Racism and Wu

[FriedCFour]

They get memed about all the time for shooting blacks on 4chan and other such places. Hell they joked about it on tasob (english ethnonationalist podcast). Funnily I've only ever see them joked about on places like pol where you'd think the SB mods would be loathe to visit. Activates the almonds honestly.

That’s where I got it from.

 

[Senor Hortler]

That’s where I got it from.

They would likely see dankula as a Nazi, I mean he's not but since when did that matter.

 

[DirtbagLeft]

Ok no.


No I am calling bullshit right here right now. The whole idea that black americans can not be racist is complete and utter bullshit. That minorities can not be racist is complete an utter bullshit. Every community has bigoted assholes in it. Racism is some thing every community has, just like every community has assholes.

The idea that you can not be racist to the majority group is utterally self serving garbage used by bad actors to get away with their bad behavior. It is self serving garbage that doesn't deserve the time of day.

No one is denying that minorities can be bigots. Racism however is different than bigotry in that it is a stochastic effect not an individual one.

Defining it the way it is defined could be because of bad actors trying to get away with bad behavior. Or alternatively it could be because what is being examined is not the individual case but the broader social impact the individual case has on society as a whole. Sociology doesn't care about or examine anecdotal/individual racism but examines institutional racism.

If you say "Blacks can be racist" I will agree with you.
If you say "Blacks cannot be racist" I will also agree with you.

The reason is that because "racist"/"racism" has two entirely different meanings in both statements meaning that both statements can be true at the same time without creating a contradiction.

The major problem here is a difference in underlying assumptions. Namely the existence of freewill.

 

[DirtbagLeft]

Trans people are mentally ill and can be treated effectively with an anti-psychotic.

And you are mentally ill and can be treated with a lobotomy.
Anti-psychotics does not treat gender dysphoria. Cute tactic though. While some individuals who are trans have dysphoria not all trans individuals have dysphoria meaning they are not mentally ill. Mental illness has a very specific meaning which you clearly do not know. Instead you use the term as a cudgel. I cannot really say that I expect any less from a degenerate such as yourself. Something is not classified as a mental illness until and unless it effects ones ability to function in society. Mild OCD for example is not a mental illness, it is just OCD. Illness/sickness is in the dose just look at potassium or salt. Contrary to popular myth being trans is not a mental illness. Being gender-dysphoric may be a mental illness which has a proven and demonstrable treatment that works.

Before you go where I suspect you are going to go I recommend you look at the success rate of Chemo because that is where I will take the argument if you open up the avenue to do so. Avoid doing so. It's a trap.

 

[DirtbagLeft]

What stood out to me the instant I saw that link unfurled was their choice of wording. People admit that the terms are racist. Not say the term is racist, not believe the term is racist, admit the term is racist. Now admit has a specific connotation, when admit is being used, a crime or wrongdoing has occurred and it's only a matter of admitting guilt. Whether or not you admit it, you still did a crime. This made me skeptical of the study and want to dig deeper, and sure enough they're massaging the data. Specifically they've used an old trick that carefully words the questions in order to steer people into the answer they'd already pre-selected. The fact that they only wound up with 10% after loading the dice is really sad and pretty much proves the opposite of their point to anybody who knows to look at methodology for obvious bias.

The specific trick is that they don't let you select what terms you think are racist, you have to vote for all or none, and they roll the more inflammatory "Kung Flu" in and put it last so that it stands out more. I can readily see a lot of people thinking Kung Flu could be racist, I feel that way myself even though I don't about Wuhan Virus. I suspect if you remove the more loaded term and let people vote only for Wuhan Virus you will get a far lower number than the 10%, and given that the study is starting from a biased position anyway I don't trust their numbers too much in the first place.

As for Wuhan Virus itself, we have a very, very long history of using the place the outbreak began to identify it. Ebola Virus is named after the Ebola river where the disease first appeared. Bornholm's disease is named after Bornholm island where it first showed up. Lyme disease is named after the town of Lyme, CT. Spanish Flu of course, the big daddy of plagues. Somehow Ebola isn't racist against blacks, Lyme disease isn't racist against whites, Bornholm's disease isn't racist against Danes, and Spanish Flu isn't racist against Spaniards. Why is Wuhan Virus racist against Chinese when it follows the same naming convention?

Are you asserting that if I check twitter I will not find people using Kung Flu also using the term Wuhan Flu as well? Or are the two interchangeable tokens?

 

[DirtbagLeft]

I am just saying an Argument I had seen on a sister site. They claimed since some studies show the Spanish flu started in the US is it racist if you call it the AMERICAN flu? Or if white people were being attacked, let go of jobs, and hated on because of it?

If we are being consistent then Chicken Pox ought to be renamed the English Pox especially among Native American populations.

 

[DirtbagLeft]

Because you are showing a minority who has a firearm, thus harming the lefts narrative that all people who own guns are evil white deplorables, as such because it makes their views look bad it is automatically some kind of ist, in this case racist.

Apparently you are unaware of my general policy with regard to guns. Though I am an Anarchist I have no problem working within the system. I think gun safety classes ought to be mandatory in elementary, Jr and Sr high. I also want to see guns in the hands of every black, queer, tranny, and fem. The higher the caliber the better. As tempting as it is to legally mandate such a thing that is going a bit far for me. But I will admit it is fun to fantasize about, though not for the reasons you might assume.

 

[Cherico]

If we are being consistent then Chicken Pox ought to be renamed the English Pox especially among Native American populations.

Im actually fine with calling the chicken pox english pox, if thats what you want to call it fine.

 

[Zachowon]

If we are being consistent then Chicken Pox ought to be renamed the English Pox especially among Native American populations.

Fine with me.

Apparently you are unaware of my general policy with regard to guns. Though I am an Anarchist I have no problem working within the system. I think gun safety classes ought to be mandatory in elementary, Jr and Sr high. I also want to see guns in the hands of every black, queer, tranny, and fem. The higher the caliber the better. As tempting as it is to legally mandate such a thing that is going a bit far for me. But I will admit it is fun to fantasize about, though not for the reasons you might assume.

If they are seemed mentally capable of it I say yes to that. If not then keep guns away from those not mentally sound

 

[FriedCFour]

While some individuals who are trans have dysphoria not all trans individuals have dysphoria meaning they are not mentally ill.

If you don’t have dysphoria then you are mutilating yourself for pretty much no reason.

 

[Floridaman]

Apparently you are unaware of my general policy with regard to guns. Though I am an Anarchist I have no problem working within the system. I think gun safety classes ought to be mandatory in elementary, Jr and Sr high. I also want to see guns in the hands of every black, queer, tranny, and fem. The higher the caliber the better. As tempting as it is to legally mandate such a thing that is going a bit far for me. But I will admit it is fun to fantasize about, though not for the reasons you might assume.

when I said that I did not mean you in particular, unless you were the one attacking him about the picture, just as not everyone on the right thinks one way, not everyone on the left does either.

 

[ShieldWife]

I reject the modern far left academic definition of racism, as it is essentially just a racial slur for white people. If all white people are racist, and no non-white people are racist, then “racist” just means “white person” but with a far more negative connotation. No one should be obligated to use biased language that their ideological enemies make up to further their own agenda.

These days, even if we wanted to talk about institutional racism as the only kind, there is likely far more institutional racism directed towards whites than the reverse. The very idea of racism has become such nonsense now anyway, it’s just one of the left’s magic words used to make people emotional with little real meaning.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Institutional being the key word. Its the weasel in the wood-it allows them to say it is everywhere, its here, its there, its over there. Fundamentally its "society is racist and bad and to change this...let's guilt trip white people into feeling bad for existing and yeah some of that sweet reparations money would be nice".

Critical Race Theory and Whiteness Studies in my totally unvarnished opinion are some of the most dangerous, destructive, and flat out malignant tumors in the academy today. Their very existence is evidence our civilization is fatally diseased, and the fact people actually believe them means our civilization is hours from death's door.

I have absolutely no patience for these ideas. Dangerous, malignant, and frankly needing to be purged at every level. From public discourse and academia.

But that's just my unceremonious and totally awful reactionary opinion.

 

[Cherico]

theres also the fact that institutional racism has been illegal since the civil rights act of the 1960s.

Violating that act can and will bring an army of lawyers down on your ass, as I have said earlier the democrats biggest problem is that they pretend that the 1960s hasn't ended. Well it has and objectively we had a black president, we've had black congressmen, sentitors, and supreme court justices. For the Latino community they have representatives in government too, and Andrew Yang recently ran for president. Gay marrage is legal in all 50 state and they serve in the military discriminating against them for jobs is not legal either.

IF there is institutional racism then its doing a shit teir job.

 

[Deleted member 88]

They'd respond and say it is invisible, permeating culture and every mundane social interaction and facet of life-which is where the idea of "Whiteness" comes from.

This basically means it never ends. And can be claimed to exist forever.

Heck even if white people vanished-I suspect you'd still have people claiming it existed somehow permeating society.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

And you are mentally ill and can be treated with a lobotomy.

Leftist thinks that everyone who disagrees with them should be lobotomized, shocking. Presumably pre-lobotomy you'd be hoping to keep all the political dissidents in some kind of camp, say, to concentrate the problem in one area, comrade?

Anti-psychotics does not treat gender dysphoria.

Pimozide does.

While some individuals who are trans have dysphoria not all trans individuals have dysphoria meaning they are not mentally ill.

"I'm not sawing parts of my body off because I have Saw-Parts-Of-My-Own-Body-Off-Disorder, I'm making a totally objective choice here"

You will never understand how insane you sound.

Instead you use the term as a cudgel.

Anyone who willingly rips a part off of their body solely because they think they're something they're not, leaving a painful would that smells of rotting meat and shit for the rest of their life, is insane.

I cannot really say that I expect any less from a degenerate such as yourself.

"The degenerates arent the insane people sawing bits off of themselves to make themselves happy, then killing themselves, but rather the people horrified by this beautiful, beautiful practice."

Imagine living in this world for a moment folks.

Something is not classified as a mental illness until and unless it effects ones ability to function in society.

It interferes with at least 41% of their ability to function in society.

Before you go where I suspect you are going to go I recommend you look at the success rate of Chemo because that is where I will take the argument if you open up the avenue to do so.

Have lethal disease
Cure has low success rate

Be crazy and think you have a problem you dont
Have a coin flip's chance of suck starting a shotgun
Engage in "treatment"
Still have a coin flip's chance of suck starting a shotgun

Awesome comparison.

It's a trap.

Traps are gay.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Are you asserting that if I check twitter I will not find people using Kung Flu also using the term Wuhan Flu as well? Or are the two interchangeable tokens?

I can't help but notice you're completely ignoring the implicit bias that the study defined things by admission of guilt in order to talk about Twitter, which suggests you have a weak argument and are trying to deflect. I'm sure you can find any stupid thing on Twitter if you search long enough, I avoid it as a source for any serious arguments myself for that reason. However you've shown much interest with quibbling over word meanings in this thread so if you claim Kung Flu and Wuhan Virus are absolutely identical I will think less of you for the hypocrisy. Especially in light of your desire to use a quantum definition of "racism" that allows you to change meanings mid-argument and quibble word definitions rather than facts. After all, the person posting on Twitter can't be an institution so they can't be racist, right?

 

[Abhorsen]

Racism however is different than bigotry in that it is a stochastic effect not an individual one.

So by this definition a single klukker isn't racist, they have to group up? This is stupid, and against the well understood meaning of the term. Try again.

Use well understood definitions of words, not some jargon version that only a small subset uses.

 

[FriedCFour]

@DirtbagLeft if you are non Dyphoric Trans, what legitimizes you as a man or a woman opposite from what you were born as that does not also legitimize this man as being a lizard instead of a human.

 

[DirtbagLeft]

Fine with me.

If they are seemed mentally capable of it I say yes to that. If not then keep guns away from those not mentally sound

I understand the sentiment and agree with it. My problem with that as an actual policy position is it's very easy to abuse such a system. I will openly admit that I am willing bite the bullet (no pun intended) and eat the causalities. My general problem with the policy is that certain individuals have already indicated clearly that they would construct the policy in such a way as to automatically exclude individuals with gender dysphoria. If the policies were constructed in such as way as to restrict access only to those who's mental health problems are tied to an increase in violent tendencies then I wouldn't object. With the caveat that mental health screening be required across the board (either mental health is considered in every case or in no case). Mental health screenings however would tend to favor me and mine however as fascists tend toward anti-social disorders.