TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Why sending weapons and vowing to defend it?
Israel 🇮🇱 State of Israel Thread
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IndyFront
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Eh... Iran could get a nuke fairly easily, and Iran already has a size, strength and strategic depth advantage over Israel and this is assuming Iran does not already have nukes...
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
I'm curious why you think Iran has a strength advantage over Israel?
And I'm curious as to why anyone thinks it matters. They've not going to be able to send armies against each other. Only missiles and bombing missions.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Yes, and who has more air power should be pretty obvious.
IndyFront
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Pound for pound Israel would be stronger I guess, but the sheer size and cultural depth with which Iran has sunken its tentacles into the region rivals that of Israel, who likely wouldn't exist if not for their nukes and the Big Stick of the USA on its side. Israel is just so tiny it gets an automatic handicap in my mind (especially against a nation the size of Interwar Germany with likely nuke capabilities and regional soft and hard power alike).
Yes,but who would win counting votes? Biden faked elections once.What stop him from doing that again?
But,let assume that deep state do not manage to fake it - remember,that jews supported Democrats,not Trump in elections.
He would remember that.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
More air power where? The IDF might have a nice airforce, but flying those planes over to bomb Iran sounds like a trip that many of them would not make it back from.
Especially if the Russians decide to intervene. And they could - they have non-trivial military assets stationed in Syria still.
IndyFront
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I find it ironic the Zionists who so vociferously accuse me of antisemitism claim the Jews have near-total hegemony over the Middle East and are uniquely incapable of genocide
I find it ironic the Zionists who so vociferously accuse me of antisemitism claim the Jews have near-total hegemony over the Middle East and are uniquely incapable of genocide
And of course, neither claim is true.
The Israeli's think themselves invincible because for decades they have been fighting Arabs.
The Iranians.. are not Arabs.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
The question is a matter of tanker capacity, not a matter of 'can they get through to there?'
After the absolute shit-show Russian AA and air force has been in Ukraine, do you really think they're going to pick a fight with Israel, who has one of the most competent air forces in the world?
At this point, it's questionable if any Russian AA would be effective against F-35s, and even if it is, SEAD is hardly a new concept. If Russia wants to try to shoot down a few Israeli planes, and get their assets in theater utterly wrecked for their trouble, that's their decision to make.
It'd be a massive loss of face for them, and there's absolutely nothing they'd be able to do meaningfully in response. I doubt the Russians will stick their necks out for Iran, when they've already stuck other parts into a blender in Ukraine.
IndyFront
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Iran has far more of a cultural and political influence in the Middle East and North Africa than Israel. Israel is an appendage of the American Neoliberal Empire, nothing more.
Iraq is between Israel and Iran.
US is also in Iraq and Syria. Therefore, US also intervenes.
Eh, not really.
They do shit themselves. Just remember, Iran hates you, and everyone you love unless you are Muslim.
Only becouse Izrael have no political influence at all.Iran is old nation,and,when they are muslims,they are still in odds with both turks and arabs.
Iran is also in Iraq and Syria.
Nope.Or,only in theory.They would kill turks and arabs who do not bow to them first,then they would go after us.
Which mean,never.
If Izrael do not keep provoking them,they would not even thought about them.
And,speaking about hate - who do you think slit on christian priests,iranians or jews in Jerusalem?
TheRomanSlayer
Kayabangan, Dugo, at Dangal
I've met a few Iranians who don't have good opinions of Arabs though.
IndyFront
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Liberals/left who say America is the most racist country in the world obviously do not know much about the world they live in, mainly because they live in a cartoon version of reality where all the racist and evil and antisemitic villains are moustache-twirling characatures of real-life villains, which are more often than not charismatic and capable of swaying large groups of people to their cause. Go look up AI speeches of Adolf Hitler in English, he sounds more like an intellectual elite or a charismatic smooth-talking liberal US Democrat than a brutish conservative populist like Trump.
Creepy stuff...
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Eurozone and North America are a few happy islands on this regard, social liberal cosmopolitan progressive tend to forget that, because there's lot of resentment outside of it between historically resentful groups. Here in Italy "maranzas" of North African parenthood fight each over drug territory and rarely like each other...wouldn't surprise me if it is taboo for my amicable acquaintances that is this Egyptian-Afghan couple that both parents barely approve because it's not the same culture or faith (she is Hazara so in theory Shia, he is Egyptian Sunni-secularish?).
China for example is generally hated because their neighbors had to deal with them one way or another...we differentiate in west between the dynasties...the Vietnamese, Burmese, Koreans and so ON had to deal with them costantly.
Europe could be a happy island if they hadn't fifth columnists who serviced bankers.
TheRomanSlayer
Kayabangan, Dugo, at Dangal
I guess even within the Muslim world, race and ethnicity still trump everything else. Hazaras are widely despised in Afghanistan, not only because of their Shia faith, but because of their physical features.
Example of a Hazara:
And an example of a Pashtun:
