Transgender Rights

[Abhorsen]

The argument that it's a valid orientation or a dysphoric disorder and not a paraphilia/ evidence of predatory disorders continues to evaporate.

They come off like roving bands of deviants who get off on making people confirm to them no matter how uncomfortable it makes them.

Or, my hypothesis, roving bands of deviants who get off on making people confirm them noted an easy way to do so, and pretend to be trans enough to be indistinguishable from people with the dysphoric disorder.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Or, my hypothesis, roving bands of deviants who get off on making people confirm them noted an easy way to do so, and pretend to be trans enough to be indistinguishable from people with the dysphoric disorder.

I'm not sure how gouging out flesh and risking the early grave due to hormone therapy abuse these people risk counts as an easy way.

But sure...you can say it's 70-40 that way.

Still doesn't change the solution though.

 

[bintananth]

Or, my hypothesis, roving bands of deviants who get off on making people confirm them noted an easy way to do so, and pretend to be trans enough to be indistinguishable from people with the dysphoric disorder.

I probably pass for female better than most MtF trans people do and all I need is a knee-length wig, a clean shave, and one of my twin sister's outfits. I don't even need make-up because my sisters are unruly mothers who don't shave or give a shit about what you think.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

This has to be stopped...

 

[PsihoKekec]

So how many of these armed men were actual full time feds?

 

[Abhorsen]

I'm not sure how gouging out flesh and risking the early grave due to hormone therapy abuse these people risk counts as an easy way.

But sure...you can say it's 70-40 that way.

Still doesn't change the solution though.

Most of them don't do the surgeries though. The abusive fake ones encourage kids to get the surgeries, but also don't get it themselves. It's why they are trying to expand nonbinary (read: no-effort) transitions. And for Hormone Therapy? People take drugs that shorten their lifespan all the time.

 

[bintananth]

Most of them don't do the surgeries though. The abusive fake ones encourage kids to get the surgeries, but also don't get it themselves. It's why they are trying to expand nonbinary (read: no-effort) transitions. And for Hormone Therapy? People take drugs that shorten their lifespan all the time.

One of my nieces says "I'm a boy!" and won't do typical little girl stuff (she likes to get dirty and play in the mud). She thinks her name - Lilly - is a perfectly good boy's name. Her dad's name is Chloé, so you aren't convincing her that Lilly isn't a boy's name.

Her parents are in a "wait and see" mode. If it sticks she's trans. If she grows out of it? It was just a tomboyish phase.

EDIT: her big sis Richardie prefers to be called "Dick" and will kick you in the shins if you don't call her Dick because she's "Dick, and don't you forget it."

 

[Agent23]

Show me the incentive and I will show you the results.
Charlie Munger.

 

[ReeeFallin]

sick

 

[Bear Ribs]

This is interesting given how much the LGBTQ community, even here on these boards, have tried to downplay and pooh-pooh Alfred Kinsey's enormous influence. More masks dropping.

 

[Captain X]

"You can't go back!": This detransitioner's testimony is the definition of heartbreaking

This testimony from someone who was deceived into believing they were born in the wrong body is absolutely heartbreaking.

notthebee.com

 

[Bear Ribs]

NotTheBee has done their own report on the statue honoring Kinsey.

Depravity beyond measure: Indiana University erects statue to honor wicked pedophile

Yesterday the Daily Wire's Matt Walsh used his formidable platform to draw attention to this bit of news coming out of Indiana University in Bloomington:

notthebee.com

Including some of his research...

 

[Bacle]

This is interesting given how much the LGBTQ community, even here on these boards, have tried to downplay and pooh-pooh Alfred Kinsey's enormous influence. More masks dropping.

NotTheBee has done their own report on the statue honoring Kinsey.

Depravity beyond measure: Indiana University erects statue to honor wicked pedophile

Yesterday the Daily Wire's Matt Walsh used his formidable platform to draw attention to this bit of news coming out of Indiana University in Bloomington:

notthebee.com

Including some of his research...

Who?

I mean he's obviously a piece of shit, but I had never heard his name before now.

 

[WolfBear]

What is weird? Gender reassignment? Well, it's comparatively new from a historical viewpoint, so I guess it can be said to be "weird". They are also a small minority so an average person doesn't meet a lot, so they might be unused to a person that appears as one gender and self-identifies as another.

In the end it's their right to do with their bodies as they wish (even if, from a pure cold medical perspective, it amounts to nothing more than mutilation), and I see no reason to lose respect for them over this.

Interestingly enough, one could argue that there was a type of third gender in the past: Specifically eunuchs. Though not all of them necessarily identified as transgender.

Some people nowadays want to voluntary become eunuchs. Seriously. It's called male-to-eunuch gender dysphoria.

 

[WolfBear]

Children should not ever be reassigned, as their personality and identity is not yet formed, they could flip to cis in a few years and ironically end up with gender dysphoria because of reassignment.

As for adults, they are adults, I do not believe we should be "protecting them from themselves" (there's nothing to protect against, in any case).

If gender reassignment works to solve the gender dysphoria issue, and a consenting adult decides to go through with it, then as far as I'm concerned there's not much left to talk about.

Regarding the way society should behave toward and around them, that's a more complex issue. We simply can't and shouldn't treat trans people exactly like their new gender, at the very least in sports for certain (since they are still genetically their old gender their aptitude and ability will reflect that, male-to-female trans will gain a very unfair physical advantage in women's sports).

Maybe the solution is to just treat them as nonbinary and shove them into their own category of gender, but it's very possible that they'll be unwilling to go along with that of course. It should be worked out with the cooperation of the LGBT community, but on issues like sports society shouldn't budge period.

Very reasonable analysis; thank you. Where biological differences are relevant, they should be reflected in law and policy, but where they aren't, then transgender people should indeed be treated as the gender that they self-identify as.

Would be interesting how Jewish law would apply in a case where a Jewish transgender woman would carry a pregnancy to term once that will become possible. Would the kids automatically become Jewish, or would it depend on who produced the egg? What if the egg was produced from her own (male) genes through in-vitro gametogenesis, as is likely to eventually become possible? Then would her kids be Jewish?

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Very reasonable analysis; thank you. Where biological differences are relevant, they should be reflected in law and policy, but where they aren't, then transgender people should indeed be treated as the gender that they self-identify as.

Would be interesting how Jewish law would apply in a case where a Jewish transgender woman would carry a pregnancy to term once that will become possible. Would the kids automatically become Jewish, or would it depend on who produced the egg? What if the egg was produced from her own (male) genes through in-vitro gametogenesis, as is likely to eventually become possible? Then would her kids be Jewish?

"You will live to see man-made horrors."

 

[GoldRanger]

Would be interesting how Jewish law would apply in a case where a Jewish transgender woman would carry a pregnancy to term once that will become possible. Would the kids automatically become Jewish, or would it depend on who produced the egg? What if the egg was produced from her own (male) genes through in-vitro gametogenesis, as is likely to eventually become possible? Then would her kids be Jewish?

I recall reading an article many years ago that said Haredi Jews can shake hands with trans women because for religious purposes they remain men (any physical contact between opposite genders outside of marriage or family is forbidden for ultra-orthodox Jews, including casual contact).

So as far as I'm aware Judaism will not recognize the gender reassignment from a religious perspective. Of course this may be different with reform Judaism.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Who?

I mean he's obviously a piece of shit, but I had never heard his name before now.

He's called the Father of the Sexual Revolution for a good reason. You can pretty much trace a direct line between the LGBTQ+ movement and Kinsey's ideas, to the extent that sexuality, specifically the "gay to straight" axis, is measured on the Kinsey Scale.

Father of the Sexual Revolution (Published 1997)

Richard Rhodes reviews book Alfred C Kinsey: A Public/Private Life by James H Jones; photo (L)

www.nytimes.com

Alfred Kinsey: 'Father of sexual revolution' who said rape benefits children

Alfred Kinsey, hailed by a large section of Americans as the "father of sexual revolution", had died on 25 August 1956. | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

Alfred Kinsey, father of the great sexual revolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

 

[Scottty]

I recall reading an article many years ago that said Haredi Jews can shake hands with trans women because for religious purposes they remain men (any physical contact between opposite genders outside of marriage or family is forbidden for ultra-orthodox Jews, including casual contact).

So as far as I'm aware Judaism will not recognize the gender reassignment from a religious perspective. Of course this may be different with reform Judaism.

Next thing you might some FtM transgender activist going around demanding such men shake hands with her, so that she can get them in trouble for "transphobia" if they refuse.

(Never mind that no one has any innate right to have other people agree to shake hands - we've already seen that these people are demanding all sorts of rights that normal people do not have, and would never think of claiming)

 

[Bacle]

He's called the Father of the Sexual Revolution for a good reason. You can pretty much trace a direct line between the LGBTQ+ movement and Kinsey's ideas, to the extent that sexuality, specifically the "gay to straight" axis, is measured on the Kinsey Scale.

Father of the Sexual Revolution (Published 1997)

Richard Rhodes reviews book Alfred C Kinsey: A Public/Private Life by James H Jones; photo (L)

www.nytimes.com

Alfred Kinsey: 'Father of sexual revolution' who said rape benefits children

Alfred Kinsey, hailed by a large section of Americans as the "father of sexual revolution", had died on 25 August 1956. | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

Alfred Kinsey, father of the great sexual revolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

Again, as I said, I'd never heard this dude's name before, and those studies do show he was a piece of shit groomer.

Please stop acting like any non-hetero's are expected to know every dirty secret of every supposed 'thought leader' back in the day.

Also the idea of a 'gay to straight spectrum', rather than a binary/trinary straight/gay/bi is another thing I had not heard before.