Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022

WolfBear

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IIRC in 2010 Yanukovych was elected on a platform that would further pursue integration in the European Union but not in any hurry to join NATO though still involved with it. This was all referenced in the friendship thread IIRC.

Yeah, and this is where exactly the issue with NATO is. Yanukovych was very Russia-friendly and Donbass-friendly (other than for his corruption) and AFAIK did not seek NATO membership, and how did Russia respond to his friendliness? With reciprocal friendliness? No; rather, with a trade war and economic warfare:


In other words, the fact that Yanukovych was keeping Ukraine out of NATO and was friendly towards Ukraine's Russian-speakers was not enough for Russia back then; rather, Russia insisted on bullying and pressuring Ukraine to ditch closer ties with the European Union and join the Eurasian Economic Union instead--or at least not associate with either of these two blocs.

This is ultimately when it was clear that making nice to Russia won't do since Russia could simply always demand more. Yanukovych also extended the lease of the Russian fleet in Crimea until the 2040s and Ukraine subsequently got rewarded for this with the Crimean takeover and Donbass War:


And Ukraine got rewarded for giving up its nuclear weapons in the 1990s with a Russian invasion in 2022--after Russia promised in the Budapest Memorandum to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity, a promise that Russia had already violated back in 2014!
 

Agent23

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SchrodingersWehraboo

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The Ombudsman of the LPR met with the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who voluntarily laid down their arms. The prisoners were informed that work was under way to establish contact with their relatives. Read more on the TV channel "Izvestia"




The city of Shchastya completely came under the control of the LPR. There is not a trace of the Armed Forces of Ukraine left in it, Izvestia correspondent Denis Kulaga reported. He said that the city has difficulties with gas, water and electricity. Read more on the TV channel "Izvestia"




EU fighter jet donations claimed as MIGS, not Western designs with foreign pilots as some were speculating.

Second source.
 
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Agent23

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And a graph of the value of the Ruble up to this point.

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I have seen a ton of nonsense about the Russian economy and savings and Russians not having any savings and the like.

Here is the thing, though, most people alive in Russia today still remember the hyperinflation in the 90s and they probably don't trust the stock market all that much.

So what does that mean, you ask?

Apartments, houses, land.

That is the place where most people in Eastern Europe and Russia keep their money exactly because they use housing as a hedge against inflation.

Maybe now, with a lot of profitable Russian companies on sale and the west not wanting to touch them the Russians will start buying stocks, too.

Me, I am waiting for the other shoe to drop and for the Russians to temporarily have some war related trouble that forces the gas to stop flowing.

A fall in the Rouble's price will actually benefit Russian companies that export stuff and that have ruble-denominated debts, also if you think that this weaponization of the world financial system is going to go unnoticed, you have another thing coming.Same goes for peple who own apartments, land, etc, mortgaged or not.Hell, this crisis could serve to wipe out a lot of Russian household debt.

And here is a nice little video from Maverick of Wall Street, covering the situation, among many other things:



To summarize:

1. More truth about the coof/Fauci Flu, uh, oh, Moderna had a patent on DNA sequences in that there virus and the CDC is hiding data, but uh, oh, Putler evil so don't look at the man behind the curtain.Convenient timing, no?

2. Sanctions are mostly ineffective because if they were tougher they will hurt west massively.

3. The media is going all in on the Russia narrative bullshit.

4. The blob talking heads are so delusional that the systempig journos have to remind them that Russia is a nuclear power.

5. Like any independent-minded person that does the verboten act of doing his own research, Maverick thinks that Putin has a point and that maybe, just maybe the neonazis in Ukraine are a big factor.

INB4 "But Zelenski was Jewish..." So, what, the von Papen government was thought of as potentially friendly to jews and was backed by the banking and industrial sectors of the German economy.Same von Papen that wound up giving Hitler power.
It is obvious the idiot is stupid enough to think that he can control them, just like some Jews and financiers in Germany thought that they could have a coalition with Hitler, or he is just a puppet controlled by interests that don't care that some of their other pawns are Nazis.
On the bright side, hopefully Zelenski can serve as final proof that there is no such thing as a global zionist plot, because people as dumb as he is would spill the beans too easily.
As intelligent as they might be on average as a group, that doesn't mean that some Jewish people aren't complete and utter morons, or megalomaniacs, or clowns.Sarah Silverman and Natalie Portman, anyone?

I mean, American jewish leftwing intellectuals that hate Israel and support Palestine and the Jihadists are a thing.

In more related news, Brazil declines to join in on the sanctions train and launches a few truth bombs.
 
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PsihoKekec

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But I am curious as to what a realistic compromise peace, assuming neither an outright Ukrainian victory (quite implausible without direct US/NATO aid by the looks of it) or a Russian stomp in the next week or month, would even look like at this point.
Lugansk and Donbass region get recognised as ''independent states'' in their full borders.
Ukrainian military gets severely restricted.
Ukraine has to put into their constitution that it will not join any organisations that any of it's neighbours disapproves of.
Lifting of some EU sanctions.

The starting term will probably be harsher, as a negotiating tactic.

Well Belarussians have their own distinct identity and did overwhelmingly vote for Independence thirty years ago.
They didn't, there never was a referendum on independence, main reason why Lukashenko won his first presidential elections was due to him being very outspoken critic of the independence

Can you back it up then?
Can you? Because all you got is a tweet by a single guy, who happens to be a political hack.

Look, the Russians are using unencrypted comms that anyone can listen to.
Anyone in range can listen. And people who are putting these radio calls on internet are also very vested into the propaganda war and are not above faking these calls. As intelligence you should be familiar with term Funkspiel.

Yeah, and this is where exactly the issue with NATO is. Yanukovych was very Russia-friendly and Donbass-friendly (other than for his corruption) and AFAIK did not seek NATO membership, and how did Russia respond to his friendliness? With reciprocal friendliness? No; rather, with a trade war and economic warfare:
The trade war was meant to dissuade Ukraine from the EU association treaty. Basically Ukraine was supposed to remove import tariffs from EU goods, which due to trade treaty with Russia could also mean tariff free access for EU goods to Russian markets, so Russia told them they will cancel the trade deal (a reasonable move) and started the trade war to pressure them (asshole move).
Ironically it was the free trade with EU that gave Yanikovich cold feet, as he realised that most of the Ukrainian industry can't compete with EU goods, so it would kill lot of jobs within Ukraine, thus killing his political career, thereby he tried to negotiate grace period with the EU, but the reply could be summed up as ''bite the pillow bitch, we are going in dry''. So he turned to Putin for counteroffer. Funnily, after the Maidan bloodshed, the coup junta got their grace period right away.
 

SchrodingersWehraboo

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Any single picture of captured Javelin launchers yet? So far it's just MLAWs and SMAWs. That's been the biggest fakery of the war. Garbage Javelin memes gave been flooding the net since day one. So I wonder why we haven't gotten any footage of them in action akin to Syria. The only ATGM footage I've seen seems to be from the Novorossian side. Combined with the fact that these things weigh 50 pounds, and I'd assume a few might be left behind in the confusion of withdrawal.
 

Arlos

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Any single picture of captured Javelin launchers yet? So far it's just MLAWs and SMAWs. That's been the biggest fakery of the war. Garbage Javelin memes gave been flooding the net since day one. So I wonder why we haven't gotten any footage of them in action akin to Syria. The only ATGM footage I've seen seems to be from the Novorossian side. Combined with the fact that these things weigh 50 pounds, and I'd assume a few might be left behind in the confusion of withdrawal.
No sign of them being used by Ukrainian, or of Russian capturing them, best guess is someone tought they wouldn’t be necessary and sold them to the black market...
 

Marduk

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The trade war was meant to dissuade Ukraine from the EU association treaty. Basically Ukraine was supposed to remove import tariffs from EU goods, which due to trade treaty with Russia could also mean tariff free access for EU goods to Russian markets, so Russia told them they will cancel the trade deal (a reasonable move) and started the trade war to pressure them (asshole move).
Why don't you read up on the details instead of blindly repeating the propaganda line.
Russia does have a customs union...
But... Ukraine was never in it!
So if there were customs inspections on Russia-Ukraine border, nothing was stopping them from applying tariffs on specifically non Ukrainian products being imported. Similarly to how Switzerland does with some EU vs non EU imports, and on top of that Switzerland has an open border.
To add insult to injury, Belarus, which is a good little puppet, despite not having a deal in the EU was doing (until 2021) exactly the thing that Ukraine is being accused here of possibly doing in the future, with no consequence.
Many banned items have entered through Belarus, after repacking and relabelling.
 

Agent23

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Why don't you read up on the details instead of blindly repeating the propaganda line.
Russia does have a customs union...
But... Ukraine was never in it!
Because, as we told you, over and over and over, Ukraine had a free trade zone with Russia and it benefited hugely from that free trade zone.
We went through all this in detail, but once again you are just posting that same line and that same link.

So if there were customs inspections on Russia-Ukraine border, nothing was stopping them from applying tariffs on specifically non Ukrainian products being imported. Similarly to how Switzerland does with some EU vs non EU imports, and on top of that Switzerland has an open border.
The swiss also hate the way the EU constantly bullies them into these sorts of arrangements, but it doesn't have a real out since it is encircled.
It is also the European upper class's favorite money laundromat and ski resort.
More over, it has been integrated in the European markets since before there was a Common European market, before all the FTAs, GATT, WTO, etc.
Nestle, or Kitkat, anyone?
More like you comparing apples and oranges.
To add insult to injury, Belarus, which is a good little puppet, despite not having a deal in the EU was doing (until 2021) exactly the thing that Ukraine is being accused here of possibly doing in the future, with no consequence.
Is Belarus in a free trade zone with the EU?

Also, great job linking to a network that calls your country evil and calls anyone on the right of Stalin an alt-right terrorist.
 
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Zachowon

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Targeting which prisoners; Russians who surrendered, or pro-Russian Ukrainians held by the Kiev gov?
Ukrainians they have captured
Zachowon, you speak Russian?
I have people that can.
I can fidn a way to uploa the audio files for everyone to get thier own ideas if what is being said.
Of course they are using code words and such.
Lugansk and Donbass region get recognised as ''independent states'' in their full borders.
Ukrainian military gets severely restricted.
Ukraine has to put into their constitution that it will not join any organisations that any of it's neighbours disapproves of.
Lifting of some EU sanctions.

The starting term will probably be harsher, as a negotiating tactic.


They didn't, there never was a referendum on independence, main reason why Lukashenko won his first presidential elections was due to him being very outspoken critic of the independence


Can you? Because all you got is a tweet by a single guy, who happens to be a political hack.


Anyone in range can listen. And people who are putting these radio calls on internet are also very vested into the propaganda war and are not above faking these calls. As intelligence you should be familiar with term Funkspiel.


The trade war was meant to dissuade Ukraine from the EU association treaty. Basically Ukraine was supposed to remove import tariffs from EU goods, which due to trade treaty with Russia could also mean tariff free access for EU goods to Russian markets, so Russia told them they will cancel the trade deal (a reasonable move) and started the trade war to pressure them (asshole move).
Ironically it was the free trade with EU that gave Yanikovich cold feet, as he realised that most of the Ukrainian industry can't compete with EU goods, so it would kill lot of jobs within Ukraine, thus killing his political career, thereby he tried to negotiate grace period with the EU, but the reply could be summed up as ''bite the pillow bitch, we are going in dry''. So he turned to Putin for counteroffer. Funnily, after the Maidan bloodshed, the coup junta got their grace period right away.
Have you listened to them yourself? No?
They arnt faked, I can assure you. Faking these kinds communications arnt as easy with digital radios.

I mean I have had a Russian translator giving me the rundown.


Said Russians also brought up 4k Russian casualties and were being wiped out by arty
 

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