The motivations for sex and the consequences

I definitely agree that marriage is the only mechanism that can stabilize sexual desire. The free love experiment has failed.
Completely and utterly.
Agreed but at the same time so have blue laws if you want this kind of change to occur, it has to start at home.
We have to critically examine the things society has taught us all about sex, marriage, love, etc.

For all that talk people have about the evangelicals, they were as much influenced by leftism as everything else is and leftism is feminism which is leftism.

What do I mean?

An article I have posted before:


Arrogant and manipulative bullies have more sex, Brock U. study says

Team wondered: Would someone lacking empathy have more sexual partners? Someone with a short fuse?

Teens who are willing to exploit others for their own gain are more likely to be bullies and to have more sexual partners than those who score higher on a measure of honesty and humility. That's what a new study from a team at Brock University suggests.

A team including Brock associate professor of child and youth studies Anthony Volk had previously found that bullies had more sex.

They wanted to know: Was it all bullies, or just ones with particular personality traits?

In the follow-up, which was published last month in Evolutionary Psychology Science, they studied a comparison of different negative traits.

Would someone lacking empathy have more sexual partners? Someone with a short fuse?

As it turned out, the variable that could be correlated to having more sex was scoring low on a measure of humility and honesty. Someone who is arrogant and manipulative, and willing to be so, is more likely to have more sex, Volk's team found.

"That's really the only one that came up as being predictive of people taking this behaviour and using it to exploit others," he said. "It's also the trait that best predicts bullying overall."

They set up two groups: 144 older adolescents with a mean age of 18.3, and 396 younger adolescents with a mean age of 14.6.

They gave each a questionnaire about their sexual activity as well as likelihood of bullying.

Personality a bigger factor than gender

They found that regardless of gender, teens with low humility-honesty readings were more likely to bully and to use that bullying as a strategy to have more sex.

"Both adolescent boys and girls will use an advantage in power to impress and get opportunities to have sex with their desired partners," he said. "The best answer is that it seems to be driven by personality, not by gender."


The study has Volk and his team, including Daniel Provenzano of the University of Windsor, thinking about what can be done to curb teen bullying. He said it boils down to this:

How do you give someone with that personality trait an alternative way to achieve what they're achieving through bullying?

"So if you're trying to impress the opposite sex, if you're trying to impress your peers, you can do that by hurting weaker people to show off your power," he said. "Or in this system that we're trying to pilot … if you give them roles in the classroom that give them that dominance and visibility."

Volk said the team will be rolling out a test intervention in some Niagara-area schools in the coming year as part of an evaluation of kinds of interventions.

For younger students, that might look like being the door greeter at school, so everyone sees and acknowledges them on the way in.

"That's a way of meeting that arrogance, that self-centredness that underlies honesty-humility," he said.

"You still punish the bullying, but you have to recognize the same time that if you just say, 'Stop bullying – we're going to punish you,' and you can't catch them in the first place … you're saying, stop having the benefits of having sex and being popular and getting all the resources you want because we said so," he said.


"It doesn't work. So you have to give them an alternative that allows them to still get those same benefits without hurting other people."

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So men who are basically the "outcasts" of society and leftism cause they exude "Toxic masculinity" get the women while men who society demand to be empathetic, are non-toxic masculine, work hard and bow before female demands get nothing or crumbs.

We have seen women who are feminist call men who are led by women cucked boyfriends, losers and even their own boyfriends, simps.

We have anecdotes of women who when attacked by their male significant other when rescued by an outsider who attacks their bf, said women join their bf in attacking said outsider.

We have articles that talk about how the number of men not having sex at all is increasing while the number of women having sex increases. How does one explain this? Well the women are either hooking up with each other or Chad/Tyrone and neither of these need be exclusive.

I have posted before an article about how women who even though have tons of money still desire men richer then them. Some other sites who posted said article had their own additions where there were interviews where professional women said that she is still looking for a man that matches her standard and if she cannot find it, she will settle for hooking up with a fellow female.

So women fuck each other and Chad/Tyrone and rest of maledome get nothing or once again crumbs.

And now we have society and media encouraging open relationships and cheating cause women find monogamy harder or women have better sex in such relationships. So what this really means is that the rest of maledome has the choice of nothing or getting a woman only to support her while she fucks Chad/Tyrone.
 
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@Random Username

What say you Random?

The demands of society and how it teaches men to be are utterly in contradiction to what women find attractive which can well explain why women are biggest supporters of immigration. There are anecdotes of white women marrying tons of north african males in Europe or arabs.

Our current morality is utterly in contradiction to nature.
 
@Random Username

What say you Random?

The demands of society and how it teaches men to be are utterly in contradiction to what women find attractive which can well explain why women are biggest supporters of immigration. There are anecdotes of white women marrying tons of north african males in Europe or arabs.

Our current morality is utterly in contradiction to nature.
Give me a moment. I'll put some thought to it I'm on a train.
 
@LifeisTiresome

The anecdotes you are talking about is true to an extent but what I saw before to see it that way was the women taking advantage of the refugee crisis.

Be it man or women the result is the same. To take advantage of the system for some virile foreign piece of meat. That Calais camp can be likened to a prostitution ring in exchange for better conditions after having sex with the female staff and interested women. The men who were aid workers I read also partook in it.




 
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@LifeisTiresome

The anecdotes you are talking about is true to an extent but what I saw before to see it that way was the women taking advantage of the refugee crisis.

Be it man or women the result is the same. To take advantage of the system for some virile foreign piece of meat. That Calais camp could be likened to a prostitution ring in exchange for better conditions after having sex with the female staff and interested women.




Yes, they take advantage cause they find those men more attractive then Westernized men. Why is that? Think about it. One of your own articles has a comment say that they can't blame the women cause said men were real men compared to worthless lay abouts back home.

They crave it so much that they allow their own daughters to be abused.

Also, you haven't commented on the rest of my post, just the refugee part. Still I thank you for the evidence.

And yes, men partake, I never denied that but does what they do have a greater effect on society compared to women wanting these men and leaving their own men to become incels or simps?

@Urabrask Revealed

Check what Random has posted.
 
Yes, they take advantage cause they find those men more attractive then Westernized men. Why is that? Think about it. One of your own articles has a comment say that they can't blame the women cause said men were real men compared to worthless lay abouts back home.

They crave it so much that they allow their own daughters to be abused.

Also, you haven't commented on the rest of my post, just the refugee part. Still I thank you for the evidence.
I have read about those problems of society you did mention the Western men being feminised. I can't give much of a strong opinion on it besides sharing what I heard.

Women supporting immigration to get better spouses or fuckboys I don't know if they do that as their reason. Out of a sense of compassion? That's the word I tend to hear.
 
I have read about those problems of society you did mention the Western men being feminised. I can't give much of a strong opinion on it besides sharing what I heard.
But why? How can we have a discussion if you don't want to give an opinion?

Women supporting immigration to get better spouses or fuckboys I don't know if they do that as their reason. Out of a sense of compassion? That's the word I tend to hear.
That can play a part too. Just that it can change cause said men are better then their own and it becomes lust. Also, its been a while that people have theorized that women want refugees cause better men.

Btw, I have addressed your men do it too thing. Here it is:

And yes, men partake, I never denied that but does what they do have a greater effect on society compared to women wanting these men and leaving their own men to become incels or simps?
 
And yes, men partake, I never denied that but does what they do have a greater effect on society compared to women wanting these men and leaving their own men to become incels or simps?
Depends if they left children behind the men who spread their loins. But as the sex with infinite siring potential they can theoretically impregnate as many females as they can.

The woman on the other hand gets taken or if the education is making them consider not "marrying down" the local men without any possible spouse may seek a foreign women and the chance gets higher if they're loaded.


But why? How can we have a discussion if you want to give an opinion?
I just don't know what to say about it. I can only share what I heard.
 
I know that. I'm just saying I don't want to do away with age of consent laws like shieldwife seems to be saying.
I think thats an unfair reading, unless you're talking about some other thing she said besides what you quoted here.

"Of course, a line has to be drawn somewhere. Though the issue remains, is the guy who has consensual sex with a teenager just a monster who deserves to decades in prison and then to be removed from decent society, or is he a guy who is doing something he maybe shouldn't and get a slap on the wrist?"

What is being described here, in somewhat black and white terms, seems to be exactly what I brought up, that two situations, consisting of the same breach of law but with a very different context, can carry different punishments, even dramatically so.
 
I think thats an unfair reading, unless you're talking about some other thing she said besides what you quoted here.

"Of course, a line has to be drawn somewhere. Though the issue remains, is the guy who has consensual sex with a teenager just a monster who deserves to decades in prison and then to be removed from decent society, or is he a guy who is doing something he maybe shouldn't and get a slap on the wrist?"

What is being described here, in somewhat black and white terms, seems to be exactly what I brought up, that two situations, consisting of the same breach of law but with a very different context, can carry different punishments, even dramatically so.
And I already said that people in the 2-3 age gap can be exempt?
What other situation do you think earns a lesser penality?
 
Arranged marriages depend every much on mindset. Sometimes they did and are loving and loyal. Other times it varies from indifference and contempt to outright hate.
So, exactly like regular marriage in practice then.
I'm not sure if I would go 100% arranged marriages, but I don't know if young people are really very good at selecting partners, especially women. In a culture where parents, and to a lesser degree entire communities, guided the mating choices of young people I think we would have better outcomes. Our modern hyper-promiscuous society makes it even worse.
I completely agree.


From the article
Four days after the incident, the girl asked to stay with her father, after which she told her older sister about the events, who in turn told their father.
He reported it to police and spoke to the 45-year-old, who 'had not wanted to report 'because she was scared Dostmohammadi would have to leave Sweden if they did'.
Dostmohammadi was found guilty of sexual molestation and handed a three-month suspended sentence and ordered to undertake 100 hours of community service.
Blekinge County Court ruled that he must also pay the victim 15,000 kronor (£1,336) in compensation.
Fucking Sweden man. Molest a twelve year old and get a punishment so minor he'll almost certainly do it again.
 
Fucking Sweden man. Molest a twelve year old and get a punishment so minor he'll almost certainly do it again.
Places like that allows a pedo pass. Very terrible. Used to remember this one in Austria when a horny bastard grabbed a child in a pool because it was a sexual emergency. Sexual emergency my ass and I'm sure he'd want one to stick it into to satisfy his urges.


A case like that merits a medieval punishment with the rapist's balls nailed to the public square as a warning for such blatant rapery. So fucking stupid. Oh I can't hold it in I gotta cooom hey there's this random kid in a pool Imma grab him and drag him with me to cooom into.

Fuck me if I was that kid. Minding my own business in broad daylight and then some stranger kidnaps me for a raping.
 
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So, exactly like regular marriage in practice then.
Eh the difference is that your forced/coerced into it. Modern marriage/dating is entirely chosen. So if the passion burns out that’s a different matter than your parents telling you will go to the altar even if they have to drag you there.

That leads to an entirely different mental state. In the latter case-your not excited or even interested in your spouse, your being forced into doing something for the family.
 
Eh the difference is that your forced/coerced into it. Modern marriage/dating is entirely chosen. So if the passion burns out that’s a different matter than your parents telling you will go to the altar even if they have to drag you there.

That leads to an entirely different mental state. In the latter case-your not excited or even interested in your spouse, your being forced into doing something for the family.
What do you think Lord Invictus of my post here?


@Random Username

Will reply to you later. Too busy with work
 
We have to critically examine the things society has taught us all about sex, marriage, love, etc.

For all that talk people have about the evangelicals, they were as much influenced by leftism as everything else is and leftism is feminism which is leftism.

What do I mean?

An article I have posted before:


Arrogant and manipulative bullies have more sex, Brock U. study says

Team wondered: Would someone lacking empathy have more sexual partners? Someone with a short fuse?

Teens who are willing to exploit others for their own gain are more likely to be bullies and to have more sexual partners than those who score higher on a measure of honesty and humility. That's what a new study from a team at Brock University suggests.

A team including Brock associate professor of child and youth studies Anthony Volk had previously found that bullies had more sex.

They wanted to know: Was it all bullies, or just ones with particular personality traits?

In the follow-up, which was published last month in Evolutionary Psychology Science, they studied a comparison of different negative traits.

Would someone lacking empathy have more sexual partners? Someone with a short fuse?

As it turned out, the variable that could be correlated to having more sex was scoring low on a measure of humility and honesty. Someone who is arrogant and manipulative, and willing to be so, is more likely to have more sex, Volk's team found.

"That's really the only one that came up as being predictive of people taking this behaviour and using it to exploit others," he said. "It's also the trait that best predicts bullying overall."

They set up two groups: 144 older adolescents with a mean age of 18.3, and 396 younger adolescents with a mean age of 14.6.

They gave each a questionnaire about their sexual activity as well as likelihood of bullying.

Personality a bigger factor than gender

They found that regardless of gender, teens with low humility-honesty readings were more likely to bully and to use that bullying as a strategy to have more sex.

"Both adolescent boys and girls will use an advantage in power to impress and get opportunities to have sex with their desired partners," he said. "The best answer is that it seems to be driven by personality, not by gender."


The study has Volk and his team, including Daniel Provenzano of the University of Windsor, thinking about what can be done to curb teen bullying. He said it boils down to this:

How do you give someone with that personality trait an alternative way to achieve what they're achieving through bullying?

"So if you're trying to impress the opposite sex, if you're trying to impress your peers, you can do that by hurting weaker people to show off your power," he said. "Or in this system that we're trying to pilot … if you give them roles in the classroom that give them that dominance and visibility."

Volk said the team will be rolling out a test intervention in some Niagara-area schools in the coming year as part of an evaluation of kinds of interventions.

For younger students, that might look like being the door greeter at school, so everyone sees and acknowledges them on the way in.

"That's a way of meeting that arrogance, that self-centredness that underlies honesty-humility," he said.

"You still punish the bullying, but you have to recognize the same time that if you just say, 'Stop bullying – we're going to punish you,' and you can't catch them in the first place … you're saying, stop having the benefits of having sex and being popular and getting all the resources you want because we said so," he said.


"It doesn't work. So you have to give them an alternative that allows them to still get those same benefits without hurting other people."

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So men who are basically the "outcasts" of society and leftism cause they exude "Toxic masculinity" get the women while men who society demand to be empathetic, are non-toxic masculine, work hard and bow before female demands get nothing or crumbs.

We have seen women who are feminist call men who are led by women cucked boyfriends, losers and even their own boyfriends, simps.

We have anecdotes of women who when attacked by their male significant other when rescued by an outsider who attacks their bf, said women join their bf in attacking said outsider.

We have articles that talk about how the number of men not having sex at all is increasing while the number of women having sex increases. How does one explain this? Well the women are either hooking up with each other or Chad/Tyrone and neither of these need be exclusive.

I have posted before an article about how women who even though have tons of money still desire men richer then them. Some other sites who posted said article had their own additions where there were interviews where professional women said that she is still looking for a man that matches her standard and if she cannot find it, she will settle for hooking up with a fellow female.

So women fuck each other and Chad/Tyrone and rest of maledome get nothing or once again crumbs.

And now we have society and media encouraging open relationships and cheating cause women find monogamy harder or women have better sex in such relationships. So what this really means is that the rest of maledome has the choice of nothing or getting a woman only to support her while she fucks Chad/Tyrone.
Eh, They might have screwed up cause and effect here. People who aren't going to be bullies: Social outcasts. People who aren't social: also not likely to have sex. Also, people who bully are more likely to be socially outgoing as well as being strong, and more masculine. I'm not sure that it's bullying that causes the attraction, rather it might be that popular people are more likely to bully and more likely to have sex.
 
We have to critically examine the things society has taught us all about sex, marriage, love, etc.

For all that talk people have about the evangelicals, they were as much influenced by leftism as everything else is and leftism is feminism which is leftism.

What do I mean?

An article I have posted before:


Arrogant and manipulative bullies have more sex, Brock U. study says

Team wondered: Would someone lacking empathy have more sexual partners? Someone with a short fuse?

Teens who are willing to exploit others for their own gain are more likely to be bullies and to have more sexual partners than those who score higher on a measure of honesty and humility. That's what a new study from a team at Brock University suggests.

A team including Brock associate professor of child and youth studies Anthony Volk had previously found that bullies had more sex.

They wanted to know: Was it all bullies, or just ones with particular personality traits?

In the follow-up, which was published last month in Evolutionary Psychology Science, they studied a comparison of different negative traits.

Would someone lacking empathy have more sexual partners? Someone with a short fuse?

As it turned out, the variable that could be correlated to having more sex was scoring low on a measure of humility and honesty. Someone who is arrogant and manipulative, and willing to be so, is more likely to have more sex, Volk's team found.

"That's really the only one that came up as being predictive of people taking this behaviour and using it to exploit others," he said. "It's also the trait that best predicts bullying overall."

They set up two groups: 144 older adolescents with a mean age of 18.3, and 396 younger adolescents with a mean age of 14.6.

They gave each a questionnaire about their sexual activity as well as likelihood of bullying.

Personality a bigger factor than gender

They found that regardless of gender, teens with low humility-honesty readings were more likely to bully and to use that bullying as a strategy to have more sex.

"Both adolescent boys and girls will use an advantage in power to impress and get opportunities to have sex with their desired partners," he said. "The best answer is that it seems to be driven by personality, not by gender."


The study has Volk and his team, including Daniel Provenzano of the University of Windsor, thinking about what can be done to curb teen bullying. He said it boils down to this:

How do you give someone with that personality trait an alternative way to achieve what they're achieving through bullying?

"So if you're trying to impress the opposite sex, if you're trying to impress your peers, you can do that by hurting weaker people to show off your power," he said. "Or in this system that we're trying to pilot … if you give them roles in the classroom that give them that dominance and visibility."

Volk said the team will be rolling out a test intervention in some Niagara-area schools in the coming year as part of an evaluation of kinds of interventions.

For younger students, that might look like being the door greeter at school, so everyone sees and acknowledges them on the way in.

"That's a way of meeting that arrogance, that self-centredness that underlies honesty-humility," he said.

"You still punish the bullying, but you have to recognize the same time that if you just say, 'Stop bullying – we're going to punish you,' and you can't catch them in the first place … you're saying, stop having the benefits of having sex and being popular and getting all the resources you want because we said so," he said.


"It doesn't work. So you have to give them an alternative that allows them to still get those same benefits without hurting other people."

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So men who are basically the "outcasts" of society and leftism cause they exude "Toxic masculinity" get the women while men who society demand to be empathetic, are non-toxic masculine, work hard and bow before female demands get nothing or crumbs.

We have seen women who are feminist call men who are led by women cucked boyfriends, losers and even their own boyfriends, simps.

We have anecdotes of women who when attacked by their male significant other when rescued by an outsider who attacks their bf, said women join their bf in attacking said outsider.

We have articles that talk about how the number of men not having sex at all is increasing while the number of women having sex increases. How does one explain this? Well the women are either hooking up with each other or Chad/Tyrone and neither of these need be exclusive.

I have posted before an article about how women who even though have tons of money still desire men richer then them. Some other sites who posted said article had their own additions where there were interviews where professional women said that she is still looking for a man that matches her standard and if she cannot find it, she will settle for hooking up with a fellow female.

So women fuck each other and Chad/Tyrone and rest of maledome get nothing or once again crumbs.

And now we have society and media encouraging open relationships and cheating cause women find monogamy harder or women have better sex in such relationships. So what this really means is that the rest of maledome has the choice of nothing or getting a woman only to support her while she fucks Chad/Tyrone.
This is hardly surprising
eh? That’s not surprising. Women are attracted to strength. And at a primal level, that includes violence. In ancient times the best men were the ones that cracked skulls. And left bodies in their wake. Not only were they protectors of their women, their martial and physical prowess meant that they had good genes, women are attracted to that.

The problem is while those traits may have been beneficial in the Bronze Age or Stone Age-humans don’t live in that world anymore. At least not on the surface.

Our ingrained biology, and deep primal behavior hasn’t changed to fit our current post industrial ultra comfortable civilization.

It’s an issue of a disconnect-biology and civilization that don’t fit. Because the former isn’t bound to the latter, while the former doesn’t change as fast as the latter.
 
This is hardly surprising

eh? That’s not surprising. Women are attracted to strength. And at a primal level, that includes violence. In ancient times the best men were the ones that cracked skulls. And left bodies in their wake. Not only were they protectors of their women, their martial and physical prowess meant that they had good genes, women are attracted to that.

The problem is while those traits may have been beneficial in the Bronze Age or Stone Age-humans don’t live in that world anymore. At least not on the surface.

Our ingrained biology, and deep primal behavior hasn’t changed to fit our current post industrial ultra comfortable civilization.

It’s an issue of a disconnect-biology and civilization that don’t fit. Because the former isn’t bound to the latter, while the former doesn’t change as fast as the latter.


yeah I mean according to the study phisical man is little more than clever apes, in related news water is wet. At one time in man's history early as it was rape was THE standard form of repoduction. Just because it's natural doesin't mean it's good. Magic mushrooms can attest to that.
 

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