Steven Crowder takes a stand against Conservative networks

Did you even read that really long post I made about a nine minute video that specifically talked about contract negotiations with DW?

No Steven didn't try to negotiate. He asked for an offer.

Then he refused it. Asked for another new offer, ie telling DailyWire to negotiate with itself, which you know, is totally professional and in good faith.

Then he sat on it for four months, then spent the last month plotting how to trap and embarrass his so-called friends so he and the fat oompah loompah Quartering can launch their own service which will totally be the savior of the Conservative movement because Crowder has never had any controversy over his employment or business practices.
DW wasn't willing to send a new contract, and Crowder knew the sorts of receipts needed to prove what the DW was asking for in it's boilerplae contracts.

Crowder said he did this because he knew new talent coming on at DW and other places would be walking into these contracts with no forewarning and without his ability to say "No.", and him doing this meant those kind of contract terms would be harder to hide and get away with if they were openly known to the up and coming parts of the new right.

This is the same sort of bullshit record labels have tried with musicians for years, and the DW following that example shows why they are controlled oppositon, out to make money of people who think foolishly DW actually wants to fight the battles that the new right wants to fight, instead of just smooth off the movements edges while enriching themselves.
Daily Wire doesn't carry Rings of Power so you'll be fine.
No, Amazon does, and I already have an Amazon account, so what's your point?
Imagine calling up someone and talking about your families Christmases, troubles buying baby formula and than bringing those contract negotiations that fell apart four months ago, recording it all and than having people state "Oh it's like Project Veritas/Just recording business phone calls." Imagine if Daily Wire tried to pull something like... releasing a video filled with half truths about contract negotiations out of the blue. :unsure:
Veritas and Crowder have both proven the value of recording supposedly friendly encounter with bad faith actors.

Just because DW is upset they got their dirty laundry of contract terms outed doesn't change the value and utility in accountability that comes with recording live convos with those who may be bad actors.
 
DW wasn't willing to send a new contract, and Crowder knew the sorts of receipts needed to prove what the DW was asking for in it's boilerplae contracts.

Crowder said he did this because he knew new talent coming on at DW and other places would be walking into these contracts with no forewarning and without his ability to say "No.", and him doing this meant those kind of contract terms would be harder to hide and get away with if they were openly known to the up and coming parts of the new right.

What new talent? Can you name anyone that the Daily Wire hired recently as new talent? Crowder states this as a reason but it sounds like a Red Herring. Maybe he's protecting Not Gay Jared from being entrapped by a scary DailyWire contract. I guess we'll never know since Jared Munroe is allegedly under NDA and can't even use the term Not Gay anymore for some reason. Maybe he should've recorded conversations of those bad actors... he apparently grew up in a "family" that was familiar with such practices.

No, Amazon does, and I already have an Amazon account, so what's your point?

Well as long as Amazon is getting your dime for watching shitty Lord of the Ring adaptions you love but those Big Tech controlled opposition types at Daily Wire aren't lol.

Veritas and Crowder have both proven the value of recording supposedly friendly encounter with bad faith actors.

Just because DW is upset they got their dirty laundry of contract terms outed doesn't change the value and utility in accountability that comes with recording live convos with those who may be bad actors.

Sounds like solid reasoning. Do you think that would apply to say... PM's on a forum? There's a lot of bad actors out there... and forums are a business. Exposing these so-called private communications has a value and utility in achieving accountability, wouldn't you agree? Just don't release personal information. Edit it for content etc.
 
What new talent? Can you name anyone that the Daily Wire hired recently as new talent? Crowder states this as a reason but it sounds like a Red Herring. Maybe he's protecting Not Gay Jared from being entrapped by a scary DailyWire contract. I guess we'll never know since Jared Munroe is allegedly under NDA and can't even use the term Not Gay anymore for some reason. Maybe he should've recorded conversations of those bad actors... he apparently grew up in a "family" that was familiar with such practices.
No, I cannot name new talent at DW; most recent acquisition I heard of was probably Owens herself.

Which may be why this has DW is panic, because they wanted Crowder as new talent, as they weren't getting a lot of new people wanting to come onboard otherwise, and now outing these terms will significantly hurt recruitment for DW.
Well as long as Amazon is getting your dime for watching shitty Lord of the Ring adaptions you love but those Big Tech controlled opposition types at Daily Wire aren't lol.
I had an Amazon account long before that show existed or Amazon became political, because it's a buying and shipping service, and I had a Prime subscription from back when The Expanse was running, so again you are trying to make a point out of nothing.

DW doesn't offer the bulk of Amazon's non-media services, or it's library of content.

This is an attempt at an 'apple to orange cart' comparison attempt that is rather lazy and asinine.
Sounds like solid reasoning. Do you think that would apply to say... PM's on a forum? There's a lot of bad actors out there... and forums are a business. Exposing these so-called private communications has a value and utility in achieving accountability, wouldn't you agree? Just don't release personal information. Edit it for content etc.
I don't see you hating on Project Veritas, why the double standard?
 
No, I cannot name new talent at DW; most recent acquisition I heard of was probably Owens herself.

Which may be why this has DW is panic, because they wanted Crowder as new talent, as they weren't getting a lot of new people wanting to come onboard otherwise, and now outing these terms will significantly hurt recruitment for DW.

Interesting hypothetical. They just got Jordan Peterson on board recently and the PragerU's entire library. And they're making movies apparently like the Western released last Summer with Gina Carano lol. But where is this new talent that Crowder is so worried about? None of their recent acquisitions I think could be considered "young and upcoming."

I don't see you hating on Project Veritas, why the double standard?

Sir I'm agreeing with you. This is an attempt at an 'apple to orange cart' comparison attempt that is rather lazy and asinine. What's the difference between recording private phone calls between "friends" and private messaging on say a forum between "friends" if you feel there are bad actors present?
 
He said "give me actual terms amd don't basically go we ar elow balling you and want you to only get paid BY us."
He wanted them to come at hom with something better.
They didnt
 
He said "give me actual terms amd don't basically go we ar elow balling you and want you to only get paid BY us."
He wanted them to come at hom with something better.
They didnt

So wait four months, talk about your families Christmas then go Project Veritas on them like they're supporting crackwhores in public housing? If this failed would Crowder of faked a sexual harassment story? Maybe a secret love child? That might get them talking... I love Project Veritas but unlike Bacle I don't treat my friends and family like crackwhores or Jeff Bezos even with money on the line. 🤷‍♀️

YMMV

But I guess I also don't plot on undermining my longtime friends and families publicly for months on end instead of talking to them like an actual adult if I had issues with them. 🤷‍♀️
 
He said "give me actual terms amd don't basically go we ar elow balling you and want you to only get paid BY us."
He wanted them to come at hom with something better.
They didnt
It's not conducive to good business negotiations to just say "Nope. Try again." You counter offer. He should have come back with something like: "How about a version that excludes the demonotisation of YouTube, personal control of merchandise and a guaranteed floor to the pay which is high enough to pay the employee roster?" Then they offer something different that's closer to what he wants and so on. Making it a guessing game and then pulling the rug out from under them does not exactly scream good faith negotiations, so much as it looks like an effort to undercut his opposition for prominence among the right.
 
Interesting hypothetical. They just got Jordan Peterson on board recently and the PragerU's entire library. And they're making movies apparently like the Western released last Summer with Gina Carano lol. But where is this new talent that Crowder is so worried about? None of their recent acquisitions I think could be considered "young and upcoming."
See, I had not heard that Peterson had signed on with DW before all this came out.

And I thought the Carano movie happened before Owens officially came onboard, or was that after?

Either way DW doesn't exactly have a huge group of younger talent at this point.
Sir I'm agreeing with you. This is an attempt at an 'apple to orange cart' comparison attempt that is rather lazy and asinine. What's the difference between recording private phone calls between "friends" and private messaging on say a forum between "friends" if you feel there are bad actors present?
Well, for one thing text is easier to fake than voice or video.

Lot harder to convincingly deep-fake voice or video for use in situations like this, unless you are a state-level actor, where as faking text and even metadata in a digital format is a increasingly easier thing to accomplish.

I mean I also see the point you desire to make in an attempt at a gotcha about privacy, likely in relation to the PM clusterfuck that began this forum, but I'm not going to play that game. Someone who uses that sort of contract as a boilerplate and then won't send a new contract when the old one is rejected out right and the counter-offer is 'this price, on a new contract'.

DW didn't want to send a new contract with a new figure and new terms, so the deal broke down. Crowder however realized that he was able to walk away when others could not, and that warning others about what the boilerplate contract and management attitudes at DW were could save a lot of people a lot of grief in the long run.

You keep dodging the 'wage slave' line that Boring said, as do most DW defenders, wonder why.
It's not conducive to good business negotiations to just say "Nope. Try again." You counter offer. He should have come back with something like: "How about a version that excludes the demonotisation of YouTube, personal control of merchandise and a guaranteed floor to the pay which is high enough to pay the employee roster?" Then they offer something different that's closer to what he wants and so on. Making it a guessing game and then pulling the rug out from under them does not exactly scream good faith negotiations, so much as it looks like an effort to undercut his opposition for prominence among the right.
Because Crowder was insulted that DW didn't even do enough background research to realize he'd already been demonetized on Youtube before sending terms over, and sent the standard boilerplate because they expected Crowder to play the haggle/red line game with them, and they expect Crowder to assume all the risk while ignoring how much Crowder could bring with him.

DW were arrogant and lazy in the contract they sent to Crowder initially, not even bothering to modify a boilerplate contract for someone already demonetized on Youtube, and the attitude of management (wage slave line) showed how badly decieved people were about how DW functioned and whether it had business practices that supported the values it's media claimed to represent.

Outing the DW contract, and showing DW is using the same scummy tactics musicians have been screwed over by for decades, has done a massive favor for the right as a whole. DW's contract reads like it could have come from a particularly greedy rap label, or the manager who lost Queen back in the day, and until BigCon learns the right won't accept that, they will continue to snooker both their watchers and their new talent.
 
Well, for one thing text is easier to fake than voice or video.

Lot harder to convincingly deep-fake voice or video for use in situations like this, unless you are a state-level actor, where as faking text and even metadata in a digital format is a increasingly easier thing to accomplish.

I mean I also see the point you desire to make in an attempt at a gotcha about privacy, likely in relation to the PM clusterfuck that began this forum, but I'm not going to play that game. Someone who uses that sort of contract as a boilerplate and then won't send a new contract when the old one is rejected out right and the counter-offer is 'this price, on a new contract'.

So the only issue I guess with disclosing private messaging is the medium, text to voice. So this PM Clusterfuck that you brought up that apparently founded this forum? You would've supported publicizing the PM's if released responsibly (ie no doctoring).

DW didn't want to send a new contract with a new figure and new terms, so the deal broke down. Crowder however realized that he was able to walk away when others could not, and that warning others about what the boilerplate contract and management attitudes at DW were could save a lot of people a lot of grief in the long run.

What people was it going to save grief from? No one has shown anyone whose come close to being preyed upon by their supposedly predatory contract and management attitudes. None of those hired have fit the bill and those that have done contract negotiations with them (ie Dave Rubin, Lauren Chen, Mikhaila Peterson etc) have anything bad to say about the process. Yet Steven Crowder, with far more experience and resources, is far more victimized.
 
It's not conducive to good business negotiations to just say "Nope. Try again." You counter offer. He should have come back with something like: "How about a version that excludes the demonotisation of YouTube, personal control of merchandise and a guaranteed floor to the pay which is high enough to pay the employee roster?" Then they offer something different that's closer to what he wants and so on. Making it a guessing game and then pulling the rug out from under them does not exactly scream good faith negotiations, so much as it looks like an effort to undercut his opposition for prominence among the right.
More along the lines of.
"We are going to basically send him a contract that goes against everything he would agree to."
They knew he was not going to agree. Because they would literally have to be stupid to not know how often he gets his on his channel
 
More along the lines of.
"We are going to basically send him a contract that goes against everything he would agree to."
They knew he was not going to agree. Because they would literally have to be stupid to not know how often he gets his on his channel

So we've had Jordan Peterson, Candace Owens and Brett Cooper disclose how they received similar boilerplate offers with two of them stating they went through months of negotiation and somehow none of them felt coerced or being preyed upon afterwards. Maybe they're trapped like former Crowder Producer Family Member Producer Not Gay Jared Munroe allegedly is with Crowders' NDA's/Contracts. I hope Crowder is able to save all of these hypothetical, undefined Young Conservatives from normal contracts and business negotiation that folks like Jared Munroe has experienced and all of the victims of DW that have come forward. 😔

Or maybe Crowder is so sensitive that he stewed on it for months before deciding to spent weeks prepping outing his alleged friends in a post-Christmas personal phone call that he recorded, registering domain names a month ahead of time and treating these colleagues like Project Veritas treats crackwhores and pedophiles.

Or maybe you know... this was all planned by Crowder so that he and his porcine ManBearPig newsreader Quartering can launch their new service which will totally be better than every Conservative new media that comes before it which they've apparently been planning to announce for weeks/months ahead of time.
 
So the only issue I guess with disclosing private messaging is the medium, text to voice. So this PM Clusterfuck that you brought up that apparently founded this forum? You would've supported publicizing the PM's if released responsibly (ie no doctoring).
If it was done with certain edits for personally ID'ing info on the part of participants, then I guess I'd be fine if people wanted to comb through thousands of pages of what was basically a small chatroom, if they really are that fucking bored.

Now the question is, would you, given this would affect you @Husky_Khan as well, given you were part of said PMs under another name?

Unlike many from SB here, I didn't change my name to detach from history with/on SB.

But you want to make this about me and SB and the PM, so you don't have to address the critisisms of DW contract or reaction. Remember, Crowder didn't single them out, DW outed themselves, and you dodge addressing DWs actions by trying to make this a personal fight over a mutual past.
What people was it going to save grief from? No one has shown anyone whose come close to being preyed upon by their supposedly predatory contract and management attitudes. None of those hired have fit the bill and those that have done contract negotiations with them (ie Dave Rubin, Lauren Chen, Mikhaila Peterson etc) have anything bad to say about the process. Yet Steven Crowder, with far more experience and resources, is far more victimized.
Most of those folks were well off and known before DW was a thing, is what you seem to miss, and that Crowder wasn't talking about them (not sure Mikhaila is tbh). Crowder is saving young talent who may not have the fund to red line a who contract or the ability to walkaway from/modify a bad contract to a fair degree (again, you ignore the wage slave and the context it brings to the management).

I have explained what Crowder said multiple times, and instead of acknowledge it you have just insisted on trying to make this into a personal gatcha attempt and have dodged addressing the points I raised about the 'wage slave' comment.
 
If it was done with certain edits for personally ID'ing info on the part of participants, then I guess I'd be fine if people wanted to comb through thousands of pages of what was basically a small chatroom, if they really are that fucking bored.

No of course not. It would be edited for things of interest. Project Veritas edits its recordings, so a hypothetical PM discussion would be as well or else its "value and utility in accountability that comes with recording... bad actors." would be mitigated. I'm glad to know though that you've given permission for anyone who feels there are bad actors in the hypothetical PM Discussion that may still have access to it, could release those PM's as long as they edit it responsibly. And of course, for any ongoing PM discussions that are going on there... here... or discussions on Discord, Slack, or whatever else that may contain bad actors who may need dirty laundry exposed Project Veritas style.

Now the question is, would you, given this would affect you @Husky_Khan as well, given you were part of said PMs under another name?

Who gives a shit? Jeremy Boreing wasn't asked about a phone call, why bother asking consent for anyone involved in this hypothetical PM Discussion. If Crowder doesn't care, why should anyone in this hypothetical.

Unlike many from SB here, I didn't change my name to detach from history with/on SB. But you want to make this about me and SB and the PM, so you don't have to address the critisisms of DW contract or reaction. Remember, Crowder didn't single them out, DW outed themselves, and you dodge addressing DWs actions by trying to make this a personal fight over a mutual past.

Excuse me... I'm not the one making this about you and SB and this PM. I was merely floating the idea of a PM discussion on a forum being disclosed. I never said the SB PM Debacle. I was perfectly happy discussing a hypothetical without naming names. No one even brought up the SB PM Debacle until you outed yourself and gave permission to anyone to disclose it all because there might be some bad actors or dirty laundry in it. 🤷‍♀️

Most of those folks were well off and known before DW was a thing, is what you seem to miss, and that Crowder wasn't talking about them (not sure Mikhaila is tbh). Crowder is saving young talent who may not have the fund to red line a who contract or the ability to walkaway from/modify a bad contract to a fair degree

He's literally saved no one. Everything you are discussing is a complete hypothetical as everyone that has come out so far, whether hired or not, has stated nothing predatory has occurred with Daily Wire contract negotiations. When DW hired Brett Cooper initially, they offered her a new contract when her Instagram Account exploded from seven thousand followers before she was hired within a year despite her being under the old contract which she signed with them when she was 19 years old.

(again, you ignore the wage slave and the context it brings to the management). I have explained what Crowder said multiple times, and instead of acknowledge it you have just insisted on trying to make this into a personal gatcha attempt and have dodged addressing the points I raised about the 'wage slave' comment.

Yeah imagine Steven Crowder being offended by someone else on a personal private phone call with him using the term "wage slave." I'm sure Crowder has never used controversial language in a phone call personal or other communication. He just saves it for the content behind his paywall lol. Your so offended by the 'wage slave' comment when Crowder says far more spicy things regularly in public. In Jeremy Boring's response video, he literally referred to himself as the God King, said he was always right when his talent disagreed with him and that they were chronically understaffed and perpetually overworked. But every nitwit is fine with casual hyperbolic speech until Crowder privately records one comment on a personal Holiday phone call.
 
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No of course not. It would be edited for things of interest. Project Veritas edits its recordings, so a hypothetical PM discussion would be as well or else its "value and utility in accountability that comes with recording... bad actors." would be mitigated. I'm glad to know though that you've given permission for anyone who feels there are bad actors in the hypothetical PM Discussion that may still have access to it, could release those PM's as long as they edit it responsibly. And of course, for any ongoing PM discussions that are going on there... here... or discussions on Discord, Slack, or whatever else that may contain bad actors who may need dirty laundry exposed Project Veritas style.
Frankly if you actually have screenshots and copies from only the SB PM, that's amazing, considering I thought it was nuked and inaccessable to even SB staff.

And that is the only PM I have mentioned here, though you @Husky_Khan seem to imply this is about any and all PM from anyone to anyone, which is not what I said.

Can you stop playing this stupid game and actually address the issue with the 'wage slave' comment. or are all you going to do is try to make this into a personal spat to deflect from how bad this all make DW look?
Who gives a shit? Jeremy Boreing wasn't asked about a phone call, why bother asking consent for anyone involved in this hypothetical PM Discussion.
Ah, because as I pointed out, text is much easier to fake than voice or video, as the whole situation around the SB PM proved as well, something you conveniently forget because decided to make this personal in a stupid and petty gotcha attempt.

And this was also about a business dealing as well; notice Crowder didn't put anything about family or the like in to it because that isn't stuff the public needs to see, as it has no bearing on the business deal at hand.

That is different from proposing dumping PM logs, which are text and thus much easier to fake than voice or video, of anyone and everyone as a gotcha attempt against one person.
Excuse me... I'm not the one making this about you and SB and this PM. I was merely floating the idea of a PM discussion on a forum being disclosed. I never said the SB PM Debacle. I was perfectly happy discussing a hypothetical without naming names. No one even brought up the SB PM Debacle until you outed yourself and gave permission to anyone to disclose it all because there might be some bad actors or dirty laundry in it. 🤷‍♀️
I said 'likely PM clusterfuck' and you didn't deny it at all, because you think you are being oh so fucking clever and want to protect DW from Crowder any way you can by dodging the 'wage slave' comment.

He's literally saved no one. Everything you are discussing is a complete hypothetical as everyone that has come out so far, whether hired or not, has stated nothing predatory has occurred with Daily Wire contract negotiations. When DW hired Brett Cooper initially, they offered her a new contract when her YouTube Account exploded from seven thousand followers before she was hired within a year despite her being under the old contract she signed with them under when she was 19 years old.
Oh 'hypotheticals' bother you now. :rolleyes:

You just want a gotcha against me and want to keep the discussion away from the 'wage slave' comment and it's implications for DW management and why Crowder felt it necessary to do this.

Because for some reasong attempting to score cheap gotcha's against me using this sort of shit, and deflecting from the discussion at hand with it, is something you really like doing.
Yeah imagine Steven Crowder being offended by someone else on a personal private phone call with him using the term "wage slave." I'm sure Crowder has never used controversial language in a phone call personal or other communication. He just saves it for the content behind his paywall lol. Your so offended by the 'wage slave' comment when Crowder says far more spicy things regularly in public. In Jeremy Boring's response video, he literally referred to himself as the God King, said he was always right when his talent disagreed with him and that they were chronically understaffed and perpetually overworked. But every nitwit is fine with casual hyperbolic speech until Crowder privately records one comment on a personal Holiday phone call.
I once resigned from a job because I wanted to paint 'wage slaver' on a corpo exec's car after I was coerced into off the clock labor by a skeleton crew deli at a semi-major chain. I know that coerced off-the-clock labor is not what Mr. Boring intended, however even jokingly referring to your employees that way says a lot about what sort of person is operating DW.

I am hardly the only person with experiences like this, and 'wage slave' is not a term thrown around in 'fun' conversations most of the time.

It seems like Crowder understands that an exec at a supposed right-wing leaning media group referring to his employees that way, and giving out boiler plates that look like shitty rap label contract that completely ignores any sort of simple background research on the subject, has horrible implications for the movement DW supposedly supports and represents.

You also completely ignored the whole 'Crowder was already demonetized, DW contract still had Youtube bits in it because lazy boilerplate'. DW is so arrogant and lazy it does not even bother to tailor new employment/partnership contracts to existing social media bans, bans that are not secret and not exactly recent either.

That you cannot see the issues with what DW's is doing/has done, and instead decided to turn this into another gotcha attempt against me, shows how weak DW's position really is, when the voice recording and the reactions are accounted for.
 
Ah, because as I pointed out, text is much easier to fake than voice or video, as the whole situation around the SB PM proved as well, something you conveniently forget because decided to make this personal in a stupid and petty gotcha attempt.

Bruh the technology thing was already addressed in my hypothetical. No need to revisist it!

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See you already addressed it.

Frankly if you actually have screenshots and copies from only the SB PM, that's amazing, considering I thought it was nuked and inaccessable to even SB staff. And that is the only PM I have mentioned here, though you @Husky_Khan seem to imply this is about any and all PM from anyone to anyone, which is not what I said. That is different from proposing dumping PM logs, which are text and thus much easier to fake than voice or video, of anyone and everyone as a gotcha attempt against one person. I said 'likely PM clusterfuck' and you didn't deny it at all, because you think you are being oh so fucking clever and want to protect DW from Crowder any way you can by dodging the 'wage slave' comment.

Again, sir I didn't bring up the SB PM Debacle. And it's not meant as a 'Gotcha.' I was offering a hypothetical which I would assume would apply to all privileged communications as long as there is "dirty laundry" or "bad actors" within like I stated before. The fact that you would be more than willing to open it up this PM Debacle you brought up to the public is actually something I commend you for. I don't think most people would want to behave like Project Veritas does towards crackwhores and pedophiles or Crowder against his alleged friends and associates for a decade or longer like you would towards your apparent associates in this SB PM group you were apparently the member of, but I'm glad that you are maintaining consistency to this and other private communications as well beyond any PM Debacle, real or hypothetical as long as "bad actors" or "dirty laundry" is aired.

I personally couldn't contemplate a scenario where I would treat my friends and associates, even ones on the internet, like Project Veritas would treat crackwhores and pedophiles, or Crowder against his alleged friends and associates for a decade or longer, even if they use highly problematic terms like 'wage slave' in private personal conversations so I admire you for your consistency and dedication to your principles.

And this was also about a business dealing as well; notice Crowder didn't put anything about family or the like in to it because that isn't stuff the public needs to see, as it has no bearing on the business deal at hand.

There was no business deal at hand. The last time that was referenced was four months ago when Crowder was upset by the non-binding term paper issued to him and they both stepped away graciously. They were talking about their kids Christmases and buying baby formula in the same conversation as what you're alleging to be a "business deal."

I said 'likely PM clusterfuck' and you didn't deny it at all, because you think you are being oh so fucking clever and want to protect DW from Crowder any way you can by dodging the 'wage slave' comment.

Can you stop playing this stupid game and actually address the issue with the 'wage slave' comment. or are all you going to do is try to make this into a personal spat to deflect from how bad this all make DW look?

You just want a gotcha against me and want to keep the discussion away from the 'wage slave' comment and it's implications for DW management and why Crowder felt it necessary to do this.

DW contract still had Youtube bits in it because lazy boilerplate'. DW is so arrogant and lazy it does not even bother to tailor new employment/partnership contracts to existing social media bans, bans that are not secret and not exactly recent either.

That you cannot see the issues with what DW's is doing/has done, and instead decided to turn this into another gotcha attempt against me, shows how weak DW's position really is, when the voice recording and the reactions are accounted for.

What has the Daily Wire done that is so bad again? Beyond sending Crowder a boilerplate non binding term papers and using the term 'wage slave' in a personal phone call? Everything else seems to be hypothetical.

So here's the evidence we have so far:

> Non-Employees Lauren Chen and Dave Rubin stating their negotiations with Daily Wire was fine.
> Employees Candace Owens and Jordan Peterson stating their negotiations with Daily Wire was fine and similar to Crowder with initial term paper issued.
> Employee Brett Cooper stating after negotiating her first contract, Daily Wire offered her a new contract even though she was under an older one which was negotiated over three months where she was compensated even more, going from 7K on Instagram to 500K on Instagram, 1.15 million followers on YouTube, 1million followers on TikTok, and 100K+ on Twitter and Facebook in aboot a year.
> Crowder being deceptive in his initial video about the contract.
> Crowder allegedly putting his "family members" like Jared Munroe under NDA's/Contracts that forbid them from speaking up about his business practices.
> Daily Wire and Crowder both have similar paywalls off of YouTube they monetize.

Versus Crowder

> Issued a non-binding boilerplate Term Paper similar to that of every other DailyWire employee after Crowder asked for one in lieu of any discussion beforehand.
> Used the Term "Wage Slave" in a Private Personal Call Crowder was Secretly Recording Four Months After a Business Dealing
> Crowders' Hypothetical Concern for New Upcoming Talent which so far has no bearing on reality

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and want to protect DW from Crowder any way you can

LOL I love these stories you weave. You are really good at world building and creating physically attractive antagonists with deep, colorful, profound motivations and backstories etc.
 
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Again, sir I didn't bring up the SB PM Debacle. And it's not meant as a 'Gotcha.' I was offering a hypothetical which I would assume would apply to all privileged communications as long as there is "dirty laundry" or "bad actors" within like I stated before. The fact that you would be more than willing to open it up this PM Debacle you brought up to the public is actually something I commend you for. I don't think most people would want to behave like Project Veritas does towards crackwhores and pedophiles or Crowder against his alleged friends and associates for a decade or longer like you would towards your apparent associates in this SB PM group you were apparently the member of, but I'm glad that you are maintaining consistency to this and other private communications as well beyond any PM Debacle, real or hypothetical as long as "bad actors" or "dirty laundry" is aired.

I personally couldn't contemplate a scenario where I would treat my friends and associates, even ones on the internet, like Project Veritas would treat crackwhores and pedophiles, or Crowder against his alleged friends and associates for a decade or longer, even if they use highly problematic terms like 'wage slave' in private personal conversations so I admire you for your consistency and dedication to your principles.
Oh please, you knew exactly which hypothetical you wanted to trot out, as soon as you mentioned PMs, don't play coy.

And do you consider that perhaps you have likened Crowders relationship and the phone calls to the PM, and assumed a stance I am talking about all communication (which I have not, but you ignore this for your gotcha bullshit), is overstretching the relationship between Crowder and Boring?

You @Husky_Khan are the one insisting that I mean to say this applies to all private communications and sticking these words in my mouth with your rhetorical gotcha attempts. Nor did I say that people in the PM were crackhead and whores, or anything close to that; that's you, all you @Husky_Khan.
There was no business deal at hand. The last time that was referenced was four months ago when Crowder was upset by the non-binding term paper issued to him and they both stepped away graciously. They were talking about their kids Christmases and buying baby formula in the same conversation as what you're alleging to be a "business deal."
There is a reason Crowder kept the parts he aired to only bits relevant to the situation at hand; a call can have more than one purpose, and Crowder didn't air any of the bits not relevant to the deal/contract he was given.

What has the Daily Wire done that is so bad again? Beyond sending Crowder a boilerplate non binding term papers and using the term 'wage slave' in a personal phone call? Everything else seems to be hypothetical.

So here's the evidence we have so far:

> Non-Employees Lauren Chen and Dave Rubin stating their negotiations with Daily Wire was fine.
> Employees Candace Owens and Jordan Peterson stating their negotiations with Daily Wire was fine and similar to Crowder with initial term paper issued.
> Employee Brett Cooper stating after negotiating her first contract, Daily Wire offered her a new contract even though she was under an older one which was negotiated over three months where she was compensated even more, going from 7K on Instagram to 500K on Instagram, 1.15 million followers on YouTube, 1million followers on TikTok, and 100K+ on Twitter and Facebook in aboot a year.
> Crowder being deceptive in his initial video about the contract.
> Crowder allegedly putting his "family members" like Jared Munroe under NDA's/Contracts that forbid them from speaking up about his business practices.
> Daily Wire and Crowder both have similar paywalls off of YouTube they monetize.

Versus Crowder

> Issued a non-binding boilerplate Term Paper similar to that of every other DailyWire employee after Crowder asked for one in lieu of any discussion beforehand.
> Used the Term "Wage Slave" in a Private Personal Call Crowder was Secretly Recording Four Months After a Business Dealing
> Crowders' Hypothetical Concern for New Upcoming Talent which so far has no bearing on reality
How about Shaprio pushing the vax for longer than most, and only really recently recanting on that?

How about DW pushing shit contracts that look like the sort shiester record labels do?

How about never interviewing Kari Lake, and complaining about the people holding up the McCarthy vote?

How about the insane ad read requirements?

You keep ignoring the context around the phone call, and have instead insisted on making about trying to put word in my mouth continuously and assume far more than what I actually say.
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LOL I love these stories you weave. You are really good at world building and creating physically attractive antagonists with deep, colorful, profound motivations and backstories etc.
And you think you good at using a lot of flowery, dramatic language to attempt to seem to play clever gotcha games by inserting verbage into people's mouth's that wasn't there, and trying to force implications onto them by doing so.

You been doing this to me in multiple threads ever since back during the build up to the Ukraine invasion, when I thought it was a bluff, and have done it in multiple threads and multiple topics where I posted, trying to make it about playing a gotcha game on me instead of actually dealing with the topic at hand.

It's why I keep referring Crowder's actions and DW's actions, while you keep trying to make it about my actions and put words in my mouth.

Edit: For example, your comments about my Amazon account showed how you were trying for a cheap gotcha, because I dared to post in the Rings of Power thread that I actually liked the show, and you wanted to imply not supporting the Daily Wire but having an Amazon Prime account made me a hypocrite or something. And when I pointed this all out, you dodged it and tried to ignore it. Like that whole commentary showed you just wanted to score a gotcha on me, and would use completely unrelated topics to do so.
 
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No, I cannot name new talent at DW; most recent acquisition I heard of was probably Owens herself.

Brett Cooper, who as Mark Dice noted is a Hollywood princess with a lot of SAG ties and a bunch of lefty connections.

Mind ye Dice seems to think both sides of this conflict are terrible, but he makes a good point about the Wire making a huge deal about beating Hollywood, while being all too happy to take their plants.
 
Oh please, you knew exactly which hypothetical you wanted to trot out, as soon as you mentioned PMs, don't play coy.

And do you consider that perhaps you have likened Crowders relationship and the phone calls to the PM, and assumed a stance I am talking about all communication (which I have not, but you ignore this for your gotcha bullshit), is overstretching the relationship between Crowder and Boring?

You @Husky_Khan are the one insisting that I mean to say this applies to all private communications and sticking these words in my mouth with your rhetorical gotcha attempts. Nor did I say that people in the PM were crackhead and whores, or anything close to that; that's you, all you @Husky_Khan.
There is a reason Crowder kept the parts he aired to only bits relevant to the situation at hand; a call can have more than one purpose, and Crowder didn't air any of the bits not relevant to the deal/contract he was given.

I talk about hypothetical PM's on a forum and you outed yourself. Don't blame me that you think you fell for some 'Gotcha.' I've repeatedly stated in this hypothetical that the only things in this PM that should be released is how Crowder or Project Veritas would do. Edited for content and in Crowder's case, personal information.

And I never said you considered the people in your PM group that you outed as pedophiles and crackwhores (not crackhead and whores as you say) I'm merely stating that's who Project Veritas often targets and you feel it's justified to do that to alleged friends and family if we need to expose bad actors and dirty laundry.

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I only said you would expose private communication like how you admitted above you'd open up your PM Discussion to expose 'dirty laundry' and expose 'bad actors.'

How about Shaprio pushing the vax for longer than most, and only really recently recanting on that?

How about DW pushing shit contracts that look like the sort shiester record labels do?

How about never interviewing Kari Lake, and complaining about the people holding up the McCarthy vote?

I don't see how any of this has anything to do with contract negotiations unless you, as you say... really overstretch it but then again 'You been doing this to me in multiple threads ever since back during the build up to the Ukraine invasion, when I thought it was real, and have done it in multiple threads and multiple topics where I posted, trying to make it about playing a gotcha game on me instead of actually dealing with the topic at hand.'

Which again...

> Non-Employees Lauren Chen and Dave Rubin stating their negotiations with Daily Wire was fine.
> Employees Candace Owens and Jordan Peterson stating their negotiations with Daily Wire was fine and similar to Crowder with initial term paper issued.
> Employee Brett Cooper stating after negotiating her first contract, Daily Wire offered her a new contract even though she was under an older one which was negotiated over three months where she was compensated even more, going from 7K on Instagram to 500K on Instagram, 1.15 million followers on YouTube, 1million followers on TikTok, and 100K+ on Twitter and Facebook in aboot a year.
> Crowder being deceptive in his initial video about the contract.
> Crowder allegedly putting his "family members" like Jared Munroe under NDA's/Contracts that forbid them from speaking up about his business practices.
> Daily Wire and Crowder both have similar paywalls off of YouTube they monetize.

Versus Crowder

> Issued a non-binding boilerplate Term Paper similar to that of every other DailyWire employee after Crowder asked for one in lieu of any discussion beforehand.
> Used the Term "Wage Slave" in a Private Personal Call Crowder was Secretly Recording Four Months After a Business Dealing
> Crowders' Hypothetical Concern for New Upcoming Talent which so far has no bearing on reality

How about the insane ad read requirements?

Sounds like something that can be handled in negotiation which is apparently what you do in cases like these.

You keep ignoring the context around the phone call, and have instead insisted on making about trying to put word in my mouth continuously and assume far more than what I actually say.

I actually repeatedly referenced the context behind the phone call. Of its personal nature since they were discussing their family Christmases and baby formula purchases and how it occurred four months after the contract negotiations had been graciously abandoned by both parties.

And you think you good at using a lot of flowery, dramatic language to attempt to seem to play clever gotcha games by inserting verbage into people's mouth's that wasn't there, and trying to force implications onto them by doing so.

You been doing this to me in multiple threads ever since back during the build up to the Ukraine invasion, when I thought it was a bluff, and have done it in multiple threads and multiple topics where I posted, trying to make it about playing a gotcha game on me instead of actually dealing with the topic at hand.

Edit: For example, your comments about my Amazon account showed how you were trying for a cheap gotcha, because I dared to post in the Rings of Power thread that I actually liked the show, and you wanted to imply not supporting the Daily Wire but having an Amazon Prime account made me a hypocrite or something. And when I pointed this all out, you dodged it and tried to ignore it. Like that whole commentary showed you just wanted to score a gotcha on me, and would use completely unrelated topics to do so.

I didn't want to do this. I don't understand the ire directed towards me. I didn't want to make this personal. I don't know why you outed yourself so quickly, admitting to everyone that you were fine with the PM Discussion being opened up to the public to expose dirty laundry and bad actors like Project Veritas and Steven Crowder do) and claim I was trying a 'Gotcha' tactic when I just posed a hypothetical question in a personal discussion on a forum which unlike Crowder or Veritas, there's a text record of everything said. I mean at least you didn't say something truly awful like the term 'Wage Slave.'
 
Anyways I thought I posted this before but I couldn't find it. But the mention of ad reads made me giggle.

But these videos made me lol seriously.





These impressions are spot on. Especially Jordan Peterson's and that Yarmulke is a Hate Crime. :LOL:
 

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