So this is how culture dies....with Thunderous Applause? (A rant)

[KilroywasNOTHere]

So I came across this video talking about the comic industry is dying, and the comment section just feels like I took one of those concentrate pills that has like five times the dosage. In this case it's fives times the dosage of your daily blackpill.


Look guys I get it. The SJWs shame us and mock us. They use the charecters we grew up loving as a means to insult is. Does that justify us wanting to watch the whole thing burn. Are we really so petty that if we can't have official control of it we want to see the whole thing die and not even build somthing in it's place? What are we going to do when they take over manga or tabletops or dare I say it geek culture. Are we just going to say "let it burn, let the past die kill it if you have to?" Last I checked that was supposed to be the SJWs mantra not the mantra of people like us. If we don't like the way marvel and DC are going, let's make our own fan comics and stories. Let's make New IPs to compete with them. Ultimately as joyous as it is, the dumpster fire will die down one way or another. What's going to be left after that. Are we going to build somthing to fill that void, or are we just going to grow bored and lose our minds cause there's nothing left to watch burn. I'm really begening to think it's the later. Is the only difference between SJWs vs Anti-SJWs Active Vs Passive?

 

[ParadiseLost]

Comics were dying SJWs or not, the only thing that's happening is comics whoring themselves out any way possible to try to stay relevant by grabbing the young demographic, only its not going to work.

Manga has killed comics like it or not, the quality difference is too big.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Comics were dying SJWs or not, the only thing that's happening is comics whoring themselves out any way possible to try to stay relevant by grabbing the young demographic, only its not going to work.

Manga has killed comics like it or not, the quality difference is too big.

So why not improve comics and how those stories are told? I'm sorry I have a REALLY hard time beliving that an art style is what killed the comic book industry.

 

[7 Gold Eye Heals the Wise]

So why not improve comics and how those stories are told? I'm sorry I have a REALLY hard time beliving that an art style is what killed the comic book industry.

Publishing model, not art style.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Publishing model, not art style.

and....what's keeping comics from adapting that model. Maybe my idea of a comic is differnt from the official definition but when I think manga I think in terms of art style and either "Japan," or "I can't belive it's not japan." I don't see why the west can't adapt.

 

[LordsFire]

The western comics industry has been merrily destroying itself since the 90's. It's both business model decisions, and increasingly left-wing radicalism, and that's not new to the SJWs who have seized control of it now. The 'Marvel Civil War' arc in the 2000's was arguably a large part of the staff throwing a temper tantrum because W. Bush won the election, and they thought he was going to be the next Hitler.

Also, a reason why many of us who aren't black-pilled want to see Marvel and DC fail?

Because until the people currently running them push it all the way into the ground, what's being done with it isn't going to change. They need a new business model, and people who actually have real ethics not marxist and post-modernist principles that will ruin peoples lives and result in millions of deaths, writing the stories.

Once they've completely destroyed their franchises, maybe they can be bought out by people who will bring the stories back towards what they once were, stories of actual heroes fighting actual villains, and experiencing actual character growth sometimes.

 

[7 Gold Eye Heals the Wise]

and....what's keeping comics from adapting that model.

The one distributor they both share.

 

[King Krávoka]

Big name comics have always been didactic trash.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

The western comics industry has been merrily destroying itself since the 90's. It's both business model decisions, and increasingly left-wing radicalism, and that's not new to the SJWs who have seized control of it now. The 'Marvel Civil War' arc in the 2000's was arguably a large part of the staff throwing a temper tantrum because W. Bush won the election, and they thought he was going to be the next Hitler.

Also, a reason why many of us who aren't black-pilled want to see Marvel and DC fail?

Because until the people currently running them push it all the way into the ground, what's being done with it isn't going to change. They need a new business model, and people who actually have real ethics not marxist and post-modernist principles that will ruin peoples lives and result in millions of deaths, writing the stories.

Once they've completely destroyed their franchises, maybe they can be bought out by people who will bring the stories back towards what they once were, stories of actual heroes fighting actual villains, and experiencing actual character growth sometimes.

the people and the companies mean nothing to me. Just the characters IPs and old stories. Not even the law is keeping us from taking those. It just keeps us from profiting from it.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

and....what's keeping comics from adapting that model. Maybe my idea of a comic is differnt from the official definition but when I think manga I think in terms of art style and either "Japan," or "I can't belive it's not japan." I don't see why the west can't adapt.

I'm glad there are some people actually starting their own.

The western comics industry has been merrily destroying itself since the 90's. It's both business model decisions, and increasingly left-wing radicalism, and that's not new to the SJWs who have seized control of it now.

I think I've noticed a sort of shift in-terms of art sometime in the 90s

As in, aside from those disproportionate, sexy, ultra macho stuff. There seemed to be less homogeneity or something in-terms of art.

The comics I've noticed before that era seemed to have a standard of extra detail and looked sorta "whole" in-terms of bodies and not too unusual

Or that's just from the Marvel comics I've hoarded

So why not improve comics and how those stories are told? I'm sorry I have a REALLY hard time beliving that an art style is what killed the comic book industry.

Art style is probably just part of why thing's are dying

Say, you watch the vids talking about how Cover Art and the art within don't match? As in, the cover tends to look really nice and somehow the art within is subpar or barely detailed or sometimes outright ugly?

Honestly, it sounds cheap and douchey as hell, especially with the extra variant covers

Manga has killed comics like it or not, the quality difference is too big.

Not just the quality, but the rate at which new series and chapters come up. You could get burnt out from doing the work.

That said, when it comes to difference between manga and comics

I tend to sort of be the opinion that manga does action scenes better



Or are more likely to focus on action scenes

 

[Cherico]

The American comics industry has to die.

The current model of the big two dominating the industry is not sustainable, there has to be actual competition. Even with out the SJW nonsense the industry was heading towards a collapse, only after it has died can it be reborn into greater splendor.

 

[Terthna]

If anyone wants to know some of the history of how the American comics industry began to fall apart, SF Debris made a series of videos under the title The Rise and Fall of the Comic Empire that goes fairly in-depth into explaining that:


The whole series is several hours long, but it's an entertaining watch.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

The American comics industry has to die.

The current model of the big two dominating the industry is not sustainable, there has to be actual competition. Even with out the SJW nonsense the industry was heading towards a collapse, only after it has died can it be reborn into greater splendor.

Honestly, even the mini-series by indie companies I've seen so far, feel pretty lacking in-terms of the CLASH in action

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

The American comics industry has to die.

The current model of the big two dominating the industry is not sustainable, there has to be actual competition. Even with out the SJW nonsense the industry was heading towards a collapse, only after it has died can it be reborn into greater splendor.

I frankly don't believe in rebirth (not in the physical sense anyway) either culture dies or it doesn't and culture only dies when people let it die and people are letting specifically the IPs and stories die for no reason Other than as a take that to SJWs, and I refuse to let Spider-man or batman or any of them die at the hands of the left.

 

[Terthna]

I frankly don't believe in rebirth (not in the physical sense anyway) either something dies or it doesn't and something only dies when people let it die and people are letting specifically the IPs and stories die for no reason Other than as a take that to SJWs, and I refuse to let Spider-man or batman or any of them die at the hands of the left.

If those characters could enter the public domain, we wouldn't have to worry about the SJWs maintaining sole possession of them. Batman, for example, is a character that was created back in 1939; the law aside, I'd argue he should have entered the public domain a long time ago.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

If those characters could enter the public domain, we wouldn't have to worry about the SJWs maintaining sole possession of them. Batman, for example, is a character that was created back in 1939; the law aside, I'd argue he should have entered the public domain a long time ago.

as I said in an earlier post, not even the law is keeping us from doing anything with those characters. We just can't profit off of them. I'm not even convinced anybody will actually do anything with these characters once they actually do become public domain/abandonware

 

[Terthna]

as I said in an earlier post, not even the law is keeping us from doing anything with those characters. We just can't profit off of them. I'm not even convinced anybody will actually do anything with these characters once they actually do become public domain/abandonware

Well, being public domain hasn't stopped people from doing things with characters like Sherlock Holmes, or Alice Liddell.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Jim Shooter did nothing wrong.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Jim Shooter did nothing wrong.

depends on who's in control of the editorial mandates.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

depends on who's in control of the editorial mandates.

Don’t know much about Jim Shooter and I’m kinda a doomer, but somehow, I think if he were around, he’d fold and bow down to them

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