Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[lloyd007]

No utilities support. No free education for relatives. No pension or payouts to family. Not even a much meme'd Lada?

State just paid for basic funeral costs (not full funeral costs), a bunch of flowers and a local government official offering a boilerplate speech about what a hero he was. Funeral lasted two hours only because there were more military funerals to take place that day.

Truly a patriot, selling his life for such a paltry sum to defend the Motherland...

He was just pure untrained and unprepared cannon fodder if Russian Dude's recounting is even half accurate. The tragic thing is he'd probably have been much better off if he'd been waylaid by Prigozhin / Wagner and at least gotten some training because Wagner needs some utility out of him before being shipped off to probably Bakhmut to fight and die rather than just dying.

You can read my previous posts on how the Kremlin DNGAF about its soldiers, never has and never will... and this story is just more proof of that... still makes me want to spit though at the way they stripped him of all respect and dignity...

 

[Jormungandr]

I just feel sorry for his wife and kids. They're a widow/fatherless because of Russian military "doctrine", if you can call it that.

Also, reminder that "Bakhmut will fall any day now".

 

[Lord Sovereign]

All this futile slaughter for Putin's ego. Really does boil one's piss.

 

[ATP]

All this futile slaughter for Putin's ego. Really does boil one's piss.

Not futile,if he keep power.Or at least his cronies.
Becouse KGBstan fight now not for taking Ukraine,but keeping power over Russia.If they widraw from all stolen territories,somebody would remove them.

All steppe tradition - khagan must deliver spolis,or else.

 

[Husky_Khan]

So, there are rumours that Zaluzhny is either dead, or on critical life support after a missile strike on May 8. Anyone wanna bet that Ukraine will soon create to narrative that he was assassinated to cover his death?

Turns out it was Paternity Leave.



The West has already turned the Ukrainian Elite well beyond gay. He/Him gave birth to a non-binary.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Ukrainian sources have been reporting for the past hour that the Russians destroyed or damaged the Nova Kakhovka Dam on the Dnipro River north of Kherson City.







If true widespread flooding will occur on both sides of the River as the large reservoir is drained. This'll also potentially affect the water supply to the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant and water supplies to Crimea and Southern Ukraine in general.

After repeated silence/denials Russian Media is also stating the Dam has been damaged, blaming either accidents/neglect or "terrorism."



From October 2022.

Why would the russians blow up their own dam? lol. The Ukrainians are the ones who have repeatedly attacked it.

 

[Marduk]

Why would the russians blow up their own dam? lol. The Ukrainians are the ones who have repeatedly attacked it.

Perhaps because they expect a counteroffensive downstream and making the terrain near the river into a muddy mess will make defending against it easier?

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Perhaps because they expect a counteroffensive downstream and making the terrain near the river into a muddy mess will make defending against it easier?

What counteroffensive downstream? Ukraine might make a small lodgement, but it in no way could support it logistically for long and both sides know this. They most certainly could not make an amphibious landing large enough to take and hold a beachhead for long enough to move over a proper invasion.

Russia controlled actual bridges and could not properly support its forces in Kherson.

Russia could have just opened up the dam more if it wanted to flood the area.

 

[Buba]

Perhaps because they expect a counteroffensive downstream and making the terrain near the river into a muddy mess will make defending against it easier?

Aren't the Ukrainias already across the river downstream of the dam? As in having liberate Kherson?
Maps, good people, are your FRIEND!

 

[Marduk]

What counteroffensive downstream? Ukraine might make a small lodgement, but it in no way could support it logistically for long and both sides know this. They most certainly could not make an amphibious landing large enough to take and hold a beachhead for long enough to move over a proper invasion.

Russia controlled actual bridges and could not properly support its forces in Kherson.

Russia could have just opened up the dam more if it wanted to flood the area.

Not if they want to blame it on Ukrainians, and not if they expect to lose it soon.
And your confidence in Russian military is touching, but not convincing.

Aren't the Ukrainias already across the river downstream of the dam? As in having liberate Kherson?
Maps, good people, are your FRIEND!

Only small pockets. And fucking up their crossings with a flood wave and logistics with them is another reason.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Not if they want to blame it on Ukrainians, and not if they expect to lose it soon.
And your confidence in Russian military is touching, but not convincing.

Only small pockets. And fucking up their crossings with a flood wave and logistics with them is another reason.

They didnt expect to lose it soon and there are no signs the Ukrainians could take it.

 

[Marduk]

They didnt expect to lose it soon and there are no signs the Ukrainians could take it.

We shall see...

 

[Bacle]

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Why would the russians blow up their own dam? lol. The Ukrainians are the ones who have repeatedly attacked it.

I would point out that it is undisputed that Russian forces already demolished part of the bridge deck and jammed all the sluice gates open when they retreated in November 2022, and the Russians *have* been consistently targeting dams in their long range missile attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

I would point out that it is undisputed that Russian forces already demolished part of the bridge deck and jammed all the sluice gates open when they retreated in November 2022, and the Russians *have* been consistently targeting dams in their long range missile attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure.

If the Russians for some baffling reason wanted to flood the area they would have just opened the sluiceways. Ukraine had no way of launching and sustaining a mass amphibious attack across the river and both sides knew it. No, i think the dam was weakened by Ukrainian shelling and it broke when the reservoir was filled up.

 

[lloyd007]

If the Russians for some baffling reason wanted to flood the area they would have just opened the sluiceways. Ukraine had no way of launching and sustaining a mass amphibious attack across the river and both sides knew it. No, i think the dam was weakened by Ukrainian shelling and it broke when the reservoir was filled up.

Russians had control of the sluice gates, they held them open for months leading to the reservoir being at record lows in April then closed them such that the water level was at a record high as of yesterday.

So that leaves four plausible options (in descending order of probability to me) since AFAICT, there are no videos out to the public that show the minutes before the dam failed and the actual moment(s) of failure.

1. Russians intentionally breached the dam at a record high level to prevent any offensive crossing of the Dnipro and damn all other consequences.

2. Russian recklessness in operating the dam combined with the damage it had already taken leading to its failure. Ukraine does share some blame in striking the dam during the Kherson offensive.

3. Ukraine intentionally breached the dam for reasons that seemed good as of yesterday. I consider this the Huayuankou Dike Breach option.

4. The dam failed due to an underlying structural problem that would've broken it around this time regardless of whether there was a war or not.

 

[paulobrito]

1 - they could have opened said sluice gates, no need to destroy the dam for that. Only Urk needs that.

 

[lloyd007]

1 - they could have opened said sluice gates, no need to destroy the dam for that. Only Urk needs that.

They had the sluice gates wide open for months before they closed them, there's only so much water that can pass through them.

 

[Zachowon]

Russians had control of the sluice gates, they held them open for months leading to the reservoir being at record lows in April then closed them such that the water level was at a record high as of yesterday.

So that leaves four plausible options (in descending order of probability to me) since AFAICT, there are no videos out to the public that show the minutes before the dam failed and the actual moment(s) of failure.

1. Russians intentionally breached the dam at a record high level to prevent any offensive crossing of the Dnipro and damn all other consequences.

2. Russian recklessness in operating the dam combined with the damage it had already taken leading to its failure. Ukraine does share some blame in striking the dam during the Kherson offensive.

3. Ukraine intentionally breached the dam for reasons that seemed good as of yesterday. I consider this the Huayuankou Dike Breach option.

4. The dam failed due to an underlying structural problem that would've broken it around this time regardless of whether there was a war or not.

The 4th one it literally can not be. The rest are plausible but tje first sounds best

 

[The Whispering Monk]

1 - they could have opened said sluice gates, no need to destroy the dam for that. Only Urk needs that.

Also, video clearly shows the dam is 'blown' in the middle, not sluice gates being open. Other parts are obviously suffering from structural failure.