Israel 🇮🇱 State of Israel Thread

[Scottty]

I've met a few Iranians who don't have good opinions of Arabs though.

From what I've been told, most non-Arab Muslims don't have anything good to say about Arabs. One Muslim who spoke to me about this seemed to really despise the Saudi regime in particular; he said they were people who believe they can do whatever evil they like because they are "the chosen" or something like that.

 

[ATP]

That's bullshit. Iran's leadership hates Israel and what they stand for.

After they helped shah secret police murder and torture them,and later blown up their scientists.
Without that,they would be typical muslims - who would go after world conqest,but first they must kick other muslims and become their leader.In case of Iran,it mean : never.

Turks once pulled it out,so could do that again.That it is why i fear only them among muslims.

 

[TheRejectionist]

I guess even within the Muslim world, race and ethnicity still trump everything else. Hazaras are widely despised in Afghanistan, not only because of their Shia faith, but because of their physical features.

Example of a Hazara:

And an example of a Pashtun:

I don't know the extent to which it is but it is quite often 40%-60%.

Yeah Hazaras have the bad luck of bad neighbors, though the diasporan Afghans seem not to care. They suffered like the Circassians and Armenians but only those who are passionate like history (though my discovery was because of my linguistic exam) know they have been genocided like them, this happened around the 1890s.

 

[Marduk]

From what I've been told, most non-Arab Muslims don't have anything good to say about Arabs. One Muslim who spoke to me about this seemed to really despise the Saudi regime in particular; he said they were people who believe they can do whatever evil they like because they are "the chosen" or something like that.

Obviously, Arabs aren't even hiding that in the Muslim world, everyone is equal, but Arabs are the most equal of them all. After all, religious scholarship and prayer counts properly only if done in their language - though non-Sunnis like Iran sometimes rebel against that (and even then not completely), and so the Sunni-Shia conflict thrives.

 

[TheRejectionist]

 

[LordsFire]

To quote Husky earlier:

"Well yes, but besides the Iranian Takeover of the US Embassy in Tehran in 1979...
and the 1981 Iraqi Embassy Bombing in Beirut by Iranian...
the 1983 US Embassy Bombing in Beirut...
the 1983 Bombing of the US Embassy in Kuwait...
the 1984 US Embassy Bombing in Beirut...
the 1987 Saudi Embassy Attack and Abduction and Attacks on the French and Kuwaiti Embassies...
the 1990 Chinese Embassy Attack in Tehran...
the 1992 Israeli Embassy attack in Buenos Aires...
the 2008 Car Bombing of US Embassy Personnel in Beirut...
the 2008 Shellings of the US Embassy in Sanaa...
the 2009 Pakistani Embassy Attack in Tehran...
the 2010 Pakistani Embassy Attack in Tehran...
the 2011 Attack on the British Embassy in Tehran...
the 2016 Attacks on Saudi Missions in Iran...
the 2019 Attack on the US Embassy in Baghdad...
the 2020 Rocket Attacks on the US Embassy in Baghdad...
the 2023 Mortar Attacks on the US Embassy in Baghdad

…what examples are there of Iran being behind attacks on foreign diplomatic missions? This is simply unprecedented..."

Pretending this was the result of Israeli provocation, not simply another act in Iran's sustained genocidal war against Israel, is fundamentally dishonest.

 

[Zachowon]

I mean, she is wrong though.
Going back to when global trade was at its start of the late 1800s, we have the 55 days at Peking, invovled the Boxers and the Qing taking over Lgeations (Embassies).
1918, Bolshiveks raided the UK Embassy in Russia.
Then in the early 1920s the US delegation to three countries tries was raided. Well, only one of them was by a foreign nation. The rest were bombings.
Then you go into the later end of the 29s and you have the Nanking incident eith China, and then the western backed Nationalist army going and raiding the Soviet embassy to take someone out of it.

Basically, this shit been going on awhile.
Often times Terror attacks but nation states acting on them is pretty normal historically

 

[strunkenwhite]

Often times Terror attacks but nation states acting on them is pretty normal historically

Is it normal though? There's a big difference between "normal" and "not unprecedented".

 

[Zachowon]

Is it normal though? There's a big difference between "normal" and "not unprecedented".

Not unprecedented is a better term yes

 

[Marduk]

Fuck this optics warfare shit for idiots. Its validity is inversely proportional to how much the reader knows of laws and practice of war.
It wasn't actual embassy, but a residence nearby, and even if it was, if Iran and Syria want to have war meetings with Hezbollah honchos there, their choice, and besides a lot of the diplomatic protections by Vienna convention apply to host country, not third parties like Israel is to Iranian facilities in Syria.
If China was organizing drone and missile attacks on USA through communist proxies in Mexico, i assure you a lot more than Chinese missions in Mexico would be getting blasted.
Take this by common sense, if the protections of embassies were absolute and applied to everyone, not just the host country, it would enable absolutely insane legalistic trolling in wars vs alliances.
Say country A is fighting against countries B and C who are allied to each other.
A has a not too big but very good airforce and can organize occasional precision airstrikes on the territories of B and C. So what do B and C do? They move the important military command functions to each other's embassy compounds, so that legally A can never airstrike those. Of course that would not really work in real life, because a law like that is too retarded even for our reality, which is why it's not the law.

 

[IndyFront]

I mean, the US and its allies have been pretty clear they do not want Israel to escalate and if it does - it's on its own. And we really don't know whether or not Iran has a nuke or even nukes - plural. I think it would be unwise of Israel to launch anything more than a proportional strike, if any at all. The exchange was largely a victory for Israel (despite the US likely intercepting most of the Iranian missiles and drones)

 

[Scottty]

I mean, the US and its allies have been pretty clear they do not want Israel to escalate and if it does - it's on its own. And we really don't know whether or not Iran has a nuke or even nukes - plural. I think it would be unwise of Israel to launch anything more than a proportional strike, if any at all. The exchange was largely a victory for Israel (despite the US likely intercepting most of the Iranian missiles and drones)

If Iran has the big one and means to drop it on Israel, they'll want to make sure that it gets through. Remember, these people are not Arabs.
So if that were the plan, what we might expect to see would first be a lot more non-nuclear attacks. Waves and waves of them. Anyone who's old enough to have played Missile Command or similar games from the 1980s knows that eventually the player runs out of interceptors before the off-screen enemy runs out of missiles - and then all the player's cities get blown up, Game Over, put another coin in if you want to play again.
Iran has lots more drones and missiles. Lots more. A token attack with less then 1% of it's stock is symbolic - but sending a serious message.

 

[Zachowon]

If Iran has the big one and means to drop it on Israel, they'll want to make sure that it gets through. Remember, these people are not Arabs.
So if that were the plan, what we might expect to see would first be a lot more non-nuclear attacks. Waves and waves of them. Anyone who's old enough to have played Missile Command or similar games from the 1980s knows that eventually the player runs out of interceptors before the off-screen enemy runs out of missiles - and then all the player's cities get blown up, Game Over, put another coin in if you want to play again.
Iran has lots more drones and missiles. Lots more. A token attack with less then 1% of it's stock is symbolic - but sending a serious message.

The US, UK and even Jordan helped defend Israel. So it would basically be having to deplete the stock of many nations

 

[Jormungandr]

Just seen an indie news reporter say that mini civil war is starting to kick up in Iran.



This "Army of Justice" is actually armed with military grade hardware, apparently.

 

[Scottty]

The US, UK and even Jordan helped defend Israel. So it would basically be having to deplete the stock of many nations

Well, that would the portion of their stock that they are willing to use for Israel - and have already positioned there. A big enough missile swarm could overwhelm the interceptors they have there, and do lots of damage before more could be brought in.

 

[Cherico]

Well, that would the portion of their stock that they are willing to use for Israel - and have already positioned there. A big enough missile swarm could overwhelm the interceptors they have there, and do lots of damage before more could be brought in.

And what if the rest of the world decides they have had enough of Irans nonsense?

Keep in mind the rest of the Arab world hates them so much their entertaining the idea of tolerating Israel, and that's just their enemies in the local area.

 

[Scottty]

And what if the rest of the world decides they have had enough of Irans nonsense?

Keep in mind the rest of the Arab world hates them so much their entertaining the idea of tolerating Israel, and that's just their enemies in the local area.

Iran is not part of "the Arab world".

 

[IndyFront]

Iran is not part of "the Arab world".

I don't think he was saying Iran was Arab, just that there could be an Arab coalition that could be convinced or persuaded to join in on an Anti-Iran coalition spearheaded by Israel and the US. I personally think that would be an incredibly shortsighted move as Iran is unlike any military force the US has fought recently and I do not think we're prepared, especially if the BRICS/UN jump in on the side of Iran, meaning full-blown WW3...

 

[TheRejectionist]

Saudi Arabia and Iran have restored relations in a while and nobody is so demented in the area to tolerate Israel beyond "we need to keep it cool or we are going to be the next Iraq,Syria,Yemen and get destroyed by US".

 

[IndyFront]

Saudi Arabia and Iran have restored relations in a while and nobody is so demented in the area to tolerate Israel beyond "we need to keep it cool or we are going to be the next Iraq,Syria,Yemen and get destroyed by US".

SA also has extremely close ties with the US, and through the US, Israel. There is absolutely no guarantee that SA would side with Iran. Iran's allies would more likely come from outside of the ME. I don't even think Turkey would side with Iran, they're more pro-Hamas than they are pro-Iran.