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Captain X

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Well again my point is you are acting far too calm for someone who believes the nation was soft couped you aren’t anti military where they have proven themselves completely useless at their intended role. So you aren’t acting like someone who believes that there was a fake election and the military and law enforcement are collaborators.
I'm curious what you think that would look like. Do tell. :sneaky:

I don't get it, do you want me/us to openly call for civil war or assassinating various people, or for burning down places like BLM was and then just get banned or reported to the police lol? Seems like some sort of sneaky entrapment bullshit your trying to pull.

Raging on some internet forum will accomplish exactly nothing
And neither would picking up a rifle at this point either. Well, it wouldn't accomplish nothing - it would totally get you declared a criminal and get you arrested or killed.
 
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Zachowon

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So come 2024, should Trump or who ever he supports wins...
World war 3,because we all know damn well China wont pay
 

strunkenwhite

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I’m not advocating abandoning most of our allies in Europe or Asia now or in the foreseeable future. I’m saying if we suffer a major national disaster like a civil war or Yellowstone eruption or asteroid that wipes out a quarter of our people then no sane nation will hold it against us that we did not help them when China or Russia exploited them when we recover and try to rebuild our alliances.
I'm sure they would understand if we put a pause on certain international obligations while literally embroiled in civil war. I had gotten the impression that you were suggesting pulling out prospectively just because we might, hypothetically, come to the point of civil war in the future. Could be Airedale was responding to that, so if that was a mistaken impression it could change things.
So come 2024, should Trump or who ever he supports wins...
World war 3,because we all know damn well China wont pay
Mexico didn't pay either, and that was no big deal (WRT international politics).
 

LordsFire

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So come 2024, should Trump or who ever he supports wins...
World war 3,because we all know damn well China wont pay

We don't need WW3. We just need to blockade their merchant traffic.

Sure, they'd probably throw a temper tantrum over it, but their navy cannot effectively impede ours, and China can't supply itself with fuel or food.

Them sending their navy out to get sunk would not count as a world war. Them sending their air force out to get shot down would not count as a world war.

If they're crazy enough to launch nukes rather than pay up?

That would bring a world war. And there's some possibility they are actually that crazy, but not a high one.
 

Bacle

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Is it enough though? Tariffs don't really do much do a country like China. Maybe ut Embargos
Tariffs on anything made in China, and if that's not enough, sanctions on any private entity that is connected to, or does business with, the CCP. Also bans on exchange students, researchers, and tourists from the CCP coming to the US.

We don't need to beat them militarily, if we can contain them and bleed them economically, while removing our domestic market from their ability to control.
 

Zachowon

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And instead of focusing on us, they spread out to allied nations of ours and bully them to stop trade with us.

This literally sounds like how a world war starts
 

Bacle

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And instead of focusing on us, they spread out to allied nations of ours and bully them to stop trade with us.

This literally sounds like how a world war starts
This is the last option before armed conflict.

It is designed to destroy the CCP at home via fucking their markets and causing their own people to cast them out for killing the golden goose by unleashing the virus on the world.

Also, they bully others plenty already, and I said nothing about abandoning our defense agreements with our allies.
 

LordsFire

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And instead of focusing on us, they spread out to allied nations of ours and bully them to stop trade with us.

This literally sounds like how a world war starts

It can be, certainly, but a regional war is more likely. They don't really have the offensive projection to make it into a world war.
 

Zachowon

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It can be, certainly, but a regional war is more likely. They don't really have the offensive projection to make it into a world war.
It becomes a world War when they leverage thker allies to get them things.
 

Bacle

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...So North Korea?

China has no other allies.
The CCP have a defense pact with Iran, and almost own Pakistan.

There is enough firepower in China and it's allies to certainly make it a war that embroils most of Asia, at minimum.

And if they are able to get Russia on side as well, then Europe may come under threat if Putin makes a play for the Baltics and/or Ukraine while the US is bogged down in the Pacific.
 

LordsFire

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The CCP have a defense pact with Iran, and almost own Pakistan.

There is enough firepower in China and it's allies to certainly make it a war that embroils most of Asia, at minimum.

And if they are able to get Russia on side as well, then Europe may come under threat if Putin makes a play for the Baltics and/or Ukraine while the US is bogged down in the Pacific.

I hadn't known they had the defense pact with Iran; it doesn't really mean much of anything though, given Iran has no meaningful ability to project power outside of their immediate neighborhood. They could keep a carrier group busy for a couple of days gutting their navy and air force, but given that the Israelis would be happy to have unlimited license to deal with them, the US might not need to get involved at all.

Pakistan could distract India, that's fair.

Them getting Russia onside is beyond unlikely. It enters the realm of almost farcical. Putin has no illusions about who would win in China vs USA, and I'm sure they'd much rather ram through some economic concessions from Europe, or bite off another chunk of Ukraine that's small enough nobody else will be willing to go to war over it. If China and most of the rest of the world fights, Russia wins by default; getting involved earns them nothing.

Unless they go in against China, and like the opportunists they've been since Stalin, only attacking after China has clearly lost in order to seize some territory that, again, nobody else would care enough about to make them give back.

It is in Russia's interests to align with China in peace.

It's in their interests to step aside and sell them second-rate military equipment in war.
 

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