Middle East News Thread

[Poe]

Considering your ability of writing I doubt I fit in that category.
ability of writing

Ironic.

 

[Zachowon]

Are you guys going to make them wish they hadn't done that?

I sure hope so

I am making hypotheticals not asking you to trust me and I admit often that I could be wrong. And it is not like the US administrations of the past two decades had any proof to justify its presence in the area, or that any of its mercs had an actual reason to be there.

Iran has been using its proxies against us for decades

If memory serves right you were one of those who said you were in Syria still to fight ISIS. Aren't you guys doing that?

Also, Fighting ongoing in Syria’s Hassakeh as SDF raids ISIL hideouts they were active as far as 2 years ago, so there is reasonable evidence that they could still be around.

Look's who talking...didn't you attack Syria repeatedly and without reason?

Yeah.
The drone that attacked the base is to big to be that of ISIL

 

[49ersfootball]

Source: Even More Literally Trust (Just) Me Bro.

United States Senator Tom Cotton (R-AR) putting the Biden administration on full-blast & rightfully so!

 

[Marduk]

AFAIK, there is still a few ISIS/Daesh units in Syria.

Or a former US-EU-friendly proxy that bit the hands that fed them.

Plus, it is safe to assume that Biden is completely fabricating the issue, without evidence as well. What better distraction for an asinine admin than "we are under attack by a foreign country?".

As well as the possibility of a false flag "Northwoods" style.

No, it is not safe to assume that, and i'm about to show to you how unsafe it was. The existence of asshole democrats in Washington in no way, shape or form prevents the existence or activity of assholes in Tehran and their proxies. The world is huge, there's room for many gangs of assholes, Washington can only wish to have a monopoly.

No proof of Iran-backing beyond of a trust-me bro.

You could *at least* read fucking wikipedia before shooting off like that.

Tower 22 drone attack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In the aftermath of the attack, U.S. officials assessed that one of several Iranian-supported groups had launched the attack, although it did not specifically identify the precise group responsible.[10]

Later in the day, the Islamic Resistance in Iraq, an umbrella group of Iranian-backed factions, claimed that it had launched attacks on three military bases, including one on the Jordan-Syria border.[2][10] However, the U.S. said the attack on Tower 22 was the only attack on its forces that it had tracked that day.[10]

Aftermath

According to Omar Abu Layla, a European activist and the head of the Deir Ezzor 24 media outlet, Iran-backed fighters in eastern Syria began evacuating their posts in fear of retaliatory US strikes.[11]

Islamic Resistance in Iraq - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Husky_Khan]

Why would we believe Iran? Iranians lie all the time. Just like Biden!

 

[Scottty]

Why would we believe Iran? Iranians lie all the time. Just like Biden!

The average Iranian is almost certainly more aware of reality and the distinction between truth and falsehood than is Joe Biden.

 

[LordsFire]

The average Iranian is almost certainly more aware of reality and the distinction between truth and falsehood than is Joe Biden.

The average Iranian isn't senile, so that's no great accomplishment.

 

[Husky_Khan]

The average Iranian isn't senile, so that's no great accomplishment.

Some of them though...

 

[Husky_Khan]

US Representative for the State of Minnesota Ilhan Omar Seems Open to Opening a Two Front War in the Red Sea.



For context Ilhan Omar's clan and family legacy hails from the Marxist-Soviet backed Siad Barre dictatorship that ruled Somalia until 1991 and engaged in bloody Wars with its neighbors including Ethiopia due to the desire to unite all Somali people into one Dictatorship under his rule. After Barre was desposed, clans like the one Ilhan Omar belong to suffered some repression in the ensuing decades of warlordism which is why Ilhan Omar and her brother-husband among others fled their shithole country to America.

Ironically despite her Clan being the victim of Warlordism and manmade famine and thus a beneficiary of the UN/US Intervention in the region, she still has of course naturallty decried American humanitarian intervention in Somalia as Colonialism decades after the fact. But that's besides the point.

What Ilhan Omar is calling for here is the reunification of Somalia. Some time ago, the northern part of Somalia known as Somaliland, had its shit together a fair bit more then the rest of the country and is de facto independent. Somaliland has been a democratically governed land that compromises of most of Northern Somalia. Despite not being a recognized country, it has informal recognition and economic ties, including with Taiwan ironically. During the Somali Piracy crisis, it also played host to private security contractors to combat piracy and unlike the rest of Somalia, the Islamist Al-Shabaab insurgency isn't nearly as big a concern there. So it's been relatively stable. Its been actively seeking more economic ties with the United States, Taiwan, Sweden, as well as its neighbors and even the Libertarian LARP micronation of Lederland. Recently Somaliland has been pursuing a port access deal with Ethiopia which would give Ethiopia more access to the sea that it needs and boost Somaliland's influence in the Horn of Africa greatly, enhancing its own security and standing in the region.

So naturally, true Somalis like Ilhan Omar and other Somali refugees who fled their shithole part country want to reabsorb Somaliland into their home country.

Ilhan Omar, at the end of the speech, also states she wants to pursue irredentist claims elsewhere. That is referring to Ethiopia, Tanzania and Kenya which ironically, are currently investing a considerable amount of blood and treasure into fighting Al-Shabaab in Somalia (obviously largely out of self interest so Islamism doesn't spread farther out) and basically keeping the actual Somali government afloat.

As for the comment on a two front War, that's just me being whimsical. Ilhan Omar, AFAIK, supports Palestine and their backers in the Houthis.

Foreign Ministry of the defacto independent country of Somaliland have responded to Ilhan Omar's dream of using her influence in the US Government towards achieving a Greater Somalia at the expense of its neighbors, including Somaliland itself.



Gotta love that diplomatic language. Pretty good example of it in the tweet actually. She even used the term 'august body' in reference to US Congress. What a flatterer.

 

[ATP]

Some of them though...

Still better then Biden.Dude would fall on his face if he tried sometching like that.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Suicide Drone Attack on a US Military Facility Located Within Jordan (on the border with Syria) has resulted in the death of three US Servicemembers and the injury of two dozen more.

The drone, an alleged Shahed type, was able to strike the base because it was returning at the same time as a US Drone was returning from a mission. After the successful strike, the Iranian-backed militants launched another attack within the hour at a facility a few kilometers away but that drone was intercepted by a Coyote UAS.

How the enemy drone that killed 3 US soldiers in Jordan evaded detection

The assault has put renewed pressure on the Biden administration to respond more forcefully to attacks on U.S. troops.

www.politico.com

Identities of the three soldiers killed revealed. Rest in Peace Specialists Breonna Moffett, Kennedy Sanders and Sergeant William Rivers.



Another former Iranian official boasting Iran's been behind the attacks on the US Military in the theater.

 

[Zachowon]

Damn all from my home state.

 

[Poe]

and we've still done nothing

 

[TheRejectionist]

It's a news thread. You don't post news. You just post the same stupid posts regardless and then act offended and indignant when people realize your posts are worthless. You just derailed this thread for over a page with your trolling because you were triggered by a widely reported news story and haven't offered any actual substantial response.

Your participation in this thread is literally a net negative contribution.

You even said Poe wasn't an isolationist. I've barely seen Poe on this forum but from a brief glance over his posts in the Ukraine and other Middle East threads its actually pretty apparent that his POV is of an isolationist. His issue with you is that your shitting up this thread with your textual stupidity.

Your ability to hold an actual conversation in good faith is completely shit in this thread and it shows. And it has nothing to do with your political POV and the fact you think it does shows how intentionally obtuse you actually are. It's posters like you that ruin threads and places where people try to engage in free speech because in this thread at least you've shown you're incapable of engaging in a discussion in good faith.

I mean, so no different than you you or Poe

Anyway :

 

[TheRejectionist]

and we've still done nothing

Because you have no proof, as your own government admitted :

I mean, so no different than you you or Poe

Anyway :

 

[Marduk]

I mean, so no different than you you or Poe

Anyway :

So clumsy press wrangling work by Biden admin (everyone knows they aren't very competent, but that fact doesn't change what happened in Jordan) as expected, with some clever clipping by an obvious activist against western interests and a "Kadyrov stan" is your smoking gun?
Even very non-US media repeat that the Iran connected group claimed the attacks, and they have done many more attacks against US and other troops in the past:

https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/iraqi-group-claims-responsibility-for-attack-on-us-base-16784147

Iran denies involvement in drone attack that killed 3 US soldiers in Jordan

Tehran says it has ‘no connection’ to attack on logistics support base near Jordan-Syria border.

www.aljazeera.com

Even typically anti-US AJ admits the group in question is an Iran proxy, Iran's denials being a mere formality.
Your desperate attempts to excuse Iran's proxies out of this would be hilarious if they weren't so disgusting.

 

[Poe]

Because you have no proof, as your own government admitted :

TL;DW: I said fuck off

 

[History Learner]

My guess would be "mobile launchers" - that can be "everywhere and nowhere".

People, some old common sense here: Anyone who's old enough to have played Missile Command or other such videogames back in the 1980's knows that an ABM system can be overwhelmed if the enemy sends more missiles than you have interceptors for, or sends them faster than you can target them.

(And in Missile Command, the interceptor ABMM's the player uses themselves have small nuclear warheads, so you can take out a bunch of incoming with one shot if they are close enough together at the time your one arrives there.)

On the other hand, as Zach pointed out, one can ignore incoming missiles that one can see aren't going to hit anything that matters. And Team Snackbar's cheap mass-produced rockets have poor accuracy. If they are using them to try to interdict shipping, that's likely a lot of harmless splashes.
But the threat would still be enough to make civilian ships not want to go there.

Nope. I'll post here too. Nope, Iran did not penetrate areas under the protection of Patriot.

Because concussive blasts hurt and what is severely? You are the only one saying that.

Basically if it is of importance it gets protected, if it isn't important it gets less to none.
Welcome to force protection

Given since my last post in here a single UAS was able to avoid all American defenses and then kill or wound almost 50 service members, the list of available copes is steadily dwindling. We now have multiple examples of successful attacks getting through and causing casualties upon U.S. bases at this stage, and the "choosing what to intercept" line doesn't make much sense when the last the one was literally a single UAV.

 

[History Learner]

Do they need to be based there before such a war?
Answer: No, it would be idiotic to base them there. Airbases under such risk of attack are just a glorified refuel point to "cheat" around range limitations.

Yes, they need to be in the region before a war, because once a war is declared those bases are destroyed by the Iranians.

Source: Your ass.
Even Russia and USA don't have "thousands" of missile silos, merely approaching a single thousand, while using them for far more valuable nuclear ICBMs.

No, it's actually based on the fact they have multiple underground missile bases. The U.S. and Russia don't have thousands of missile silos because they don't have thousands of missiles in the first place, given they are both signatories to arms restrictions treaties Iran isn't a part of.

And i've just realized you're too retarded to use google maps and substitute Iranian propaganda releases for it.

Tomahawk (missile family) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Operational range	Block II TLAM-N – 1,350 nmi (1,550 mi; 2,500 km) Block III TLAM-C, Block IV TLAM-E – 900 nmi (1,000 mi; 1,700 km) Block III TLAM-D – 700 nmi (810 mi; 1,300 km)[7] Block IV - 864nmi, 1000+ miles, 1600+ km Block Vb - 900+nmi, 1035+ miles, 1666+ km (exact range is classified)[8] RGM/UGM-109B TASM - 250 miles, 460 km[9]

The shortest distance (air line) between Tehran and Bandar-Abbas is 653.57 mi.
Distance from Tehrān to Hormozgan is equal to 629 miles.

Combat Range of an F-18: 444 nmi (511 mi, 822 km) combat radius for interdiction mission with 2 × 480-gallon drop tanks

As you can see, even many older types of Tomahawk can reach comfortably way beyond Tehran, without the launching ship even entering the Persian Gulf, just comfortably staying near UAE coast.

That's an odd claim, given the map you posted showed the line originating in the Persian Gulf. Beyond that, however:

Funny enough, F-35 on an interdiction mission can reach roughly similarly to older Tomahawks without using drop tanks or tankers, and that's without even adding long range missiles.

Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Combat range: 669 nmi (770 mi, 1,239 km) interdiction mission (air-to-surface) on internal fuel

It doesn't need to destroy all. It just needs to destroy or damage enough to make effective attacks

How many bombs does an F-35 carry on an interdiction mission? I don't think you know what an interdiction mission is...

As you saw, with close to 50 missiles... they did minimal damage to a base. Surely that will stop US war effort if repeated few times. Who knows, if they try few dozen times, maybe they will even kill a US soldier or few.

Well given a single UAV just killed three and wounded dozens more...

C-RAM, THAAD, any destroyer or cruiser.

So how did a single UAV get through?

To get through towards non-sensitive targets that is.

So given a single UAV managed to do just that...

Yes, "caused damage". Which can mean anything.
Oh no, they blew up some latrines on the edge of the base and knocked down a meeting tent, and few people were within hundreds of meters of that so they had to be put on medical observation, what will we do, the base is ruined!

Well given almost 50 were wounded or killed just a few days ago...

Do you have any idea what it takes to destroy an airbase for good?
Do you have any idea how long it takes to fix a runway to wartime standards?
No, harassing it with TBMs won't do it.

Good thing we do know from the one time the Iranians did it in 2020, and the answer is the air base was down for sometime.

T-4 Airbase / Tiyas

www.globalsecurity.org

Israel strikes this airbase regularly over years, with more killed personnel than those "swarm" TBM strikes by Iran, yet the base still operates.

Maybe, just maybe, airplanes have less explosive capacity than Ballistic Missiles? All of the attacks to date haven't been using Iranian missiles, but their own local versions using modification kits from Iran.

And what good did this "getting through" do? How many planes, defenses and munitions did it destroy? Who cares if a missile is allowed to get through because it's heading for empty space between runways and besides an eyesore crater will do no real damage? War is fought on effect, not soundbite technicalities.

Good thing we have applicable experience from 2020:

Satellite photos taken Wednesday show that an Iranian missile strike has caused extensive damage at the Ain al-Assad air base in Iraq, which hosts U.S. and coalition troops.

The photos, taken by the commercial company Planet and shared with NPR via the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey, show hangars and buildings hit hard by a barrage of Iranian missiles that were fired early Wednesday morning local time.

At least five structures were damaged in the attack on the base in Anbar province, which apparently was precise enough to hit individual buildings. "Some of the locations struck look like the missiles hit dead center," says David Schmerler, an analyst with the Middlebury Institute.​

 

[Husky_Khan]

I mean, so no different than you you or Poe

Actually no. My posting behavior is way better than yours. People might not like my viewpoints on Ukraine or whatever but I'm confident that any actual comparisons of posting behavior between you and me would show a massive above of difference.

Like seriously just imagine a forum full of people who post like you of every POV. All it would be is posting hour long videos at each other, and then snide passive aggressive one liners when they trigger each other. And like ten mega threads with all the same content.

Meanwhile a forum full of posters like me with every POV. You would have random discussion threads on everything from Valkyria OOB's, to military anime girl appreciation, random over effort Versus matches, topics on everything from Ultima to Resident Evil to Blizz-Activision news, and people spamming War News and Military Porn at each other, and when people post YouTube (and Rumble) videos they'll offer brief synopsis' because they actually watched the video on question and instead of like a half dozen identical megathreads we'd have dozens of threads on all sorts of random ASF topics. And when people disagree they won't drag threads into endless pages of pasta posting, they'll either ignore it and post more of their POV as a challenge, or try to deflect or downplay with shitposting irony.

It'd be a magical utopia in comparison to some Rejectionist thread.

Like I don't even think anyone is interested in what a Multiverse Rejectionist would be like. But the more I think about it, what if there was a NeoCon Husky Khan or a Anarcho-Capitalist Husky Khan, or a ChiCom HuskyCommie or a Hello Kitty Khan...

Not saying I'd be the most interesting poster in the world but... Definitely top Seventy Percentile.