Yet if they leave,germans would start anoter world war.And then USA would must pay more.
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Carrot of Truth
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You could.
However, do you want to trade with whatever evil/Communist/Totalitarian regime happens to come out on top?
Because that's what you'll probably get if we stay out of it. At least with our present day international setup.
And then germans would attack you after conqering Europe.Sorry,but after Bismarck left office,united Germany ALWAYS wonted MOAR.
But this time you would not have poles to use as cannon fodder,becouse germans would kill us all.
strunkenwhite
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Who started WW1,poles or germans ? who started WW2 and genocide,poles or germans? in which NATO country USA keep bigger forces to keep them in line,Poland or Germany?
But,you could continue to dream about good germans who never was nazis,becouse bad poles was.
Till germans start WW3 and genocide us for good.
But even then,you probably day,that was @ATP fault...
USA public though the same after WW1.Result - WW2 started by germans.
You could do not care when germans genocide me and my nation,but after that you would face them without allies in Europe.
When that happens,i hope that germans would win,and you would start speaking german.
P.S WW2 ended long ago - and germans are lying,that there was not germans,only nazis,and they were probably poles.
Which mean,that they plan WW3 and our genocide.
Germans gave cheque blance to A-H,too.Without that,Austria would not dare face Russia.
But,in case of WW1,germansshare quilty with Russia,England,A-H and France.
In case of WW2 - only with soviets.
Problem is - united germany after Bismarck go away ALWAYS wonted MOAR - so,only way to prevent germans from starting WW3 is making german states free again.
They do not started any worrld war in 17 or 18t century,after all !
If being RIGHT mean anything,there would be no Partition of Poland.
A-H do not had army capable of stopping Russia - so,without german support,would do nothing even if serbs killed more Habsburgs.
bintananth
behind a desk
The only thing just about everyone can agree on about the start off WWI is the spark which set off the powder keg: the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.
Afterwards? The Serbians were ready to agree to all but one of the Austro-Hungarian demands and the Austro-Hubgarians were ready to accept that reply and consider the matter resolved.
That did not happen because the peanut gallery decided to butt in and say "We won't accept that outcome."
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
"What we need is a short, victorious war."
bintananth
behind a desk
Instead they got 4 years, 3 months, and 15 days of hell.
They didn't take into account two things: the network of alliances formed (A declares war on B, but C has to defend B because of a mutual alliance so C declares war on A, but A has a similar pact with D, so D declares war on C and B, et cetera) and, the most important one; technology.
Technology outpaced tactics and doctrine. I mean, for fuck's sake, you had men marching Napoleonic Wars-style into machine gun fire (Battle of the Somme), horse cavalry versus trenches, machine guns, and artillery...
A fictional yet parallel example that still applies is from Tanya the Evil, in its alternate WW1/pseudo-WW2 -- the Duchy of Dachia, which is basically Bulgaria and a few other states in our timeline, invade the Empire from the south.
Except for radios, they acted exactly like how an army would in the Napoleonic Wars would've, and they all got massacred. By one Imperial unit.
Granted it was flying special forces, but they still would've been wiped out by a few modern, Imperial regiments with artillery and tanks.
But yeah, it was a complete clusterfuck on everyone's end, and it even helped put the Sick Man of Europe out of its misery.
Technology outpaced tactics and doctrine. I mean, for fuck's sake, you had men marching Napoleonic Wars-style into machine gun fire (Battle of the Somme), horse cavalry versus trenches, machine guns, and artillery...
A fictional yet parallel example that still applies is from Tanya the Evil, in its alternate WW1/pseudo-WW2 -- the Duchy of Dachia, which is basically Bulgaria and a few other states in our timeline, invade the Empire from the south.
Except for radios, they acted exactly like how an army would in the Napoleonic Wars would've, and they all got massacred. By one Imperial unit.
Granted it was flying special forces, but they still would've been wiped out by a few modern, Imperial regiments with artillery and tanks.
But yeah, it was a complete clusterfuck on everyone's end, and it even helped put the Sick Man of Europe out of its misery.
And germans even had plan for it,which would worked,if they do not send part of their forces to East Prussia.As if there was anything worth holding.
Not mention,those forces come too late anyway.
Everybody belived in victory.Dunno why.
Well,England knew that it would be bloody affait - but they wanted it exactly for that reason.
Yup.After brits showed in 1898 what HMG do to calvary charge in Sudan.
And both japaneese and russian what HMG did to infrantry charges.
But hey,they were some wogs,asians and russians,it would not work against mighty white cyvilized men,RIGHT ?
strunkenwhite
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Right, so in WWI, Germany played the role of an imperial power butting heads with other imperial powers, hoping to get a bigger piece of the pie and reaping only sorrow.
In WWII, it was more of a fanatical revanchism, spurred by socioeconomic catastrophe and kept afloat by death cult propaganda and a totalitarian/police state.
Now, Germany appears to have been convinced that the path to power in the 21st century is to play the peaceful political/economic game. Sign up with the EU, try to be the biggest fish in the Euro-pond, and try to make the pond bigger (grow the EU). As long as the US Navy keeps oceanic trade open, and as long as NATO is a reliable safeguard for its European members, it seems like a plan worth sticking to.
If anything, I'd think that the world wars are examples of Germany being TOO committed to a path it thought would lead to greatness; I'm not sure why you expect it to bail on the current scheme.
1.Agree,but-they could win and lost thanks to their own stupidity
2.Sadly,no.All german parties wonted destroy Poland ,and cooperate with soviets.Without Hitler it would be worst,becouse soviets would take them and then rest of Europe.
Well,worst for Western Europe,do not matter for us.
3.Sadly,no.They did not start anytching,becouse they are occupied by USA.But - they tried to change it making alliance with Putin,which would worked,if soviets knew how to fight.
Now,they try to turn EU into fourth Reich,central state ruled from Berlin.And made more sanctions on Poland then on Moscov.
Would they succed? maybe.
But,they would try to made german empire again.Only they are smart enough to undarstandt,that war do not work.
strunkenwhite
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Poland sanctioned worse than Russia? What on earth are you talking about?
And perhaps you can clarify something else for me. Do you think that Germany cannot succeed without putting its boot on Poland's neck, or do you think that Germans are just obsessed with hurting Poles even when there is no reason to?