The main difference is that the US is just blundering, while Russia is, as always, lying and hard.
US Biolabs In the Ukraine
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I wish that were the case, but most of the destruction and harm caused by US 'blunders' is intentional, in pursuit of the desires of the US political class to pull more power and wealth to themselves while fucking the average US citizen and many people abroad as well.
After all, they cannot usher in the Great Reset and Green New Deal if society is doing well and people are content with the status quo. The destruction and death is meant to help sow the conditions for their social engineering dreams.
Why else would they keep saying gas prices won't matter if you drive an electric car, while ignoring the effect gas prices have on the price of all goods?
They know they are lying, they know what they want to do to the common pleb, they know they have a compliant mass media, academia, and IC community, and they know they will never actually be held accountable, even when people see through the bullshit.
That's a rambling conspiracy theory, not reality. Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to simple stupidity.
I wish it was a conspiracy theory, but the evidence has mounted to such a point that malice now looks more likey than stupidity.
Particularly after the stolen 2020 election, what all has come out about Fauci, NIH, Ecohealth Alliance, and the Wuhan Lab, and what happened on Jan 6th.
If dismissing it all as a conspiracy theory helps you sleep at night, fine, but that doesn't change the reality that it is malice, not stupidity, driving a lot of DC's 'blunders'.
What's the difference between a conspirancy theory and reality? About three months.
Remember, this is supposedly about the US trying to use birds to spread infection specifically to Slavs. This is the claim that should really tell anyone what they need to know about the nature of this claim. This is something the Russians cooked up themselves, and it couldn't be more obvious. I also can't help but notice that this is the aspect of it that everyone pushing it just keeps glossing over. So for this claim of US "bio-weapons" in Ukraine, just remember what those "bio-weapons" are actually claimed to be. This lets you know what they think of your intelligence, and frankly some of you are proving them right.
Terthna
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It could be; it could also be where they're researching the next COVID-19. You don't know; and insisting that everyone else is being hysterical for even considering worst case scenarios, while ranting about how the Russian government are habitual liars (conveniently ignoring that they are far from the only government guilty of that), isn't a convincing argument.
Agent23
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IMO what the idiots are doing is more gain of function, they might not be doing it with purely military purposes in mind, after all that retard Fauci is probably running the show.
Ukraine is just a lwaless shithole where there will be no oversight and no one will stop or audit them.
if I were the US deepstate/pentagon/alphabet soup agencies I'd be more than happy to let a nut like Fauci cook up some enhanced pathogens, they can be preserved for future use.
Basically dual purpose research for a time when shit hits the fan.
Just offering a possible angle.
And it "could be" that there are magical fairies that fart rainbows in Ukraine too. Bottom line is that you have no evidence of anything untoward in Ukraine other than flimsy "suspicions" and the words of a brutal dictator who is desperately searching for justifications for his war crimes. You're the one who isn't convincing here.
Oh yes, any doubt of what the US gov claims, and any nuance to the situation that doesn't paint the west as saints and Russia as Nazi Germnay 2.0, means someone is stupid, gullible, and/or pro-Russia.
After what happened in Wuhan, we cannot simply trust the US gov's version of events anymore than we can trust Putin's in this matter.
Maybe what is happening in those labs is purely benign research about shit like e. coli and livestock/waterfoul bugs to protect Ukrainian food safety. Frankly I hope that is the case.
However, labs that can do that kinda research can also use the same equipment and bugs for less benign purposes; even just unleashing e. coli into the water system of Russian controlled areas would cause them a lot of headaches.
Personally I'm more worried about the nuclear plants and radiation releases than the biolabs. That doesn't change that the the US gov's version of what's going on is just as trustworthy as Putin's; that is, not at all.
Terthna
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We know that there are biolabs in Ukraine, and we know the American government is worried about Russia getting their hands on them; these are things they've openly admitted. We also know what eventually came out of the Wuhan biolab that the American government also funded, so their track record with these sorts of facilities isn't exactly spotless. If that isn't enough to convince you that merely considering a worst case scenario regarding the Ukraine biolabs is reasonable, then you are simply not open to being convinced, and there is no point in discussing this with you.
ShadowsOfParadox
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Except for that whole bit where the Russian claims are about research in using birds as bioweapons targeting specific ethnic groups and the Ukraine claims that the labs weren't yet actually modernized.("Being Modernized" rather implies, you know, not being modern yet.)
Anyone else think that maybe, just maybe, what they were trying to stop the Russians from having access to was more modern bioresearch tools rather than "the secrets of the Slav Hating Birb Virus".
Oh sure, the US Gov took the ABSOLUTE worst possible tack for calming people down... but also, even assuming everything the Russians are saying is true... that still doesn't justify them invading Ukraine. It's not even really an excuse. Because if Ukraine was hosting that sort of research, it'd be in a "We now have a weapon to keep Russia from invading us, AGAIN, with." not a "We can now eradicate Russia." given that you know, Ukrainians are also Slavic. And if you think Ukraine hasn't been worried about Russia invading basically since the USSR went away... Let's be frank, Russia has invaded Ukraine every time they've been together enough to do it.
Anyone else think that maybe, just maybe, what they were trying to stop the Russians from having access to was more modern bioresearch tools rather than "the secrets of the Slav Hating Birb Virus".
Oh sure, the US Gov took the ABSOLUTE worst possible tack for calming people down... but also, even assuming everything the Russians are saying is true... that still doesn't justify them invading Ukraine. It's not even really an excuse. Because if Ukraine was hosting that sort of research, it'd be in a "We now have a weapon to keep Russia from invading us, AGAIN, with." not a "We can now eradicate Russia." given that you know, Ukrainians are also Slavic. And if you think Ukraine hasn't been worried about Russia invading basically since the USSR went away... Let's be frank, Russia has invaded Ukraine every time they've been together enough to do it.
Terthna
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Indeed, I'm not saying you should trust what the Russians are saying about the biolabs either; and it's not really relevant to their justification for invading Ukraine. I suspect it's something they've only recently latched onto, after they discovered something in the course of their invasion that make them more suspicious of the biolabs then they had been previously.
Doesn't that say more about us than it does about Russia?
Anyway, it's clearly bullshit. Does anyone here actually believe that Zelensky, a comedian turned politician, has the stones to develop a dirty nuke, a biological weapon, or assemble a Nazi regime? At least the US had the foresight to pretend there were WMDs BEFORE we invaded a country.
It's theater. And to be honest, it's not a bad play for the Russians at this point. I expect that they came up with this idea fairly recently. Any evidence they provide is probably going to be sketchy at best, but it will be all they and their allies need to justify the war. Which is really its whole purpose.
Yeah, because the Russians haven't been dishonest about any of this at all, have they?
No, they lie about everything. The problem is, members of our intelligence community and a high level NIH official conspired with the Chinese Government to virus bomb the country.
Which they succeeded at...
IE, I've zero reason to assume the Biden regime is being more honest than Putin.
And the evidence for this deranged fantasy is...
A crap ton of FOIA requests outing Fauci's email chains to people like Peter Daszak and others about the Wuhan lab and EcoHealth alliance, along with other gov docs that have come out.
It's all over in the Wu Flu thread.