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[King Arts]

I think denying that fraud happened because you're afraid of "the implications," is a total pussy move.

Yes the implications suck. We aren't hoping and praying the election was stolen, we wish it wasn't! I think all of us would prefer a legitimate Biden win over this, because we all know the implications are fucking terrifying and ugly.

But the evidence keeps pointing that way.

I've seen enough to believe this election was fraudulent, and I'm not happy about it. At one point I was losing sleep over it. I've come more to terms with it these days now. It's just a sad and frightening highly probable reality that I am forced to live with.

But you aren’t acting like you believe the election was stolen. Ok here are the three options assuming the election was stolen soldiers are either delusional and believe that Biden is the legitimate president. This option means that the soldiers are not morally bad or traitors just stupid sheeple who can’t see the obvious truth. But ask yourself why do you think only you and your allies know the truth and the soldiers don’t see. Either military men are dumb or the other options. Option 2 the military knows it was a fake election but they are too big of pussies to support the real president. I can have some sympathy for those in this position if the military kept Trump in power through force by executing those that were interfering with the election liberals would remember and the military would have to start getting involved in politics to keep those who would purge them out. It would end up like Imperial Germany or Japan with the army getting into politics. This may end the republic but that is in the future if you do nothing now the republic dies now that is an immediate problem. Wanting to stick your head in the sand maybe human and the army stays out of politics for their own safety but if they allowed a stolen election they are cowards and not worthy of the respect we show them as they aren’t heroes and failed to protect the rights of Americans in the most basic of way. The right to vote is important for democracy and them failing in that is worthy of contempt conflicts in the Middle East for oil or with Iran or China or Russia are not important they are mere economics rights are what the army is supposed to guard. The final option is that they are knowingly be traitors and support the false election. If this is what you believe you should be treating service men worse than Jane Fonda by spitting on them and calling them baby killers. So which of these options do you think is the reason the military did not support Trump and help the January 6 protests? That is why I don’t believe the bullshit about a stolen election because the people who espouse it haven’t thought threw the implications in fact like most conservatives they support military and police. This is double think.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Rand Paul is pretty decent, I'll give you that (though I much prefer his father); but Ted Cruz just comes across to me like he's playing a character for the cameras, and isn't genuine.

Rand Paul voted to certify the election on Jan 6th if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Rocinante]

But you aren’t acting like you believe the election was stolen.

I am outright saying, in no unclear terms, that I believe the election was stolen via multiple methods of fraud. I don't know how much more I can "act like it."

Ok here are the three options assuming the election was stolen soldiers are either delusional and believe that Biden is the legitimate president. This option means that the soldiers are not morally bad or traitors just stupid sheeple who can’t see the obvious truth. But ask yourself why do you think only you and your allies know the truth and the soldiers don’t see. Either military men are dumb or the other options. Option 2 the military knows it was a fake election but they are too big of pussies to support the real president. I can have some sympathy for those in this position if the military kept Trump in power through force by executing those that were interfering with the election liberals would remember and the military would have to start getting involved in politics to keep those who would purge them out. It would end up like Imperial Germany or Japan with the army getting into politics. This may end the republic but that is in the future if you do nothing now the republic dies now that is an immediate problem. Wanting to stick your head in the sand maybe human and the army stays out of politics for their own safety but if they allowed a stolen election they are cowards and not worthy of the respect we show them as they aren’t heroes and failed to protect the rights of Americans in the most basic of way. The right to vote is important for democracy and them failing in that is worthy of contempt conflicts in the Middle East for oil or with Iran or China or Russia are not important they are mere economics rights are what the army is supposed to guard. The final option is that they are knowingly be traitors and support the false election. If this is what you believe you should be treating service men worse than Jane Fonda by spitting on them and calling them baby killers. So which of these options do you think is the reason the military did not support Trump and help the January 6 protests? That is why I don’t believe the bullshit about a stolen election because the people who espouse it haven’t thought threw the implications in fact like most conservatives they support military and police. This is double think.

the military isn't unified.

We have military members here, some even in the intelligence community, who believe the election was stolen.

We know that the implications could mean civil war.

 

[Duke Nukem]

 

[King Arts]

I am outright saying that I believe the election was stolen. I don't know how much more I can "act like it."

the military isn't unified.

We have military members here, some even in the intelligence community, who believe the election was stolen.

We know the implications could mean civil war.

It’s been over half a year and they’ve done nothing and since you said they knew(thought) the election was fake that only leaves the last two options. You aren’t gonna like it but under your logic those soldiers aren’t following their oaths to fight ALL enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC otherwise they would have shot those who are treasonous and we would be in the middle of a civil war or one side would be purging the other and American democracy either dies or is changed.

 

[Rocinante]

It’s been over half a year and they’ve done nothing and since you said they knew(thought) the election was fake that only leaves the last two options. You aren’t gonna like it but under your logic those soldiers aren’t following their oaths to fight ALL enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC otherwise they would have shot those who are treasonous and we would be in the middle of a civil war or one side would be purging the other and American democracy either dies or is changed.

Your point?

 

[Lord Sovereign]

We know the implications could mean civil war.

Whatever they pulled off last year, the Democrats have been very stupid. They've handily provided the foundation myth for a full blown American Nationalist movement that'll echo down the years, and they won't have Covid to save them in future. That, coupled with state house Republicans really fucking about with their ability to bugger the system via mail-in, and MAGA loyalists slowly wrestling the party out of dying Neocon hands, may mean the future isn't as rosy for these stupid, stubborn optimates as they'd like to think.

All they had to do was stand aside and let the right clean up their mess. But they've elected to do things the hard way, so the hard way it is.

America, rightful heir to Rome, will prevail. I've no doubt of that.

 

[Terthna]

Rand Paul voted to certify the election on Jan 6th if I'm not mistaken.

One of the reasons I prefer his father; Ron Paul wouldn't have done that. Rand kinda strikes me as being more than a little spineless, to be honest, and doesn't seem willing to stand up to the GOP establishment.

 

[Bacle]

The biggest things pointing to election fraud and a stolen election are how much push-back the audit is getting.

If the Dems were confident Biden won legitly, they would be all for auditing the election to prove it.

 

[King Arts]

Your point?

Well again my point is you are acting far too calm for someone who believes the nation was soft couped you aren’t anti military where they have proven themselves completely useless at their intended role. So you aren’t acting like someone who believes that there was a fake election and the military and law enforcement are collaborators.

 

[Rocinante]

Well again my point is you are acting far too calm for someone who believes the nation was soft couped you aren’t anti military where they have proven themselves completely useless at their intended role. So you aren’t acting like someone who believes that there was a fake election and the military and law enforcement are collaborators.

who are you to judge how calm I should be?

I did say i've lost sleep about this, right?

And I spent weeks going on rants and working my way back and forth through different phases of anger, outright despair and acceptance.

Ultimately, life moves on and I only have so much power. My focus has to be on living the best I can in our current situation. I have to focus on the present. Living my life and supporting myself. I need to purchase food and pay rent so I have a home to live in. So I go to work and I live my life.

The process is still ongoing. Audits are happening now and will likely start in other states.

And I don't think they'll be able to pull the same shit in 22 and 24, because there is no covid excuse to pull some of the shit they pulled. We are wise to their tricks. It won't work again.

So I am living my life, I still see a political and non civil war path out of this, but I am also constantly concerned that this is the end of our country.

 

[Bigking321]

I know it's not really something people can confirm and might not believe me and that's fine.

I know someone that works at the pentagon. According to them the people in charge there are all in on opposing Trump and helping the democrats with their agenda and it's the most woke place they've ever seen.

The rank and file might hate all that stuff but the leadership is completely corrupt.

Again, it's just me saying that I heard this from a family friend. Feel free to completely disregard.

 

[LindyAF]

There was definitely some fraud - there's always some fraud, and there have been confirmed cases of fraud in 2020, IIRC there was at least one person who got caught for it in 2020. Was the fraud enough to make a difference? I don't know, and I don't really think we can know. In 2020 there was an unprecedented switch to mail in ballots, which are inherently more vulnerable, Trump inspired such hatred from the establishment and liberals that they would have done anything to stop him, and dems propagandized for months trying to give themselves an excuse for why the election results couldn't be trusted on the day of but might change in the days afterward, but as far as I'm aware we've seen no rock solid evidence that the fraud that occurred swayed the results.

End of the day who gives a shit? Imagine getting to the door on Flight 93 and going "Wait - it says do not enter!" The election was fake and gay, not just because of potential falsified votes, but because of the courts and and a federal bureaucracy which have de facto legislated contrary to both the will and interests of the people, both in 2020 and for years before, and past legislation that was forced on the country by a legislature that lied and schemed because they had decided that, their constituency not being to their liking, they would replace it. The 2020 election was illegitimate because every American election going back to at least the 60s was illegitimate.

"Well, as long as our country is stolen from us LEGALLY."

That said, there's not going to be any overturning the 2020 election or "reinstating" Trump, and it's pointless and counterproductive to wish there was. Resisting the effort to oust Trump would be mechanically the same regardless of what the "legitimate" result would have been, and would only have been possible with deliberate effort and planning and loyal allies while Trump was in office, if it was possible at all. It's certainly no longer possible. There's not going to be any magic Space Force generals descending from on high to arrest all the democrats and reveal that Trump was actually the president this whole time, if only people Trust The Plan enough. We need to move forward with a solid understanding of what is currently possible and what needs to become possible.

 

[LindyAF]

I know it's not really something people can confirm and might not believe me and that's fine.

I know someone that works at the pentagon. According to them the people in charge there are all in on opposing Trump and helping the democrats with their agenda and it's the most woke place they've ever seen.

The rank and file might hate all that stuff but the leadership is completely corrupt.

Again, it's just me saying that I heard this from a family friend. Feel free to completely disregard.

Entirely believable and I would actually be shocked if this wasn't the case. Upper level of the military is mostly Obama appointees IIRC.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I am also constantly concerned that this is the end of our country.

America has survived worse than an elite going through a retarded phase. I think you treacherous colonials will be just fine in the end. I mean, it could be worse. Just look at the state of my poor Britain!

Stand fast, yank. Show the courage your forefathers did at Bunker Hill and your Republic will thrive.

 

[King Arts]

who are you to judge how calm I should be?

I did say i've lost sleep about this, right?

And I spent weeks going on rants and working my way back and forth through different phases of anger, outright despair and acceptance.

Ultimately, life moves on and I only have so much power. My focus has to be on living the best I can in our current situation. I have to focus on the present. Living my life and supporting myself. I need to purchase food and pay rent so I have a home to live in. So I go to work and I live my life.

The process is still ongoing. Audits are happening now and will likely start in other states.

And I don't think they'll be able to pull the same shit in 22 and 24, because there is no covid excuse to pull some of the shit they pulled. We are wise to their tricks. It won't work again.

So I am living my life, I still see a political and non civil war path out of this, but I am also constantly concerned that this is the end of our country.

So how do you feel about our troops? Should we cut our military budget and put the money into other project like healthcare roads etc.

I know it's not really something people can confirm and might not believe me and that's fine.

I know someone that works at the pentagon. According to them the people in charge there are all in on opposing Trump and helping the democrats with their agenda and it's the most woke place they've ever seen.

The rank and file might hate all that stuff but the leadership is completely corrupt.

Again, it's just me saying that I heard this from a family friend. Feel free to completely disregard.

But that just makes Trump incompetent then. Like military officers serve at the pleasure of the president if he has the loyalty of the common soldiers but not the officers just purge the officers and promote from his supporters. It’s been done all throughout history before. Also purges don’t mean killing like in Stalinist Russia a mass firing would also be a purge. Trump could have done that, that he did not shows him to be a coward and unworthy of people supporting him.

 

[Zachowon]

I know it's not really something people can confirm and might not believe me and that's fine.

I know someone that works at the pentagon. According to them the people in charge there are all in on opposing Trump and helping the democrats with their agenda and it's the most woke place they've ever seen.

The rank and file might hate all that stuff but the leadership is completely corrupt.

Again, it's just me saying that I heard this from a family friend. Feel free to completely disregard.

That heavily depends. I am currently located at a Corps and not a single high up here gives a single shit and is focused on making sure we are ready for war with Russia and China.
The Pentagon has always been a horrible place, especially the civil.ians and out of touch officers.

Ask enlisted. Because a LOT of the people at the Pentagon don't know shit about what the low level actually like.

It also depends on what AREA they work in. Chiefs of Staff? Army? AF? Navy? Marines? CG? SF? FORSCOM? SOCOM? INSCOM?

I don't think you understand HOW vague you saying "The pentagon" sounds....

 

[Zachowon]

So how do you feel about our troops? Should we cut our military budget and put the money into other project like healthcare roads etc.


But that just makes Trump incompetent then. Like military officers serve at the pleasure of the president if he has the loyalty of the common soldiers but not the officers just purge the officers and promote from his supporters. It’s been done all throughout history before. Also purges don’t mean killing like in Stalinist Russia a mass firing would also be a purge. Trump could have done that, that he did not shows him to be a coward and unworthy of people supporting him.

Uh...it isn't as easy to just FIRE someone in the military in the US.....
Especially that Trump did a lot for the military....

 

[Rocinante]

So how do you feel about our troops? Should we cut our military budget and put the money into other project like healthcare roads etc.


But that just makes Trump incompetent then. Like military officers serve at the pleasure of the president if he has the loyalty of the common soldiers but not the officers just purge the officers and promote from his supporters. It’s been done all throughout history before. Also purges don’t mean killing like in Stalinist Russia a mass firing would also be a purge. Trump could have done that, that he did not shows him to be a coward and unworthy of people supporting him.

I'm fine with the military focusing on external threats while letting the internal political struggles sort themselves out.

As I said, I still see a potential non-violent political way out of this.

I think the fraudsters were one trick ponies. Or like, multiple tricks that can only be used once. Idk I suck at metaphors. My point being, I don't think they are going to pull this shit off again, and I think there is going to be a red wave in 22 and republicans take back the presidency in 24.

 

[King Arts]

Uh...it isn't as easy to just FIRE someone in the military in the US.....
Especially that Trump did a lot for the military....

I know enlisted guys have a bureaucracy with honorable dishonorable discharge etc. But isn’t it different for officers? Like their position in command of a unit is at the executives pleasure. Lincoln was able to remove McClellen because he found him to timid in combat. The president can send disloyal generals to basically sit in an office with no units to command.