The Political Problem of Pornography

[Deleted member 88]

In fairness smutty literature and the like has always existed. And will to the end of time.

Porn is not healthy though. If anything it makes men feel more inadequate.

And women of course...how can you have a happy marriage when you just don’t measure up to a porn star?

These statements are somewhat ambiguous, and could have some profoundly negative meanings. I'd like you to clarify just what you mean here

I mean that as a society we have to decide which to we place more value on, and does the consequence of our ignoring one have greater repercussions than the other.

Value female dignity-cool. Male urges left unsatisfied and thus gravitating towards deviant ends. Value male urges-degrade women as receptacles for male release.

What is worth more? What costs more?

 

[Abhorsen]

American Conservatism is inextricably intertwined with Libertarianism. American Conservatives are political libertarians, but socially less so.

This is very true.

And no, a Christian Libertarian would not vote for gay marriage. They'd vote for the government to have no involvement with marriage in the first place; voting for gay marriage would be to approve of a sinful practice.

It's similar to how the cake shop would sell homosexuals cakes, but they wouldn't sell them a wedding cake. That was a very fine example of Christian-based American Conservative principles in action.

This is a fair point. I didn't spend a lot of time thinking about a good example here.

 

[Deleted member 88]

The alliance between conservatives and libertarians was one of the greatest mistakes the conservative movement ever made.

 

[Senor Hortler]

The alliance between conservatives and libertarians was one of the greatest mistakes the conservative movement ever made.

In fairness America was seemingly founded on the principles of freedom (economic and beyond). I fundamentally disagree with those ideas, but - and I hate to sound like an American - America is unique in that regard.

 

[Deleted member 88]

I think that’s sort of where we run into problems.

America is a liberal nation. Not a conservative one.

This doesn’t mean the DoI flows inexorably to NAMBLA but it’s does mean that the latter can claim the american spirit, whereas anti porn crusaders run up against the inherent liberalism of American culture.

 

[LordsFire]

I think that’s sort of where we run into problems.

America is a liberal nation. Not a conservative one.

This doesn’t mean the DoI flows inexorably to NAMBLA but it’s does mean that the latter can claim the american spirit, whereas anti porn crusaders run up against the inherent liberalism of American culture.

America is a nation with specific founding values. They would have been considered liberal at the time, but now are classed as 'conservative,' and in America 'conservatism' is about 'conserving the founding values of the nation.'

It is not a mindless ideology of 'always creep more and more left.' There is a specific ideological position to stand upon. That so few people understand that is a testament to many failures within the nation, not least of them the education system.

 

[King Krávoka]

Not his fucking partner! If you have a primal urge to murder your girlfriend then you're a sick fucker.

Nature is a sicko pit that e621 cannot compare against, and that's where we're from.

The alliance between conservatives and libertarians was one of the greatest mistakes the conservative movement ever made.

Conflict between them is a man with a hemispherectomy punching himself in the face.

 

[Senor Hortler]

Nature is a sicko pit that e621 cannot compare against, and that's where we're from.

"hURT DUR NATUR SAVAGE"
Yeah no shit, but we're not actually supposed to kill our sexual partner, at all. Humans engage in pair bonding and we're social animals. We're not preying mantises. Wanting to be violent towards your sexual partner is a deviancy; not an advantage. It's something that nature weeds out of social animals like us by having us despise wife beaters and see them as twisted fuckers.

 

[Certified_Heterosexual]

Just think about how odd the situation is. We live in a world with exotic designer drugs on tap and sexually liberated modern women around every corner... and everyone's holed up in their bedroom jerking it to Internet porn.

Libertarianism did the impossible: it made being a degenerate libertine uncool.

As the uneasiness and reluctance to face it cut him off more and more from all real happiness, and as habit renders the pleasures the vanity and excitement and flippancy at once less pleasant and harder to forgo...you will find that anything or nothing is sufficient to attract his wandering attention. You no longer need a good book, which he really likes, to keep him from his prayers or his work or his sleep; a column of advertisements in yesterday's paper will do. You can make him waste his time not only in conversation he enjoys with people whom he likes, but also in conversations with those he cares nothing about, on subjects that bore him. You can make him do nothing at all for long periods. You can keep him up late at night, not roistering, but staring at a dead fire in a cold room. All the healthy and outgoing activities which we want him to avoid can be inhibited and nothing given in return, so that at last he may say..."I now see that I spent most my life doing in doing neither what I ought nor what I liked."

 

[Harlock]

We have to decide what we value more.

Women’s dignity or a man’s primal urges.

The one we choose to ignore-which has a worse effect on the health of society as a whole?

This is why Muslim sex gangs happen. It is the exact same argument and disregard for the victims, because they are victims.
Ignoring the plight of people you could help is bad, rationalising that suffering to pretend it serves a useful purpose is something else.
Be a better person.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Word of advice, this place isn't really as homogenous in views

I'm Pro-Choice, Pro-Porn, Pro-Hentai, Pro-Atheism, Pro-LGBT(Not the Political Lesbian or TransTrender types that drag everyone else through the mud), Pro-Uncensored Hyperviolence, Pro-QQ Levels of Hentai

Unfortunately, we got a bunch of Social Conservatives/Religious Right types all around clashing with the more secular sorts

Word of advice, give up trying to argue with them about how porn isn't evil or how consuming hentai doesn't lead to things like human trafficking and such

Also, you can't unfortunately post the more extreme Asanagi pics

 

[Janus]

Word of advice, this place isn't really as homogenous in views

I'm Pro-Choice, Pro-Porn, Pro-Hentai, Pro-Atheism, Pro-Uncensored Hyperviolence, Pro-QQ Levels of Hentai

Unfortunately, we got a bunch of Social Conservatives/Religious Right types all around clashing with the more secular sorts

Word of advice, give up trying to argue with them about how porn isn't evil or how consuming hentai doesn't lead to things like human trafficking and such

Also, you can't unfortunately post the more extreme Asanagi pics

Well, consuming hentai is evil, because it leads to a stomach ache.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Well, consuming hentai is evil, because it leads to stomach aches.

That's a better argument than what they come up with

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

@CarlManvers2019 I don't think it is evil, I think that consuming porn is bad for the individual since it feeds their vices and thus acts against their virtues. Strengthens the appetitive parts of the human "soul" while weakening the rational. And given my interest in the classics, I would say it leads to the individual being less happy. Since they are less internally ordered, they aren't oriented towards human excellence and they become slaves to their passions. But it is the individual's right to do things harmful to themselves (well in a purely individualistic society) and the right of others to warn them away.

I am partially botching my argument, so I'll need to crack open Plato's Republic as well to better remember it.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

@CarlManvers2019 I don't think it is evil, I think that consuming porn is bad for the individual since it feeds their vices and thus acts against their virtues. Strengthens the appetitive parts of the human "soul" while weakening the rational. And given my interest in the classics, I would say it leads to the individual being less happy. Since they are less internally ordered, they aren't oriented towards human excellence and they become slaves to their passions. But it is the individual's right to do things harmful to themselves (well in a purely individualistic society) and the right of others to warn them away.

I am partially botching my argument, so I'll need to crack open Plato's Republic as well to better remember it.

While I disagree, you at the very least argue better and sound less of an ass compared to our local Social Conservative/Religious Right types who fantasize a romanticized past

As if there were no prostitution, drugs, alcohol, gambling, sacking and other “vices” long before

Even people did shit like sex slaves long before and after the 21st century

At the very least warn against vices in-general as well, vices we have had for millenia

Perhaps we should spend time making and building instead of simply consuming, get good at making art and learning various skills, rather than gorging ourselves on unhealthy foods and more

In the end it should be our choice, rather than a bunch of Moral Busybodies that the Left liked using against us and were their more unsuccessful predecessors telling us what to do, like some out-of-touch parent like my mom who I humiliated for her idiocy once

 

[King Krávoka]

Word of advice, give up trying to argue with them about how porn isn't evil or how consuming hentai doesn't lead to things like human trafficking and such

It's lead to people who wantonly broadcast their filth in the crystal clear knowledge that most people don't want to hear about their sexual deviancies. "Being annoying" is a good enough reason to crack down on pornography when many laws have been passed before to fumigate obnoxious subcultures.

It is a breath of fresh air to tell a joke and not get infracted for it.

We are not on the same website.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

It's lead to people who wantonly broadcast their filth in the crystal clear knowledge that most people don't want to hear about their sexual deviancies. "Being annoying" is a good enough reason to crack down on pornography when many laws have been passed before to fumigate obnoxious subcultures.

You still provide better arguments than them

Anyway, let’s stop this now before we get some lectures by a bunch of AuthRight types going on about traditionality and such

 

[CarlManvers2019]

That said @Janus you’ll find a bunch of fellow pervs here
Especially when it gets kinda weird

And helps remind us why Japan’s got better stuff

I’m honestly not sure if their hatred for Uzaki-chan is real or not

 

[Terthna]

@CarlManvers2019 I don't think it is evil, I think that consuming porn is bad for the individual since it feeds their vices and thus acts against their virtues. Strengthens the appetitive parts of the human "soul" while weakening the rational. And given my interest in the classics, I would say it leads to the individual being less happy. Since they are less internally ordered, they aren't oriented towards human excellence and they become slaves to their passions. But it is the individual's right to do things harmful to themselves (well in a purely individualistic society) and the right of others to warn them away.

I am partially botching my argument, so I'll need to crack open Plato's Republic as well to better remember it.

I don't know; in my experience, indulging in one's vices tends to strengthen one's virtues, so long as one learns to compartmentalize properly. Otherwise, you get people who resemble structurally-compromised pressure cookers more than anything else, and it's never pretty when they explode. I mean, there are countless people out there who basically let their reproductive instincts make their decisions for them, because they don't know they can just use masturbation to shut them up so that they can start using their brains instead.

For instance, I love the ST, and like TRoS. Makes me a heretic around here.

Don't forget RWBY, you uncultured philistine.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I don't know; in my experience, indulging in one's vices tends to strengthen one's virtues, so long as one learns to compartmentalize properly. Otherwise, you get people who resemble structurally-compromised pressure cookers more than anything else, and it's never pretty when they explode. I mean, there are countless people out there who basically let their reproductive instincts make their decisions for them, because they don't know they can just use masturbation to shut them up so that they can start using their brains instead.

Honest VICE, moderates by reason more than a sense of guilt, is probably less volatile compared to False Altruism or even the Ayn Rand sort of "Altruism" that means getting addicted to being part of some cult that won't question its fellow members and leaders