeath]

I know almost all of the antifa types were either released without charge or were released on bail almost immediately due to fundraising specifically for that purpose. I also know a lot of the 1/6 people are being held without charge and have thus not had bail set.

Do you have any evidence for either claim?

 

[Captain X]

Where have you been that you haven't been seeing any of this in the media? Tell you what, if you really want a good read, you should look through Andy Ngo's "Unmasked." If you're looking for something a bit quicker, there's this article from Brietbart I found with just a quick internet search. I really, really hope you won't just be the typical leftist and just dismiss it because of who published it. Here is an article about the 1/6 protestors being held without bail, which, again, was found just using a quick internet search. Here is one about one in particular who filmed himself in Pelosi's office. Contrast this with the violence and destruction seen in Portland and other cities across the country, including DC itself, which was literally on fire during the summer of 2020.

 

[Megadeath]

Where have you been that you haven't been seeing any of this in the media? Tell you what, if you really want a good read, you should look through Andy Ngo's "Unmasked." If you're looking for something a bit quicker, there's this article from Brietbart I found with just a quick internet search. I really, really hope you won't just be the typical leftist and just dismiss it because of who published it. Here is an article about the 1/6 protestors being held without bail, which, again, was found just using a quick internet search. Here is one about one in particular who filmed himself in Pelosi's office. Contrast this with the violence and destruction seen in Portland and other cities across the country, including DC itself, which was literally on fire during the summer of 2020.

None of that really speaks about numbers, even if we just take it all at face value. I may have missed something, but I also didn't see anything about people being held without charges at all?

As an aside, it's hardly a phenomenon unique to either end of the political spectrum to dismiss evidence based on the source, and I'd say there's a lot more that's generally discounted by the right leaning than the left, so that was kind of an unworthy thing to say.

 

[DarthOne]

Trump also mentioned that he spoke to Babbitt's mother.

Better late than never.

 

[LordSunhawk]

We now have video of the start of the 'violent riot'... which didn't start inside the capital, there was almost no 'violence' at all. It started in the Mall, right near the inauguration stage, where dastardly Trump supporters were violently standing behind crowd control barriers and doing the unspeakably evil threat to our democracy of... singing the National Anthem. When brave, heroic Capital Police officers, responding to this unspeakable threat, began firing flash bangs and tear gas into the crowd.

REVEALED: Images of Police Officer Firing Flash Bombs at Peaceful Trump Supporters Including Seniors, Women and Children on Jan. 6 (VIDEO)

As we reported earlier — On Jan. 6 Capitol Police started firing flash grenades and rubber bullets at peaceful protesters with US and MAGA flags. From the video you can see the protesters are NOT on the Capitol steps and were behind barriers. There were children, veterans and seniors in the...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Rocinante]

We now have video of the start of the 'violent riot'... which didn't start inside the capital, there was almost no 'violence' at all. It started in the Mall, right near the inauguration stage, where dastardly Trump supporters were violently standing behind crowd control barriers and doing the unspeakably evil threat to our democracy of... singing the National Anthem. When brave, heroic Capital Police officers, responding to this unspeakable threat, began firing flash bangs and tear gas into the crowd.

REVEALED: Images of Police Officer Firing Flash Bombs at Peaceful Trump Supporters Including Seniors, Women and Children on Jan. 6 (VIDEO)

As we reported earlier — On Jan. 6 Capitol Police started firing flash grenades and rubber bullets at peaceful protesters with US and MAGA flags. From the video you can see the protesters are NOT on the Capitol steps and were behind barriers. There were children, veterans and seniors in the...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

This is why I would support a January 6th commission/investigation, if there was ANY CHANCE AT ALL that it wouldn't just be a political vendetta against the right.

 

[prinCZess]

where dastardly Trump supporters were violently standing behind crowd control barriers and doing the unspeakably evil threat to our democracy of... singing the National Anthem.

I will note that included in the second video are members of the crowd 'sneaking'/processing into the undersides of a big section of scaffolding that went behind the police line at the bottom of the steps to the Capitol building--presumably somewhere they're not supposed to be. And that seems to be the thing that inspired some of the flashbanging and/or teargassing caught in that video.

How competently those measures were used could be hit on since the flashbangs hit behind the people getting into the scaffolding (and, really, if they weren't supposed to be there a cordon or continuation of the blocking railing should've been established...Maybe there was some tape that got torn up and thrown aside by the crowd before the video shows the area, I suppose. But Capitol Police being incompetent and then responding incompetently would be so unsurprising to me that I have no proper expression for how unsurprised I would be).

AND, notably, the above from me is in reference to the second video and images of the Police deploying the grenades, the first video of a flashbang landing it is being deployed on folks who are a notable and significant distance away from the scaffolding-people and are a good distance behind the barrier the police erected--so there's not that arguable point of justification visible and it looks much more blatantly like police doing a(nother) dumb.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Bill Cosby backs former co-star Phylicia Rashad and calls the mainstream media 'Insurrectionists who stormed the Capitol' in bizarre July 4 tirade

Rashad's remarks celebrating Cosby's release drew immediate ire and Howard University, where Rashad is employed, condemned her statement last week.

www.insider.com

He's got a grudge.

 

[Cherico]

Bill Cosby backs former co-star Phylicia Rashad and calls the mainstream media 'Insurrectionists who stormed the Capitol' in bizarre July 4 tirade

Rashad's remarks celebrating Cosby's release drew immediate ire and Howard University, where Rashad is employed, condemned her statement last week.

www.insider.com

He's got a grudge.

The mainstream media did railroad him and fuck him over, so its reasonable he's pissed.

 

[LindyAF]

If you guys want to simp for bill cosby, you ought to make another thread for it.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Where have you been that you haven't been seeing any of this in the media? Tell you what, if you really want a good read, you should look through Andy Ngo's "Unmasked." If you're looking for something a bit quicker, there's this article from Brietbart I found with just a quick internet search. I really, really hope you won't just be the typical leftist and just dismiss it because of who published it. Here is an article about the 1/6 protestors being held without bail, which, again, was found just using a quick internet search. Here is one about one in particular who filmed himself in Pelosi's office. Contrast this with the violence and destruction seen in Portland and other cities across the country, including DC itself, which was literally on fire during the summer of 2020.

I think you're missing the core dispute. The question isn't over some rioters getting out of jail or having charges and some not, the question is if proportionally more right wing rioters are getting hit as compared to left wing ones, which those articles don't mention.

 

[Husky_Khan]

The US Capitol Police are opening foekd offices in Florida and California to help better investigate threats to Congress.

Capitol Police Establishing Field Offices To Investigate Threats Against Lawmakers

The United States Capitol Police announced Tuesday that it was establishing field offices in California and Florida to investigate threats against lawmakers.

dailycaller.com

No word yet on when they'll get nuclear armed F-15's.