And so it begins....

[Cherico]

Which isn't even getting into all the infrastructure that's been in sore need of maintenance or outright replacement for decades; which wouldn't have been a problem when we actually had the money to finance such a thing, but by the time it all starts failing on us, it's doubtful that we still will. We had all this money, and yet we completely failed to invest it in the one thing that would most benefit our nation going forward, even during the hard times; the infrastructure.

The boomers wont be remembered well by future generations, so much money squandered on stupid bullshit. So much destroyed in their pointless rebellion, but hey they got to have one hell of a party so that's some thing.

 

[Terthna]

The boomers wont be remembered well by future generations, so much money squandered on stupid bullshit. So much destroyed in their pointless rebellion, but hey they got to have one hell of a party so that's some thing.

At least they'll be better off than the millenials; we're going to be remembered as the generation who took the mess the boomers left us, and set it on fire.

 

[Cherico]

At least they'll be better off than the millenials; we're going to be remembered as the generation who took the mess the boomers left us, and set it on fire.

Its unfortant that so many people prefer free stuff to actually being free.

 

[Terthna]

Its unfortant that so many people prefer free stuff to actually being free.

Things would be so much simpler if it were just that; but people don't even seem to care about the promise of free stuff. They just want to know that "their side" is winning.

 

[Arlos]

So the situation is still salvageable. Macron will need to institute reforms to turn things around. Any ideas what to suggest?

EU delenda est. Thats a necessary, but far from sufficient part. With such a bureaucratic colossus highly intertwined into every smallest aspect of agriculture, pushing through good reforms would be practically impossible.

This, amongst other things.
Macron intent to help them out is dubious at best on top of that, when they find alternative to stuff like Monsanto products, it get shut down as « unlawful » and «untested » with no sign of it reappearing any time soon, he also made trade deal with countries that produce cheap, definitely not up to french regulations(that French Farmers have to follow) foodstuff in order to flood the market.
His mouth say one thing, but his action say he is a big supporter of mega-corporation, which is really the only position he doesn’t flop on depending on how it would benefit him.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

the strong backs are gone, the tax dividends shrink and raiding the peoples savings is a trick that maybe works once. The fincial tide for most of the world is one with fewer workers, fewer tax payers and less money.

They will just sieze the money they need without concern for the future effects. And when this damages the economy, they will double down on white supremacy conspiracy theories to keep the intersectional alliance intact. Will it last forever? nope. But there there is enough wealth to be looted by the victors of the culture war to last for a couple of generations.

 

[Tryglaw]

This, amongst other things.
Macron intent to help them out is dubious at best on top of that, when they find alternative to stuff like Monsanto products, it get shut down as « unlawful » and «untested » with no sign of it reappearing any time soon, he also made trade deal with countries that produce cheap, definitely not up to french regulations(that French Farmer have to follow) foodstuff in order to flood the market.
His mouth say one thing, but his action say he is a big supporter of mega-corporation, which is really the only position he doesn’t flop on depending on how it would benefit him.

IIRC Macron is a bank(st)er who worked for the Rothschilds prior to his "appointment" to president.
Him being pro-megacorp and screw the poor should not come as a surprise...

 

[JagerIV]

This, amongst other things.
Macron intent to help them out is dubious at best on top of that, when they find alternative to stuff like Monsanto products, it get shut down as « unlawful » and «untested » with no sign of it reappearing any time soon, he also made trade deal with countries that produce cheap, definitely not up to french regulations(that French Farmers have to follow) foodstuff in order to flood the market.
His mouth say one thing, but his action say he is a big supporter of mega-corporation, which is really the only position he doesn’t flop on depending on how it would benefit him.

Yeah, anyone who trusts Macron is a fool. They were a fool several years ago when they voted for the obvious spare tire of the establishment as some sort of anti establishment person. Then again, when the anti establishment in France was Le Pen, I can see the hesitation plunging over the edge.

 

[Deleted member]

Why not just send them to Africa at that point? No more "historically oppressed"-eternally disadvantaged populations in the US, and plenty of cheap land with development opportunities over there. Just as feasible as land seizures.

Poorer immigrants have come and overcome harsher conditions, and established capital and familial wealth, and not devastate and destroy cities like Baltimore and Detroit. Chasing the wealth, and destroying it with crime, high preference, and poor work ethic.

Lets not have them destroy our farmlands too, we've seen what happened in Zimbabwe.

African Americans are US Citizens enjoying the full protection of our laws. They’ve also been part of an organised state society for centuries so assuming they will “ruin” our farms like uneducated tribalists did in Zimbabwe seems more founded on a perception you have of their level of civilisation rather than any kind of valid assessment. To put it mildly.

 

[Marduk]

African Americans are US Citizens enjoying the full protection of our laws. They’ve also been part of an organised state society for centuries so assuming they will “ruin” our farms like uneducated tribalists did in Zimbabwe seems more founded on a perception you have of their level of civilisation rather than any kind of valid assessment. To put it mildly.

Nah, its just a simple analysis of the real circumstances.
There is no massive surplus of young, urban, black Americans who dream every day about owning a business, and agricultural one at that, moving to rural areas, and spending every hour of free time learning all the related skills and saving every possible dollar in hope that one day they will be able to afford a farm. If there was one, we would be certainly hearing of such a subculture among them, and we would be hearing about how all these urban youths who used to love rap and basketball now have turned their entertainment interests towards Farming Simulator 19.

So, who's going to take part in this program? The obvious set of takers are going to be low level politicians, activists and city officials who have certain competence in doing paperwork, using media for own benefit and playing the race card, yet struggle to properly utilize these skills in their own communities due to the sheer amount of competition from their peers.
Unfortunately such skills are vastly insufficient to run a successful farm. They may be however sufficient to get a bunch of free real estate and play funny business with it.

Can shady bureaucrats run farms? Well... We have plenty of examples of them doing so, directly or not so much, across whole Europe, but while they can do it, they rarely do it in a good or, even merely financially profitable way. Assuming they are even trying to.
If you want to see examples of mind-boggling relationships between agricultural lobbies small and big, politicians, hip new ideologies, and financial aid, you don't even need to look beyond the "famously" civilized and lawful EU.

 

[Doomsought]

Well, going by how it works for the Appalachians, the only way for a poor farmer to really get cash out of their crop is by turning it into alcohol. Of course poor urban blacks, just like Appalachians, will not have the ability to get the licensing to make their brews legal.

Or they will just make meth, because the profit margin is higher. Tabacco isn't really an option anymore, and hemp would be easy to take care of but is also illegal.

Isn't it funny how many cash crops are illegal or heavily licensed.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Its going to suck, but no one wanted to do reforms and so we are going to hit the wall at full speed.

They aren't even hard reforms to make as well.

You want to fix demographics? Stop taxing people to the hilt, bring down house prices, and the human instinct to procreate will do the rest.

You want to rein in debt? Stop blowing hundreds of billions of dollars/pounds on social programs that don't work and carry out some serious reassessment of government reach and spending.

 

[Julio92]

African Americans are US Citizens enjoying the full protection of our laws. They’ve also been part of an organised state society for centuries so assuming they will “ruin” our farms like uneducated tribalists did in Zimbabwe seems more founded on a perception you have of their level of civilisation rather than any kind of valid assessment. To put it mildly.

Blacks are consummate urbanites, oft those with the lowest agency of the bunch, they show the highest rates of capital destruction, and demonstrate a tremendous lack of time preference with their crime rates. I think it is completely fair to say that if they were to actually manage and operate the farmlands of America, their success would be very limited at best, and lay waste to millions of acres at worst. They are perpetual discontents in a non-black society, and would surely blame this result upon whomever else but themselves, the white man, racism, the government oppressing them, or what have you.

The more likely scenario is some huckstering parasite financier from New York sees all these blacks with no propensity, and no will to farm lands that they have no knowledge of, comes along and asks his friends in the banking industries -- or perhaps the government -- to tender him a loan to buy the land deeds off of these disinterested, unwilling "landowning farmers", and sell or rent it to agricultural corporations. In effect, a wealth transfer from the tiny remaining yeomanry of the American nation, to the parasitical, and the indolent classes. This ruining not just the texture of life of the farmlands, but also destroying the tattered remains of the American social contract we still have today.

 

[Bacle]

Well, going by how it works for the Appalachians, the only way for a poor farmer to really get cash out of their crop is by turning it into alcohol. Of course poor urban blacks, just like Appalachians, will not have the ability to get the licensing to make their brews legal.

Or they will just make meth, because the profit margin is higher. Tabacco isn't really an option anymore, and hemp would be easy to take care of but is also illegal.

Isn't it funny how many cash crops are illegal or heavily licensed.

Actually hemp is completely legal now, as is CBD products, due to an Ag bill a few years back.

So even in states without legal weed, you can legally grow hemp for commercial/industrial purposes.

You just need to make sure you get certified seeds that don't break the THC percentage barrier.

 

[JagerIV]

African Americans are US Citizens enjoying the full protection of our laws. They’ve also been part of an organised state society for centuries so assuming they will “ruin” our farms like uneducated tribalists did in Zimbabwe seems more founded on a perception you have of their level of civilisation rather than any kind of valid assessment. To put it mildly.

I mean, I would expect the uneducated tribalists to do better, having some experience of living off the land and an understanding of weather, plants, and livestock.

And I mean, someone who can work a full time minimum wage is above the poverty level. Your expecting me to believe people who are too personally dysfunctional to consistently work a minimum wage job are going to become expert farmers, a far more difficult job which will likely pay less than working minimum wage?

So, if subsistence farmers in Zimbabwe couldn't make the leap to being functional commercial farmers, why do you expect doped up video game players who survive by leaching off their girlfriend for weed and rent will succeed? And, when all these people's much hardier grandparent left their southern farms because being a farmer sucked compared to living in a bloody 19th century city, why do you think the much softer current generation accustomed to the much softer and gentler 21st century cities will stay on the farms?

Basically every attempt to "return to the land" failed. I had a professor who grew up in Communist Romania. When communism ended, her family decided to make use of their new freedom to buy land and start a farm, liking the idea of it compared to being intellectuals in small apartments in the city. So, they bought a blot of land, already existing farmland that had been in use the year before. They were smart, well educated family of functional people. They tried it one year, failed to grow anything, and moved back to their life of urban white collar work, because that was so much easier and more rewarding in 1990s Romania than trying to farm.

 

[Lanmandragon]

I fully support this legislation as a necessary and critical step in creating a black yeomanry to counteract the negative effects of the ghettos. We had land grants for decades, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with this and the claim it’s somehow linked to land seizures isn’t remotely supported.

That's naive as hell where does this land come from huh? Its sure not going to be uniwneed land if you think it is your delusional. They'll seize people's land to give it to other people

Why not just send them to Africa at that point? No more "historically oppressed"-eternally disadvantaged populations in the US, and plenty of cheap land with development opportunities over there. Just as feasible as land seizures.

Poorer immigrants have come and overcome harsher conditions, and established capital and familial wealth, and not devastate and destroy cities like Baltimore and Detroit. Chasing the wealth, and destroying it with crime, high preference, and poor work ethic.

Lets not have them destroy our farmlands too, we've seen what happened in Zimbabwe.

Because we have guns to and aren't leaving? This is our country to bro weve been here longer then many many whites. So tell you what me and mine will go to Africa when you and yours go to Europe.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

That's naive as hell where does this land come from huh? Its sure not going to be uniwneed land if you think it is your delusional. They'll seize people's land to give it to other people

I think they might make people sell it at a very low price

Same with other things, like say, your guns

One “incentive” would be NOT being arrested for all of these “crimes” which were all “recently discovered”

Eventually the USA becomes dependent on imports of food from other nations as other parts of the rurals are shut down. Ranging from oil, mining, woodcutting, fishing, hunting and so on, all those products will come from overseas.

More expensive to buy from another country than your own, but you won’t have much of a choice

 

[Arch Dornan]

Why not just send them to Africa at that point? No more "historically oppressed"-eternally disadvantaged populations in the US, and plenty of cheap land with development opportunities over there. Just as feasible as land seizures.

Those that did take up the offer went to Liberia and the rest stayed because they decided they're more American than African which is true.

 

[Doomsought]

Eventually the USA becomes dependent on imports of food from other nations as other parts of the rurals are shut down. Ranging from oil, mining, woodcutting, fishing, hunting and so on, all those products will come from overseas.

That would affect Global food prices, since America is a new Exporter of food, trading staples for delicacies.

 

[Battlestar]

Land seizures are not nice.