CarlManvers2019
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Okay, that said, best to expect a fad of “subverting expectations” only in later seasons like with Game of Thrones
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Okay, that said, best to expect a fad of “subverting expectations” only in later seasons like with Game of Thrones
AspblastUSA
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Oh, don't get me wrong. I still wouldn't like RJ touching the Mandalorian with a ten foot pole. I just wanted to clarify that imho he'd ruin it by being a stubborn idiot with a vision, not by being Woke.
CarlManvers2019
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Okay, that said, he’s still Woke right?
Honestly, for much other fiction, I think them being Woke is partially a shield for the other missteps they introduce and praise
I am of the opinion that Holdo and Leia were absolutely correct to not trust Poe with any of the plan, given that he had literally just demonstrated himself to be an insubordinate, short-sighted glory hound who was willing to throw away irreplaceable lives and equipment for a pointless "big ship kill" against a freaking bombardment monitor which was zero further threat after they'd abandoned their base.. He basically lived down to literally being named "Damn Moron".
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ShadowsOfParadox
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...see, there are two moments that ruin TLJ regardless of anything else. Holdo's ramming maneuver which renders EVERY STAR WARS SPACE BATTLE EVER pointless and retarded and every commander of them stupid, oh, also makes a good argument for TIE FIGHTERS, you know, the balls of TISSUE PAPER being fething Death Stars. And second, Kylo's backstory with Luke. Actually never mind just that, EVERYTHING about Luke is retarded and needed at LEAST three prior movies shifting Luke's character if they wanted to do that. It MIGHT be kind of VAGUELY believable with a three movie death spiral but as is Luke is OOC to the level of shitty fanfics.
I wouldn't mind giving Rian Johnson his own Star Wars property. As long as it takes place a long, long time ago (and preferably in a galaxy far far away) from current Star Wars canon. I mean Looper was still pretty decent.
prinCZess
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I. Dunnow, witholding the plan from anyone aboard the rebel ships seems silly when the alternative in peoples minds is 'we're running until out of fuel, and then we shall die'. That kind of prospect would encourage damn-fool behavior.
But, that aside, the dreadnought getting blown isn't shown to be as negative as it maybe should be? When they get into that chase sequence, Poe being wrong gets argued against because now at least the new-Imps don't have the big-ass laser cannons with them that would presumably be quite a problem for the shields.
Poe also kinda has a point? New-imps just blew away Republic resistance itself and, judging by intro credits, were stomping out on a conquest-spree. And in that context, getting a big ship kill--particularly a ship shown to be unique in such a way--is a important moral victory that can be held up as 'We didn't just run away!' To keep resistance active and hopeful.
That bit just doesn't make sense to me from a pragmatic level, and it seems to be quite different from TFAs Poe Dameron.
Could've been established better if, after destroying the first dreadnought, two or three more had vome out of hyperspace.
And if the entire Holdo and ship-scenes had been a bit more carefully plotted or explained (I forget now, was 'There's a spy' a concern ever brought up by Holdo or others, or is that purely a fan idea? Because if not, something to that effect seems needed to explain the decision not to tell people the plan where they don't ineviteably end up dead)
Going to have to completely disagree with you on that. The way the movie played out made it look like Holdo was a traitor and given her treatment of Poe, I think he was completely justified in mutinying. There is no reason for her to withhold even the fact that there was a plan (at one point that's all Poe asks for to give them some hope), and frankly, as someone who's actually gone through officer training, she does everything wrong as far as leadership goes. I've also never heard a good argument as to why she withheld the plan, or even the fact that there was a plan, even when working within the bounds of the movie's horrible writing, because we see that apparently both Leia and Holdo actually really do like Poe (so much for the theory that these women distrusted him), and that once he hears the plan, Poe is completely for it, so there literally was nothing to worry about there, and it was withholding information and treating him like trash that caused all the problems and directly lead to the mutiny.
As for Poe's attack against orders, frankly nothing about that scene makes sense. First there's the bombers and how ridiculously slow they are and how poorly designed they are. I understand they were going for a B-17 feel to go along with the WWII feel the original trilogy was going for, but it makes no sense as presented. The other thing is, given as terribly slow as these things are, it's obvious these things were already on their way over when Poe was attacking the ship, so it makes me wonder what Leia's plan was supposed to be if not to attack this dreadnought and the threat it represented to the fleet. It made sense to attack the ship and take it out for that reason, and given the timing of when it could fire, there's no way they could have recovered those bombers and gotten out of there before the ship fired again. How fortunate that the dreadnought decided to fire on the already fully evacuated base instead of the ship everyone was fleeing to first. Of course that along with the contrivance of not launching fighters until after Poe started attacking just shows how horribly written this scene, and frankly the whole movie was.
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Being anti-ginger and being anti-Native American are the last two fashionable racisms for the left because redheads remind them that they can’t lump all white people together and Native Americans remind them that some minorities don’t want to have their land, independence and sovereignty replaced with government handouts in a giant urban project where they can get “appropriate access to services”.
Well, and being anti-Hindu. Hindus dare fight back against the sacred cow of completely innocent and blameless Islam.
Doomsought
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Hollywood probably prefers Soviet Command and Control techniques to NATO style Officers.
It's a bit of a running joke that when a character is given a race change, it's usually a ginger or a red-head. This goes back at least as far as The Shawshank Redemption. I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, as Morgan Freeman certainly did a good job as Red, and it would be difficult to imagine the movie any other way, but it is kind of funny.
You're over-thinking it. They just think the military is supposed to be like that, that it's an inherently authoritarian institution.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Billy Dee Williams Describes His Gender Fluidity in Interview
"I’m not afraid to show that side of myself."
I sometimes wonder if he's out of fucks and just out to whore his dignity for some more fame or money to fit in with the cooler kids.
AspblastUSA
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Wondering? The man's IMDB features credits for such things as Admiral Bitchface, The Most Interesting Black Man in the World, and a one-episode appearance on the Annoying Orange TV show. Every man has a price, and I don't think his runs very high. Not that I blame the man, if you have the sort of personality where you can handle doing that, why not?
prinCZess
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Eh, in honesty it sounds like the Esquire interviewer was quote-mining for something that'd attract views because there's little context, nothing further on the matter, and they refer to Williams as 'he' throughout. Seems more like what might've been a relatively innocuous or offhand statement expressing a worldivew that's not really controversial ('there's masculine and feminine aspects to myself, and I've learned to let them show as appropriate' is the sentiment, 'gender fluid' as an identity is...somewhat more than that, I think?) and the quote got blown up because the interviewer, Esquire and/or Disney's marketing team or even Williams knew it'd get those clicks and stir up some 'controversy'.Billy Dee Williams Describes His Gender Fluidity in Interview
"I’m not afraid to show that side of myself."www.vanityfair.com
I sometimes wonder if he's out of fucks and just out to whore his dignity for some more fame or money to fit in with the cooler kids.
Or maybe Williams is gender fluid and is just now able to express it. *shrug* The 50s-60s stage-to-screen pipeline for Broadway actors would be somewhat of the stereotypical location for that type of perspective to crop up. Dude was a good actor for Lando back in the day--even in the text interview he comes off as charming, and that's really the only thing an actor needs to do.
What's this?! A Star Wars thing that ISN'T emasculating Luke? And it's from Disney? IMPOSSIBLE!
