Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

Spartan303 said:
Enrique Tarrio was sentenced to 22 years.


www.foxnews.com

Former Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio sentenced to 22 years for Jan. 6 attack

Former Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio will spend more than two decades behind bars after he was found guilty of seditious conspiracy.
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Tim Pool is saying the dude wasn't even there nor in contact with anyone who was. But later stated support for Jan 6 protests. And for this he's given 22 years.
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Not looking to see if Tim Poole mentions the reason for his lack of presence and involvement on that specific day - he'd already been arrested by the Feds for something else.
 
bintananth said:
Not looking to see if Tim Poole mentions the reason for his lack of presence and involvement on that specific day - he'd already been arrested by the Feds for something else.
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I actually wasn't following his situation at all. So please enlighten us to what the actual reason was.
 
Spartan303 said:
I actually wasn't following his situation at all. So please enlighten us to what the actual reason was.
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Why he wasn't in DC that day:

apnews.com

Judge bans Proud Boys leader from Washington after arrest

WASHINGTON (AP) — A judge has banned the leader of the Proud Boys, a far-right extremist group, from the nation’s capital after he was accused of vandalizing a Black Lives Matter banner at a historic Black church and found with high-capacity firearm magazines when he was arrested.
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I don't know all the particular details of his case related to Jan 6th ... Seditious Conspiracy, however, is something serious a ringleader and/or organizer can get nailed with even if they're absent when "the fecal matter hits the fan".
 
DarthOne said:
Well, note to self, don’t buy anything from Liberty Safe.
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This one comes down to "read the fine print". Any electronic safe where the manufacturer offers a "universal" reset or code request service by definition must have a manufacturers' override code of some form to enable that. Liberty always did:

And even if you haven't completed the registration, you have a chance to get the problem fixed. For that, you need to download, print and fill in the Combination Key Request Form. Then you should have it notarized that will prove your identity. And lastly, you are to pay for the service. After Liberty receives the form and payment, they will be able to send you the required combo for opening your Liberty gun safe by email in 3-5 business days
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And I'd point out that as long as you're aware it exists, this is a security tradeoff to decide for yourself. What matters to you more, becacuse having that combination reset/retrieve capability could potentially save you having to hire a locksmith to break into your own safe, and the difference in security against a government warrant is literally only, "If they have legal authority to get into the safe, they WILL get into the safe because they're allowed to use force against it. Not being able to get an override request on the authority of a court issued warrant is really just an inconvenience to them."
 
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ShadowArxxy said:
This one comes down to "read the fine print". Any electronic safe where the manufacturer offers a "universal" reset or code request service by definition must have a manufacturers' override code of some form to enable that. Liberty always did:



And I'd point out that as long as you're aware it exists, this is a security tradeoff to decide for yourself. What matters to you more, becacuse having that combination reset/retrieve capability could potentially save you having to hire a locksmith to break into your own safe, and the difference in security against a government warrant is literally only, "If they have legal authority to get into the safe, they WILL get into the safe because they're allowed to use force against it. Not being able to get an override request on the authority of a court issued warrant is really just an inconvenience to them."
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Just delete everything in the safe, it works when it comes to email servers.
 
Ixian said:
Just delete everything in the safe, it works when it comes to email servers.
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This is a physical safe only it has an electronic lock not say a combination lock. But you could delete what is in it. It would take time and a paper shredder or bonfire.
 
Ixian said:
Exactly, and as has been repeatedly determined by the courts, if you destroy the items they want to look at, they can't do anything!

Or is that only for political families?
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That's perfectly legal, but a gun safe rigged with automated self-destruct system would be a giant pain in the ass to use and certainly not in sufficient demand to be a commercial product.

There are also rules about destruction of evidence. IANAL, but in general, they can't retroactively bust you for "destruction of evidence" for regularly and routinely deleting things that you don't need to keep records of as a matter of security housekeeping, but they often can if they can prove you did have evidence in your possession that you specifically destroyed to prevent its examination, and they absolutely can if it was already under court order at the time.

(Basically -- if you can prove that you don't keep long term records of X and regularly purge your short term records, they can't fault you for that. They absolutely *can* fault you if you have records of X, those records are subpoened, and you destroy the records instead of turning them over. Cases in between those extremes are going to be specific precedent.)
 
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Huh. That's interesting. So why do I need to keep 6 years of financial records in case of an IRS audit? If I just regularly destroy all my financial records every month as a matter of course, I'm in the clear then?
 
posh-goofiness said:
Huh. That's interesting. So why do I need to keep 6 years of financial records in case of an IRS audit? If I just regularly destroy all my financial records every month as a matter of course, I'm in the clear then?
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Huh, I think the key thing would be that the cops destroyed it, you may have a legal argument there, but as @Terthna points out, I wouldn't want to test it, there are tiers of justice in the US.
 
DarthOne said:
notthebee.com

Liberty Safe issues apology, change in policy after handing backdoor access to the FBI

Yesterday, Liberty Safe landed in major hot water when many accused the company of sacrificing the security of their customers and bending to the feds with no pushback.
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Too late.
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Kinda. I'm of two minds of this. One, I don't know that I can trust them in the future anymore. On the other hand, ensuring that people have a way out of the problem is how you creating a winning threat.
 
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