Bear Ribs
Well-known member
So are you claiming you didn't post "Most people with these spectrometers do not have the time or resources " or did you move the goalposts?
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Terthna
Professional Lurker
With the form of government we're supposed to have, maybe; but the establishment has always been trying to turn American into an oligarchy, and consistency isn't a requirement for authoritarian forms of governance.
Chiron
Well-known member
Yes and you said it was easy and I replied to you that you should do it then since it is so easy for these people or yourself to get a controlled substance.
Instead of bowing out, you moved the goal posts and claimed I was the one doing it.
My point stands, if it is easy, then please casually go get a COVID vaccine vial from a Pharmacist without a doctor's note or a regulator's badge and independently prove or disprove the hypothesis.
Otherwise concede the point that it is not easy and that trying to obtain a controlled substance without proper authorization to do so is a crime. Which in turn is a bar against independent analysis by people with spectrometers who do not have the time, resources, or connections to get access to the vaccine vials needed to test the theory because the regulatory bodies will demand they get certain licenses and background checks first. Otherwise they risk arrest for possessing a controlled substance without authorization.
Which if you thought things through, you would have realized before making a fool of yourself.
Bear Ribs
Well-known member
I pointed out it would be easy for someone with a Raman Spectrometer, not any random person, and you know it given you said the same yourself. Your line of reasoning would be so much more convincing if you hadn't suddenly pivoted from "People with the tools don't have time to do it" to "Bear Ribs has to personally do it" immediately after I told Bacle I didn't own that specific tool. As is, it's blatantly apparent your "point" is opportunistic on that, and contradicts your previous claims.
Chiron
Well-known member
You are misconstruing the argument again.
The Basics:
Does a Raman Spectrometer owning person who is not in the medical industry or a regulator have actual access to the vaccine vials which are controlled substances?
Yes: You have a point
No: You don't have a point.
Answer this basic question of whether an independent guy who doesn't have a medical or pharmaceutical license or a Government Badge can get authorized access to the controlled substances that are the vaccines and not risk arrest for having a controlled substance without authorization.
Then we can go from there.
Bear Ribs
Well-known member
Ahaha, you really didn't do any research on this at all did you? Wow. No, I didn't misconstrue anything, you just don't have any facts on your side.
Since the answer is yes, I have a point. In fact, it's ludicrous to think they don't. While Refractometers* are more common due to cost, (I have one of those as well), many pharmacies commonly keep a spectrometer on hand. Why? To test all their drugs, because it's a great way to spot counterfeits and ensure that the quality is up to par. So not only do these many pharmacies have spectrometers, the reason they keep those expensive tools is specifically so they can test things like vials of vaccines and double-check that it's according to formula and not, say, PZP in the vial. That's literally what they're for. So yeah, I have a point, and you don't.
*A refractometer should also show the difference between PZP and vaccine as any structural chemical change will alter the refractive index, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to say what the specific difference would be.
Bigking321
Well-known member
Has anyone died from the omnicron variant yet? I thought it was a much milder mutation.
I don't know that anyone has severe symptoms from OMICRON <dun dun DAHHHHHH>.
Children are in more danger from CNN producers than omicron.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Look, I'm in favour of vaccination, but this isn't how you persuade people. More importantly, this isn't how you calm them down.
They don't want to calm them down. They want them angry at the unvaccinated, they want the conflict between us
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Good theory, but that would require committed foresight and strategy. This lot have all the Machiavellian capabilities of this guy.
Bigking321
Well-known member
They have slowly infiltrated and taken over almost every institution and can now silence anyone that disagrees with them.
Individuals in their group are complete idiots, but as a whole they are on the verge of taking over the country permanently.
They are plenty machiavellian and should not be underestimated. They have no respect for rules and traditions and will do anything to win.
Individuals in their group are complete idiots, but as a whole they are on the verge of taking over the country permanently.
They are plenty machiavellian and should not be underestimated. They have no respect for rules and traditions and will do anything to win.
Fucking Boris Johnson! 
"Go out, get COVID, and ignore the science, or listen to Chris Witty."
Yeah, this has backfired massively; more and more people are saying "fuck you", "we didn't elect Witty", and his own Party have turned against him. Hell, the fucking Liberal Democrats, the fucking Lib Dems of all parties!, won more seats than the Conservatives in the bi-election.
I'm fully expecting there's going to be a vote of no confidence in Johnson by the New Year.
"Go out, get COVID, and ignore the science, or listen to Chris Witty."Yeah, this has backfired massively; more and more people are saying "fuck you", "we didn't elect Witty", and his own Party have turned against him. Hell, the fucking Liberal Democrats, the fucking Lib Dems of all parties!, won more seats than the Conservatives in the bi-election.
I'm fully expecting there's going to be a vote of no confidence in Johnson by the New Year.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
...you mean the lib-right of yesteryear fell asleep at the wheel and this lot crashed into academia with all the subtlety of the Kool Aid man?
You can certainly argue it's a testament to right wing incompetence that these galaxy brains manage to make any gains whatsoever, but that is not an example of their power.
To be fair the left was for generations funded by a literal super power and was then aided by another great power in china and other minor powers under the comunists sway while the right only had access to internal resources it could draw upon in country.
The fact that that the right did as well as it did was remarkable and now the left doesn't have the same level of outside funding any more. Gains will be made but man is it going to suck.
BREAKING: Boeing becomes latest US company to suspend vaccine mandate
"Meanwhile, after careful review, Boeing has suspended its vaccination requirement in line with a federal court's decision prohibiting enforcement of the federal contractor executive order and a number of state laws."
A big domino falls; Boeing suspending it is a gaint sign of the way corporate winds are going. The heads of American and Southwest Airlines already came out against it and are saying the masks do nothing the in cabin air-scrubbers do not already do.
Chiron
Well-known member
None of this supports your point.
Again the issue is:
Can an INDEPENDENT TECHNICIAN not associated with the Medical Industry and Government, access Covid vaccine vials to run the tests you call for. Seeing that both the Medical Industry and Government have discredited themselves in this pandemic with pharmacies routinely 'mistakenly' giving children adult doses of covid vax instead of flu shots, we need truly independent testers not associated with those industries to test these products.
Quit dodging and answer the damn question. I could care less if Medical Industry and Government types can run the tests, that is not the issue here, what we want is outside verification as we can't trust those 2 to give a truthful answer when they have repeatably lied and silenced whistleblowers, plus deliberately injected people with the wrong doses of the wrong vaccine they asked for.
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That said, moving on with the topic:
Dr. Peter McCullough on his fight to make early multi-drug treatment of Covid-19 the standard of care and the complete failure of the bulk of America's doctors to honor their oaths to treat patients early because the FDA, Fauci, and CDC told them not to.