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Husky_Khan

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Speaking of extraneous casting...

Rumors came true apparently.



Poor Harrison Ford. Why would he do this to himself? Just look at the comments and all of the people who are strangely enthusiastic about him being cast as a minor character in Captain America 4 of all things. Especially since they're just going to CGI Red Hulk him sooner or later apparently. And Sam Elliot is still alive as well... smh. :p


So Captain America: New World Order which will have Sam Wilson as the new Captain America, will apparently have Harrison Ford's General "Thunderbolt" Ross fulfilling some sort of antagonistic role. And this'll likely setup Thunderbolt Ross into becoming the 'Red Hulk' as per the comics... so that means Harrison Ford won't have to come back for the role.

Anyways... this film isn't expected for a while now, not until the tail end of Phase Five or whatever.

 

Husky_Khan

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Ant-Man: Quantumania is getting the second worst rating from critics of all MCU films which is actually pretty true to form with Phase Four films as the current 55% rating from Rotten Tomatoes would put it behind Thor Love & Thunder which got a barely fresh rating of 64% and came out last year and 2021's The Eternals which had the lowest rating of an MCU film with 47%.

The reviews apparently aren't trashing the film, but a more common consensus is that the movie is just a middling effort, recycling tropes common to MCU films. It had a lot of 'scale' but lack a 'spark of fun' that the earlier Ant-man films had. A lot of terms like "muddled, chaotic, uneven, supersized and noisy' were used as adjectives, and often not in flattering terms when compared to the smaller scale stories of the prior Ant-man films.

 

Argent

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Honestly that sounds about right for all of Phase 4 movies. So far about the only one to stand out are Doctor Strange and Spider-Man. The other have mainly been meh. Not really horrible but nothing great. Even Black Panther 2 will be forgotten about because amount of pushing blackness of the movie will make it a classic.

This comes from three main things I think. Frist is the lack of strong leaders. There is no Ironman to lead the Avengers and tie everything together. They wanted Captain Marvel but no amount of PR could make up for a lack of acting. So the new movies are mainly about heros that are smaller then Captain America or Ironman.

Next is that the frist phases where extremely well planned inculding t.v. tie ins all leading up to Endgame. It was a complete story that spwaned over a decade of movies and t.v shows in a shared world. Phase has lost that feeling.


Last is some burn out. Really weare getting into almost two decades of Marvel movies with multiple ones coming out every year. Even fans want something new after a while.
 

The Whispering Monk

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This comes from three main things I think. Frist is the lack of strong leaders. There is no Ironman to lead the Avengers and tie everything together. They wanted Captain Marvel but no amount of PR could make up for a lack of acting. So the new movies are mainly about heros that are smaller then Captain America or Ironman.
Doctor Strange would have been a fantastic leader if given the right buildup.
 

Argent

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Doctor Strange would have been a fantastic leader if given the right buildup.

True, I liked the frist one a lot but overall it was a forgotten movie in the age of bigger hits like Captain 2.

He needed more then a end scene in a Thor movie. A second movie with some greater tie in to T.V. series could have set him up.
 

ParadiseLost

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True, I liked the frist one a lot but overall it was a forgotten movie in the age of bigger hits like Captain 2.

He needed more then a end scene in a Thor movie. A second movie with some greater tie in to T.V. series could have set him up.
And he needed a second movie that focused on him more than Scarlet Witch.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Ant-Man: Quantumania is getting the second worst rating from critics of all MCU films which is actually pretty true to form with Phase Four films as the current 55% rating from Rotten Tomatoes would put it behind Thor Love & Thunder which got a barely fresh rating of 64% and came out last year and 2021's The Eternals which had the lowest rating of an MCU film with 47%.

The reviews apparently aren't trashing the film, but a more common consensus is that the movie is just a middling effort, recycling tropes common to MCU films. It had a lot of 'scale' but lack a 'spark of fun' that the earlier Ant-man films had. A lot of terms like "muddled, chaotic, uneven, supersized and noisy' were used as adjectives, and often not in flattering terms when compared to the smaller scale stories of the prior Ant-man films.


I felt that all the Ant-Man movies were mediocre at best and really did not have any "spark of fun" at all. Quantumania simply double-jumps the shark that Ant-Man jumped from the beginning.
 

Agent23

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I felt that all the Ant-Man movies were mediocre at best and really did not have any "spark of fun" at all. Quantumania simply double-jumps the shark that Ant-Man jumped from the beginning.
When even the paid shills can give it 5/10 at best then you know it is worse crap than the average Serbian or Turkish film school movie.

The question is, will it be the straw that finally, finally breaks the camel's back.
 

ShadowArxxy

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With the original Ant-Man movie, my dislike of the movie ends up being rooted in the fact that there is literally no reason to side with Ant-Man other than him being the protagonist. The "villain" is completely in the right, the "hero" is completely in the wrong, there isn't even any heroic cause to give a "bigger picture".
 

The Whispering Monk

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With the original Ant-Man movie, my dislike of the movie ends up being rooted in the fact that there is literally no reason to side with Ant-Man other than him being the protagonist. The "villain" is completely in the right, the "hero" is completely in the wrong, there isn't even any heroic cause to give a "bigger picture".
Seems to be the typical thing woth Hollywood/Disney...destruction of the Hero.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Seems to be the typical thing woth Hollywood/Disney...destruction of the Hero.

It's not even that. It's supposed to be a "petty thief trying to turn his life around and do better for his kid's sake", only he . . . just doesn't actually do anything that's actually better.

The "villain" is the rightful owner of the shrink tech and had every right to create and use the Yellowjacket suit; Lang ends up murdering him pretty much because Pym told him to, and Pym's only motive in the entire movie is that he's a narcissistic asshole scientist who think he should have sole control of all shrink tech forever even though he was *at best* co-inventor.
 

Husky_Khan

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Er doomcock can be hit or miss though when he is right, he's really right.

Haven't seen it yet but its one of those films where seeing both trailers made me less excited to actually watch the film, because I was pretty firmly in the camp of wanting to see it up until the trailers released and then I was ambivalent because like I said before, it looks like a big ol' uninspired CGI fest. Lotta scale, no substance while the previous Ant-Man films were far more focused. The reviews coming out have pretty much killed my interest in seeing the film.

And having seen (and barely remembering) Kang's first appearance in the Loki TV series, having him or a version of him setup as the Big Bad in this film was less then enthusiastic to me as well. So I'll probably pass on it, which is kinda unfortunate because I really did enjoy the previous Ant-Man films and the characters of Scott Lang and young Cassie, and Hope and the wild Dad Hank Pym. But seems to be the standard pace of Phase Four films. If they did an even worse job with Thor and Dr. Strange then before, why should Ant-Man be any different.
 
So I saw Ant man 3and yeah the split between critics and audiences checks out. I thought it was decent but my dad hated it. Honestly though after Eternals doctor strange and love and thunder my expectations were probably low. It honestly felt more like a Star Wars movie than the entire sequel trilogy did.

the end-credit scenes just ended up being a teaser for loki season 2. Not near as good as anything from phase 1 but better than the majority of phase 4. (I honestly consider Black widow to be closer to phase 3/3.5 so I'm not really counting it as part of phase 4)
 
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