Breaking News Trump Has Been Released.... And @RealDonaldTrump Has Been Unleashed

Promoting socialism to own the libs.

Actually, correct myself, this isn't even socialism. At least socialism ostensibly tries to give money from the rich to the poor, as opposed to giving it to the chattering classes.

Yeah on the one hand it's hilarious when you ask diehard Trump supporters like my dad why this is a good idea if Schumer, Pelosi, Bernie, and AOC all support it but most Republicans don't (reaction is a "shut up, I'm not talking to you!").

On the other it's just kind of sad. I mean yeah Trump is letting his inner Democrat out and I'm not surprised that he's doing nothing but having a prolonged tantrum because people are tired of his shit. But this is where I think back to the first debate and "Will you shut up, man?!" Because I think that's the general mood of the country.

I mean sure he's done stuff that I've supported (turning the Title IX stuff into something coherent, the judicial appointments, peace agreements between Israel and other ME nations, standing up to Iran and whacking Soleimani, actually doing something about immigration, etc), but that doesn't mean I support everything he does.

But he's really fucking himself over for 2024, and if the Democrats take the Senate the blame is going to be entirely on him for undermining GOP voters' faith in elections. Especially when you have a radical like Warnock on the ballot; it shouldn't be anywhere near this close at least in that race.

I'm not looking forward to seeing what brilliant ideas Biden and Co come up with, but I am looking forward to seeing what happens when it inevitably blows up in their face and they can't blame someone else for their own fuckups...
 
I have a feeling that the 6th is gonna wild for better or for worse.




Honestly, how many people actually are likely to appear on January 6?

I don't think the drive is there for people to come en masse

Non-Lefties don't have the same drive as ANTIFA & BLM who could cross state or city boundaries and start their shit for weeks to months on end, with support from local governments
 
Yeah on the one hand it's hilarious when you ask diehard Trump supporters like my dad why this is a good idea if Schumer, Pelosi, Bernie, and AOC all support it but most Republicans don't (reaction is a "shut up, I'm not talking to you!").

On the other it's just kind of sad. I mean yeah Trump is letting his inner Democrat out and I'm not surprised that he's doing nothing but having a prolonged tantrum because people are tired of his shit. But this is where I think back to the first debate and "Will you shut up, man?!" Because I think that's the general mood of the country.

I mean sure he's done stuff that I've supported (turning the Title IX stuff into something coherent, the judicial appointments, peace agreements between Israel and other ME nations, standing up to Iran and whacking Soleimani, actually doing something about immigration, etc), but that doesn't mean I support everything he does.

But he's really fucking himself over for 2024, and if the Democrats take the Senate the blame is going to be entirely on him for undermining GOP voters' faith in elections. Especially when you have a radical like Warnock on the ballot; it shouldn't be anywhere near this close at least in that race.

I'm not looking forward to seeing what brilliant ideas Biden and Co come up with, but I am looking forward to seeing what happens when it inevitably blows up in their face and they can't blame someone else for their own fuckups...

Seconded.

I only voted for Trump as I disliked Biden just slightly more. However a distressing pattern I’ve noticed is the one moment somebody disagrees with Trump or doesn’t bend his way or kiss his ass, he/she gets labeled a villain, even if they had previously agreed to work with him. Mattis, Barr, etc....all these guys worked with Trump and the moment they disagreed with the God Emperor, they were shunned and castigated even though they were previously lauded by conservatives...and they get accused of being part of the “Deep State” and other conspiracy nonsense. It’s not rational behavior, and it’s eerily similar to the messianic worship of Obama when he was in office. But considering the narcissistic personalities of both men, it’s not a surprise.

Start planning for the future. Plan to fight and win in 2022 and 2024. You can’t win every damn battle, learn to pick up the pieces and move on.
 
Seconded.

I only voted for Trump as I disliked Biden just slightly more. However a distressing pattern I’ve noticed is the one moment somebody disagrees with Trump or doesn’t bend his way or kiss his ass, he/she gets labeled a villain, even if they had previously agreed to work with him. Mattis, Barr, etc....all these guys worked with Trump and the moment they disagreed with the God Emperor, they were shunned and castigated even though they were previously lauded by conservatives...and they get accused of being part of the “Deep State” and other conspiracy nonsense. It’s not rational behavior, and it’s eerily similar to the messianic worship of Obama when he was in office. But considering the narcissistic personalities of both men, it’s not a surprise.

Start planning for the future. Plan to fight and win in 2022 and 2024. You can’t win every damn battle, learn to pick up the pieces and move on.
You're assuming that we're all Republicans; the only reason I supported those guys was because of Trump, and what he represented. An outsider finally puncturing the political establishment bubble. Once he's gone, we're back to Monoparty rule; and I'm back to thumbing my nose at Republicans and Democrats alike.

"Plan to fight and win in 2022 and 2024." How exactly are we going to win, when we don't have any pieces on the board? The Republicans are controlled opposition at best, and wolves in sheep's clothing at worst; they are not on anyone's side but their own, and they never have been. For that matter, what's the point in trying to win an election when we know our enemies will cheat to win, and get away with it?

Also, this whole brushing people who point out how utterly corrupt the system and the people who run it are off as nothing more than Trump worshipers, is just intellectually dishonest. This is not about Trump; it's about a fraudulent election, on top of four years of both parties undermining our legitimately elected president. As for people suddenly turning against Mattis, Barr, and others; you do understand the concept of betrayal, don't you? It kind of has the effect of quickly changing one's opinion on someone drastically.
 
Seconded.

I only voted for Trump as I disliked Biden just slightly more. However a distressing pattern I’ve noticed is the one moment somebody disagrees with Trump or doesn’t bend his way or kiss his ass, he/she gets labeled a villain, even if they had previously agreed to work with him. Mattis, Barr, etc....all these guys worked with Trump and the moment they disagreed with the God Emperor, they were shunned and castigated even though they were previously lauded by conservatives...and they get accused of being part of the “Deep State” and other conspiracy nonsense. It’s not rational behavior, and it’s eerily similar to the messianic worship of Obama when he was in office. But considering the narcissistic personalities of both men, it’s not a surprise.

Start planning for the future. Plan to fight and win in 2022 and 2024. You can’t win every damn battle, learn to pick up the pieces and move on.

The sad thing is a lot of these people are older and allegedly more mature, and therefore should know better.

And yeah, I think it's due to the fact that Trump is incapable of seeing how he could be wrong and is so thin-skinned he can't abide it and has to try and humiliate those he sees as "insufficiently loyal" etc. This despite the fact that they're trying to keep his ass from getting in further trouble.

You're assuming that we're all Republicans; the only reason I supported those guys was because of Trump, and what he represented. An outsider finally puncturing the political establishment bubble. Once he's gone, we're back to Monoparty rule; and I'm back to thumbing my nose at Republicans and Democrats alike.

See, if you can't actually tell the two apart, that tells me you really haven't gotten involved in politics and haven't made any more than a cursory study of the subject. Because you have hundreds of people trying to get their way and that's inevitably going to mean you don't get everything you want.

"Plan to fight and win in 2022 and 2024." How exactly are we going to win, when we don't have any pieces on the board? The Republicans are controlled opposition at best, and wolves in sheep's clothing at worst; they are not on anyone's side but their own, and they never have been. For that matter, what's the point in trying to win an election when we know our enemies will cheat to win, and get away with it?

Where are you getting this "controlled opposition" ofrom? You do know that every opposition everywhere is limited in what it can do, because they're the opposition, right? That doesn't mean "roll over" which the GOP actually doesn't do; it means that they're playing with a weaker hand so there is only so much they can change.

Furthermore, as we've seen over the last ten years or so, the GOP is going from being a minority party to a majority. What distorts it is the electoral college (seriously we really *should* add 120 representatives to the House so it isn't so fucked up -we are basing the limit based on a census from a century ago. But I digress...the larger point is that the Republicans are gaining the upper hand. It doesn't seem like it because social media and the mainstream news outlets are trying to downplay or even suppress it, but fractures are showing on the Left just as much. The only reason they haven't shattered is because Biden is remembered largely as an amiable dunce by most Americans, as opposed to a loudmouth reality show star who keeps driving talent away because they don't want to deal with his shit. Ergo, the pool of candidates he can select is limited.




Also, this whole brushing people who point out how utterly corrupt the system and the people who run it are off as nothing more than Trump worshipers, is just intellectually dishonest. This is not about Trump; it's about a fraudulent election, on top of four years of both parties undermining our legitimately elected president. As for people suddenly turning against Mattis, Barr, and others; you do understand the concept of betrayal, don't you? It kind of has the effect of quickly changing one's opinion on someone drastically.

The thing is, you get brushed with it because this is an extremely cynical tone that 99.9% of diehard Trumpists take, but that most Americans disagree with. You say "fraudulent election," yet there has been *no actual proof* provided of wide-scale fraud other than by some random people from YouTube. When pressed to do so in court, the campaign has come up with total bullshit, and even in the case in Wisconsin where the opportunity was given to present their case, the campaign stipulated (that is, conceded *without disputing the point* that there was no widespread fraud and that *they agreed on the facts argued by the other side*).

And you claim that Mattis, Barr, and everyone else "undermined" the president...



Policy differences do not count as "undermining" a president. Cabinet advisors are supposed to provide the best possible advice, and that includes things that a president (any president) doesn't necessarily like to hear or agree with. Mattis had some flaws of not doing enough at playing the political game with Congress and the civilian side, but that's not "undermining". Nor is it undermining when Barr pushes to keep the investigation into the origins of the collusion charges going. Or maybe you refer to the "not announcing the investigation into Hunter" bit, despite that being a rule for two reasons: 1) The DOJ is not supposed to play politics and Barr was trying to prevent the same type of damage that Comey had inflicted four years earlier and 2) Cops don't like it when they're conducting an investigation and it gets blown early. Or maybe it's Barr's refusal to entertain Trump's suggestions of a "do-over" or declaring martial law? If you don't see the problem inherent in suggesting *those* "remedies" then I don't know what to tell you.

And I will add that Trump said in an interview in 2015 that is "negotiating strategy" is to "whine and whine until I get my way." That is not how functional adults do things; that's how toddlers behave. Trump is used to using "paper terrorism" (that is, drowning his opponents in piles of legal paperwork until they say "fuck it, this isn't worth it"). Against the average person, he can do that (and has). Against a peer opponent? Turns out that doesn't work.

If you want to go back to saying "fuck it I don't care they all suck" rather than doing the actual hard job of going out, getting involved at a local level and working with your party of choice to change things, that's your prerogative. It's much easier to sit on your ass behind an internet forum and complain about how you hate stuff, rather than, like me, actually going out and trying to do the hard work that comes along with it. And the frustration but also the happiness of when you finally get somewhere or help someone get something through that you support.
 
Honestly, how many people actually are likely to appear on January 6?

I don't think the drive is there for people to come en masse

Non-Lefties don't have the same drive as ANTIFA & BLM who could cross state or city boundaries and start their shit for weeks to months on end, with support from local governments
Million MAGA March says otherwise.
Trump can get people to show up.
You're assuming that we're all Republicans; the only reason I supported those guys was because of Trump, and what he represented. An outsider finally puncturing the political establishment bubble. Once he's gone, we're back to Monoparty rule; and I'm back to thumbing my nose at Republicans and Democrats alike.

"Plan to fight and win in 2022 and 2024." How exactly are we going to win, when we don't have any pieces on the board? The Republicans are controlled opposition at best, and wolves in sheep's clothing at worst; they are not on anyone's side but their own, and they never have been. For that matter, what's the point in trying to win an election when we know our enemies will cheat to win, and get away with it?

Also, this whole brushing people who point out how utterly corrupt the system and the people who run it are off as nothing more than Trump worshipers, is just intellectually dishonest. This is not about Trump; it's about a fraudulent election, on top of four years of both parties undermining our legitimately elected president. As for people suddenly turning against Mattis, Barr, and others; you do understand the concept of betrayal, don't you? It kind of has the effect of quickly changing one's opinion on someone drastically.
Mattis is an overrated General who kept us in a war we never should have been in.
That is why I am glad he is out, and it makes me get looked at wierdly by my peers
 
When was that?

Also, I think some hotels are already closing down due to the possibility of it occurring both due to “riots” and possibly to avoid giving them a place to stay
You act like hotels will be the reason people don't go....
November after election
 
You act like hotels will be the reason people don't go....
November after election

Fair, I think the biggest barrier would be whether or not the will is there

The second is much public and private industries doing what they can to prevent them from being around

That said, I think people really want to get out of their house
 
Million MAGA March says otherwise.
Trump can get people to show up.
The anticipation is killing me; it feels like something dreadful is going to happen on January 6th, beyond Biden getting inaugurated, and I don't think anyone is prepared for it. Whatever happens, I'm expecting a lot of people are going to end up getting hurt, or even killed in the worst case.

Mattis is an overrated General who kept us in a war we never should have been in.
That is why I am glad he is out, and it makes me get looked at wierdly by my peers
But Mattis is a Republican; you have to support him (and every other Republican), because tribalism. After all; you can't support Trump without being a member of the Republican tribe.
 
Fair, I think the biggest barrier would be whether or not the will is there

The second is much public and private industries doing what they can to prevent them from being around

That said, I think people really want to get out of their house
It is going to be big
The anticipation is killing me; it feels like something dreadful is going to happen on January 6th, beyond Biden getting inaugurated, and I don't think anyone is prepared for it. Whatever happens, I'm expecting a lot of people are going to end up getting hurt, or even killed in the worst case.


But Mattis is a Republican; you have to support him (and every other Republican), because tribalism. After all; you can't support Trump without being a member of the Republican tribe.
It isgoing to be interesting.
Mattis is an overrated prick and I do not know why people like him
 
Seconded.

I only voted for Trump as I disliked Biden just slightly more. However a distressing pattern I’ve noticed is the one moment somebody disagrees with Trump or doesn’t bend his way or kiss his ass, he/she gets labeled a villain, even if they had previously agreed to work with him. Mattis, Barr, etc....all these guys worked with Trump and the moment they disagreed with the God Emperor, they were shunned and castigated even though they were previously lauded by conservatives...and they get accused of being part of the “Deep State” and other conspiracy nonsense. It’s not rational behavior, and it’s eerily similar to the messianic worship of Obama when he was in office. But considering the narcissistic personalities of both men, it’s not a surprise.

Start planning for the future. Plan to fight and win in 2022 and 2024. You can’t win every damn battle, learn to pick up the pieces and move on.
Yeah on the one hand it's hilarious when you ask diehard Trump supporters like my dad why this is a good idea if Schumer, Pelosi, Bernie, and AOC all support it but most Republicans don't (reaction is a "shut up, I'm not talking to you!").

On the other it's just kind of sad. I mean yeah Trump is letting his inner Democrat out and I'm not surprised that he's doing nothing but having a prolonged tantrum because people are tired of his shit. But this is where I think back to the first debate and "Will you shut up, man?!" Because I think that's the general mood of the country.

I mean sure he's done stuff that I've supported (turning the Title IX stuff into something coherent, the judicial appointments, peace agreements between Israel and other ME nations, standing up to Iran and whacking Soleimani, actually doing something about immigration, etc), but that doesn't mean I support everything he does.

But he's really fucking himself over for 2024, and if the Democrats take the Senate the blame is going to be entirely on him for undermining GOP voters' faith in elections. Especially when you have a radical like Warnock on the ballot; it shouldn't be anywhere near this close at least in that race.

I'm not looking forward to seeing what brilliant ideas Biden and Co come up with, but I am looking forward to seeing what happens when it inevitably blows up in their face and they can't blame someone else for their own fuckups...
If you can flip a landslide you can flip anything. If 2020 is a loss there's no point in planning on any election ever again.
 
Whatever happens I just want this to be settled. I think a lot of people don't understand that. There was enough questionable stuff going on, and then on top of that. Any questions are beaten down or shouted down with people being called consperacy theorist at best and traitors at worst.

I'll quote razorfist. "If there is nothing wrong, why not confirm but the way things are now, it's like someone in a poker game placing thier cards face down announcing he's won the game and saying that you're ruining the integrity of the poker game by asking to see the &#$#$ cards."

the more they do this, the less I trust them.
 
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If you can flip a landslide you can flip anything. If 2020 is a loss there's no point in planning on any election ever again.

Nobody got a landslide. Trump says otherwise, but that’s because he’s Trump. This is the same guy who was so put out that his inauguration crowds were smaller than Obama’s that he tried (and failed) to prove otherwise with satellite images.

I'll quote razorfist. "If there is nothing wrong, why not confirm but the way things are now, it's like someone in a poker game placing thier cards face down announcing he's won the game and saying that you're ruining the integrity of the poker game by asking to see the &#$#$ cards."

the more they do this, the less I trust them.

Except that the cards were shown, and when foul was cried, their claims were shot down in court because they couldn’t prove it and admitted they didn’t know what they were talking about. The “strategy” such as it was was to claim the courts wouldn’t hear the motions and therefore were in on it. That got shot to hell when a court in Wisconsin (presided over by a judge appointed by Trump himself) agreed to hear the case, and the Trump campaign said “okay, yeah, we agree with the other side’s argument that there was no fraud, or if there was, it was so minuscule as to not affect the outcome.”

Mattis is an overrated General who kept us in a war we never should have been in.
That is why I am glad he is out, and it makes me get looked at wierdly by my peers

And see, this is a fair opinion. I somewhat disagree with it, since I think he has a better understanding of issues than Trump did, but he also did or rather didn’t do things necessary to be a good SecDef. What pissed a lot of people off is, when he resigned over a policy disagreement and did so respectfully (which is how things work at that level and is considered the honorable thing to do in such a situation), Trump promptly blasted him on Twitter, which is a frankly immature way to handle such disagreements.

Because tribalism Zachwon; I thought I already explained that. We're not allowed to criticize or dislike any Republican.

If you want to engage in a debate and refute what I said, I’m right here. Since you apparently don’t and instead are reduced to making snide comments about those of us who are more than willing to call you out for spouting BS rather than constructively engage, that tells ,e you know at least deep down you don’t have a leg to stand on.

You’re free to criticize whomever you want. But understand, people also have the right to criticize your criticism. That’s the whole point of forums like this, to debate and discuss.

Anyway...his tweet bashing Fox and saying “new alternatives are coming” makes me wonder if he’s going to try and actually launch Trump TV. That would be...interesting.
 

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