Renewable Energy is a Scam

Honestly, the best bets to go for (at least in humanity's short-term) are geothermal (if you're lucky, like Iceland), hydro-electric (if you live in areas like the UK, Sweden/Norway, et cetera), and (widespread) nuclear -- emphasis on nuclear.

But, of course, public perception of nuclear power has been poisoned for generations by the anti-nuclear morons out there.
Hydro and geothermal (at current technology) are minor, secondary at best sources of energy for any major industrial country. Some tiny ones with just right geographic features may rely on them more (like Iceland), but that just isn't an option for any of the major countries.

It's all about nuclear and fossil fuels.
 
Hydro and geothermal (at current technology) are minor, secondary at best sources of energy for any major industrial country. Some tiny ones with just right geographic features may rely on them more (like Iceland), but that just isn't an option for any of the major countries.

Australia could massively expand hydro in a year or two, we have heaps of places where it could be put.

It's been blocked on enviromental grounds every time. After all, you have to flood a valley, there could be endangered speices in there!
 
Honestly, the best bets to go for (at least in humanity's short-term) are geothermal (if you're lucky, like Iceland), hydro-electric (if you live in areas like the UK, Sweden/Norway, et cetera), and (widespread) nuclear -- emphasis on nuclear.

But, of course, public perception of nuclear power has been poisoned for generations by the anti-nuclear morons out there.
Anti Nuclear morons funded by big Oil and coal more than likely.
 
Hydro and geothermal (at current technology) are minor, secondary at best sources of energy for any major industrial country. Some tiny ones with just right geographic features may rely on them more (like Iceland), but that just isn't an option for any of the major countries.

It's all about nuclear and fossil fuels.
Geothermal can produce a lot of power, if a country has the right prerequisites for it (e.g. Iceland). Many rivers in the UK are especially good for hydroelectric generators, but the trouble is getting the funding for them compared to people wanting go "all in" on solar panels and wind turbines. Unless you're in the peaks of Scotland, wind turbines just aren't that effective.

Nuclear is essential.
Anti Nuclear morons funded by big Oil and coal more than likely.
A lot of the anti-nuclear sentiment was and still is ultimately funded by the oil and coal industries, but it's a cultural thing now: anything with "nuclear" in the title instigates a knee-jerk response.

"But it's non-renewable!" Uh, yeah, but the sheer amount of the needed materials on Earth (mined and unmined) could probably fill the Mariana Trench. Renewable means nothing if there's zero chance of the needed fuel running out for, say, I dunno, a few thousand years at best.

"But, but nuclear waste!" The same nuclear waste that's now recycled back into nuclear fuel, and what can't be recycled are such small amounts that they could probably all be dumped at one site?

"But, but, but meltdowns!" Modern nuclear reactor designs are so safe that the only way a meltdown would occur is through an act of God, terrorism/sabotage, or a meteorite the size of football stadium directly smashing into the reactor.
 
Orders of magnitude too little of it.

Hydrogen is pretty nice if you can get it...
But on Earth that's an energy medium, not source.
As a replacement for batteries, hydrogen has extremely nice energy density per weight (not so much per volume.) So it can potentially make renewables a bit more desirable due to storing energy.

However, hydrogen has a number of problems too. It's not all that fond of staying inside it's storage container, no matter what the container is, and it hates steel (and most other metals) making any use near any sort of machinery a bad idea. Which, y'know, is where you need it as a fuel source. We've basically been trying to figure out how to store hydrogen without it destroying it's own container and whatever it's being burned in since the 70s.

The current plans to solve these problems revolve around storing the hydrogen as part of some other chemical that doesn't have those drawbacks. Berkely is working on amides that give off hydrogen as part of a chemical reaction. If this pans out it's possible hydrogen may actually take off. However, we've been down this road a lot... making the amide in the first place may take more energy than it's worth and the resulting molecule may make the hydrogen heavier than it's worth.
 
"But it's non-renewable!" Uh, yeah, but the sheer amount of the needed materials on Earth (mined and unmined) could probably fill the Mariana Trench. Renewable means nothing if there's zero chance of the needed fuel running out for, say, I dunno, a few thousand years at best.
Even so-called "renewable" energies aren't; solar panels and wind turbines have an extremely short lifespan before they have to be replaced, and their output is so unreliable that they're little more than a novelty.
 
Even so-called "renewable" energies aren't; solar panels and wind turbines have an extremely short lifespan before they have to be replaced, and their output is so unreliable that they're little more than a novelty.
When people use "renewable", I always presumed it was the source, not the method, of the generated energy. I conflate the source with finite.

We'll always have tides, wind, and the sun; fossil fuels like coal, gas, and oil are going to run out, eventually; they're non-renewable as in finite.

The fuel for nuclear power stations, however, is finite, but there's so much of it in existence and such little amounts of it are needed by us that it's an irrelevant concern.
 
Biofuels would be a good alternative source of energy if you still want a liquid based fuel to run your vehicles. Can anyone imagine using a combo of old, discarded cooking oil from restaurants with human fat extracted by liposuction as fuel?
I can, in a steam plant. A steam turbine doesn't care where the steam came from as long as the temperature, pressure, and flow rate are what it wants. If the boiler can handle the fuel and the fire is the right temperature and size, you're in business.

For something like an automobile, truck, or aircraft engine. Those are fussier. Making one designed for an alcohol or biodiesel is something we already know how to do.
 
We should harness all of the yard waste generated by every neighborhood in the US to create an alcohol based fuel for specialized boilers. We can make a Cottage Industry out of it in every county in the US.
 
We should harness all of the yard waste generated by every neighborhood in the US to create an alcohol based fuel for specialized boilers. We can make a Cottage Industry out of it in every county in the US.
Or just skip the fermentation step and burn it solid in a boiler. Like coal or trash, the emissions going up the flue will be a hassle* to corral and there's ash to deal with. Better than sending it straight to a landfill and simpler than trying to ferment "whatever".

* Easier to do than with trash. More difficult to do than with coal.
 
We should harness all of the yard waste generated by every neighborhood in the US to create an alcohol based fuel for specialized boilers. We can make a Cottage Industry out of it in every county in the US.
Oh, ya know, if you live in the more rural states, just ask the local rednecks to begin producing their moonshines for fuel instead of consumption, lol.
 
Very rarely.

Hydro isn't bad, but Solar and Wind? No, they're crap. They have a few very minor uses, niche at most.


Billions of dollars, for effectively zero real benifits.

That's not true either. Much like hydro, they're reliant upon geography. Wind and Solar can both work in Texas, which is both sunny and windy. Solar cannot work in Germany, because Germany doesn't get enough sunlight to make them useful. What green tech cultists ignore is that primary issue.
 
Or just skip the fermentation step and burn it solid in a boiler. Like coal or trash, the emissions going up the flue will be a hassle* to corral and there's ash to deal with. Better than sending it straight to a landfill and simpler than trying to ferment "whatever".

* Easier to do than with trash. More difficult to do than with coal.
It is easier to store liquid mass than a Solid. The raw vegetation would take up too much space.
 
Wind and Solar can both work in Texas, which is both sunny and windy.
Nope, no they can't. Not in any truly meaningful amount. I mean, we all (Texans) witnessed how reliable said sources of energy are in inclement weather. Texas is HUGE, and transmission of any power from those sources eats a huge percentage of power. In addition, the upkeep of wind is stupid expensive. You will realistically NEVER get a ROI on them energy-wise. The ONLY reason there are so many is b/c of the stupid amount of subsidies keeping them in operation. If those go away, every windfarm in Texas shuts down the next day.
 
Nope, no they can't. Not in any truly meaningful amount. I mean, we all (Texans) witnessed how reliable said sources of energy are in inclement weather. Texas is HUGE, and transmission of any power from those sources eats a huge percentage of power. In addition, the upkeep of wind is stupid expensive. You will realistically NEVER get a ROI on them energy-wise. The ONLY reason there are so many is b/c of the stupid amount of subsidies keeping them in operation. If those go away, every windfarm in Texas shuts down the next day.

Transmission of power is a huge problem, which is why the energy is only useful locally. I don't know what the upkeep on wind is, but that's a bit of a different matter. I'm talking about power generation. You can generate the energy that you need, so long as it is kept primarily local. It's no secret that Green energy is really not close enough to take over anything. The only ROI that I know of are hydro and solar, which are limited to certain areas of the country.
 
A LOT of turbines need to have their transmissions replaced once or twice A YEAR.

If everything in them runs perfectly...the stated ROI is 20 years of production...and that number is what comes from their makers...who design them for cold climates like Europe.

In fact, the oil used in them is made for those climes, and it's REQUIRED THAT WE USE IT IN TEXAS for them...yeah...think that through for just a bit.

NONE of them are made in America or even North America.
 
You can generate the energy that you need, so long as it is kept primarily local.
This is where renewable become usable. At the homestead level...not even in the community, town or city level. Small battery bank in our outbuilding that's well ventilated coupled to solar array on your rooves (home & barn if you got it) along with one or two well-situated vertical wind turbines. Charges your battery packs & runs some/all of your home and the excess can be sold off to the grid if you even want to be connected.

Unless you get lots of govt. money to install you probably won't see it payoff for 15-20 years. BUT it will reliably give you energy when those elements are at play in your area.
 
This is where renewable become usable. At the homestead level...not even in the community, town or city level. Small battery bank in our outbuilding that's well ventilated coupled to solar array on your rooves (home & barn if you got it) along with one or two well-situated vertical wind turbines. Charges your battery packs & runs some/all of your home and the excess can be sold off to the grid if you even want to be connected.

Unless you get lots of govt. money to install you probably won't see it payoff for 15-20 years. BUT it will reliably give you energy when those elements are at play in your area.

Here in South Africa, people who can afford it are installing solar panels, batteries, inverters, etc not because it' greener, or more efficient... but because the national power grid is simply no longer reliable.
Eskom's big coal-fired plants keep breaking down, and the money to fix them keeps just... disappearing.
 

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