This case was legitimatly such an over whelming disaster that its honestly going to help trump more then it hurts him, and putting him in prison for this is likely just going to turn him into a maytr.
Over all I think this all backfired.
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This case was legitimatly such an over whelming disaster that its honestly going to help trump more then it hurts him, and putting him in prison for this is likely just going to turn him into a maytr.
Over all I think this all backfired.
Unless idiots really murder him.Which mean civil war,and their deaths.Well,fall of USA and Europe,too - but deep state would be killed to last baby.
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That would look terrible to pretty much everyone. the dem base would respond poorly to it since every retry would make every other case look weaker. the republican base would get more and more pissed off and galvanized. the independents would find it harder and harder to defend and flip accordingly. internationally we would be a laughing stock over this. the judiciary would be embarrassed by this to a degree I doubt you understand. and mistrial would likely get this kicked past the election.
Sure, but you are in jail during the appeals, and the final court of appeals for this is a state court, not SCOTUS.
Oh, it would, but I don't know that Bragg cares.
Judge is completely unhinged, and he basically shrieks at Costello for basically sinking their entire case against Trump.
Fucking hell, this is hilarious.People in the comments are even saying "yeah, we're gonna vote for Trump now" when they were neutral at best before.
Judge is completely unhinged, and he basically shrieks at Costello for basically sinking their entire case against Trump.
People in the comments are even saying "yeah, we're gonna vote for Trump now" when they were neutral at best before.
Any clips that aren't Tim Pool? That guy is fucking annoying as shit and I can't stand to watch him.
Vyor
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Eh, occasionally. Depends on the crime and the appeals court.
It doesn't depend on the appeals court. It depends on the crime though. Specifically, as these are state crimes, the final court for these crimes will be a NY court (specifically the NY Court of Appeals, the NY equivalent of other state supreme courts). The only time there's an exception to this is when federal law or the federal constitution gets involved, but those don't seem relevant here.
The issue with that is that the judge isn't really the deciding factor here, the prosecutor is. Sure, the judge has influence, but they can't just outright dismiss charges unless the law allows them too. And after a hung jury, I'm pretty sure they aren't allowed to dismiss the charges even if they wanted to, though I could be wrong there. It's a mistrial.
The person with the power to not pursue further charges is the DA, Bragg, not the judge. And his boss? It's the people of New York, he's elected. So he can keep charging Trump for as long as they keep electing him.
Vyor
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4th and 5th amendment appeal reason
There's no warrant issue in the NY case, so no 4th amendment issue. And Trump not taking the stand gets rid of most of the fifth amendment stuff, and did get a grand jury. On top of that, double jeopardy doesn't apply to mistrials without prejudice (which is what a hung jury becomes).
The New York case is a normal case legally speaking, albeit one that shouldn't have been brought due to lack of evidence. It's just that there's a ton of politics attached to it that's screwing up everything.
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Sixth Amendment then, right to an impartial jury.
It is not legal as it is a federal misdemeanor and has is beyond statue of limitations.
Sadly, that's rarely enforced. You'd need the jury to make a mistake (saying they were going to convict regardless, etc) for that to fly. Quite bluntly, there's never going to be an impartial jury for Trump in America, he's too political, well known, and divisive.
It's not. It's a state crime being charged here, and while the alleged crime being covered up is federal, "covering up the crime" as Trump is being charged is a state crime.
Quite bluntly, this is why I'm so worried about the Trump Trial: it's just a complete railroading with few to no ways off.
Except it is a federal crime because it would be in violation of the FEC, which it wasn't and is therefore...not a crime.
It is also past statue of limitations
Plenty if ways off.
When the DOJ says they won't prosecute, the FEC was willing to testify to say he is innocent, this trial is under all intense of purposes illegal.
The fact that Cohen lied ok stand and Stormy did as well destroys any arguments
That's not how this works. There's a bunch of issues with this, but the most obvious example is this: given Trump's being tried by a state DA in a state court, it's a state crime.
Also, there's an exception to double jeopardy that might be relevant here called dual sovereignty doctrine. Basically, you can get prosecuted twice for the same time, once federally, and once by the state. The federal stuff for this crime? Handled by the statute of limitations. But the state stuff is still open.
It destroys logical arguments that the jury would consider. Unfortunately, a biased jury can still convict. There's little avenue for a legal challenge by Trump.
On the upside, it's exposed how unhinged the Left and Democrats have become to even a lot of normies who were also once Democrat supporters.
In their desperation to try to stop Trump from running again, these morons have basically not only cut off their own noses to spite their faces, they've also cut out their own eyes and tongues, too.
