If Ukraine takes it over, sluice gates can be closed... unless they don't exist.
Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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@AnimalNoodles "Kherson will fall any day now."
And, no, we're not going to let you live that down, you fucking vatnik.
And, no, we're not going to let you live that down, you fucking vatnik.
Opening the sluice gates does not produce nearly as big an opening as actually blowing the dam, which the Russians are well-aware of from already trying that last year.
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
the russians tried to blow up their own dam? lol suuuure they did. Just like they blew up nordstream and issued viagra to thier soldiers to rape ukrainian women with.
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
This from someone who's been simping for the Russians as a shill since this whole mess began.
And nobody was even talking about the multiple cases of rape of Ukrainian women by Russians, but since YOU did:
Rape used in Ukraine as a Russian 'military strategy:' UN
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www.france24.com
Ukraine: Apparent War Crimes in Russia-Controlled Areas
Human Rights Watch has documented several cases of Russian military forces committing laws-of-war violations against civilians in occupied areas of the Chernihiv, Kharkiv, and Kyiv regions of Ukraine.
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The Kremlin has been accused of terrorising Ukrainians with sexual violence systematically – and known reports are the 'tip of the iceberg'
www.telegraph.co.uk
United Nations: Rape Is Part Of Russia’s Military Strategy
On October 13, Pramila Patten, Indicated that rape is part of Russia,s “military strategy” and a “deliberate tactic to dehumanize the victims.”
www.forbes.com
UN panel reports Ukrainian children have been raped, tortured by Russian forces
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thehill.com
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
I never claimed individual soldiers werent committing acts of rape. i mocked the ridiculous claims that russians were literally being issued viagra by the russian army in order to help them rape ukrainian women.
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
The claim of Russians being issued viagra does in fact sound silly. However, the claims of multiple Ukrainians being raped by Russians does not.
Megadeath
Well-known member
Your reading comprehension is just as bad as your power of prediction. The post you were replying to said they'd tried opening the sluice gates already. Idiot.
paulobrito
Well-known member
If the Russians indeed want to blow said dam, they wait for Ukr forces to be in the area, to immobilize/damage them, and finish said forces with arty, not before.
Doing it right now is illogical.
They could have, and then when they lose control of the dam, the Ukrainians simply close the sluice gates, and while it takes some time to recover from that, it is not as difficult as having to repair a dam before they can even begin any other kind of effort.
Because the Ukrainians are not going to focus an assault of doing a large scale water crossing like that.....
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
The chances of that happening are vanishingly small and both sides know it.
Ukraines current ground offensive has accomplished little and is stuck in the so-called 'crumple zone' with considerable losses and was unable to even the reach the first lines of real defenses. How exactly will they take the dam? It was never in any danger of falling.
Ukraine is also unable to mount any serious and sustained attack across the dnipro and both sides know it. landing small numbers of troops on boggy islands only to have them blown up by artillery does not count. Russia was on no real threat from that side.
Completely logical in order to stall/halt the Ukrainian offensive across a wide region. It's Russia that's playing for time now.
Video I've seen is not, "Sluice gates open." It's "Sluice gates are gone, and add'l portions of the dam are collapsing."
Megadeath
Well-known member
It's amazing that you can write with such self assured confidence when you've been wrong about almost every claim or prediction you've previously made on this conflict, and in fact have no special knowledge the rest of us don't. Probably less, given your inability to correctly parse simple English. Don't you get tired of being wrong?
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
lol,
I have been wrong about many things. I admit that.
But..so has everyone else. like the people who predicted Ukraine would be in crimea by the spring, or that russia was running out of X. Or that the sudden advances into largely evacuated areas were signs that the Ukrainians were ready the drive out the russians. We are all speaking from ignorance here.
I have maintained since this got serious that
1) the russians are targetting the Ukrainian army, not waging a maneuver war yet.
2) the Russian doctrine is to abandon positions that are untenable and simply trade space
3) Russia is growing in strength and Ukraine is getting weaker.
4) Ukraine is taking far larger casualties
And I am right. the minutae of arrows back and forth across muddy fields is less important than those things.
Anyways, If you can tell me how the ukrainians can launch a sustained amphibious invasion across the dnipro, im waiting for it.
The only place i think they can make actual lasting gains ATM is around soledar and Bakhmut where the Ukrainians are putting a great deal of pressure right now. And if the Russian determine the position is untenable they will simply evacuate and shell it as per Russian doctrine laid out by Gerasimov.
"Bakhmut will fall any day now."
Listen, I rarely take the piss out of people directly because I'm not that kinda guy and I get along with almost everyone here, but hearing you, a fucking vatnik, spout this shit is hilarious.
You're either being paid or you're just this fucking retarded. If you're being paid, you need to ask for a raise. If it's the latter... well... "you can't fix stupid".
I will say this.
You are further wrong then you can possibly imagine.
And gerisomov is an idiot
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
The only thing as harebrained as "I'm in favour of current thing" is "I'm against current thing."
It's cynicism mutating into utterly self destructive knee jerking.
It's cynicism mutating into utterly self destructive knee jerking.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
All of these things are contradicted by the actual facts on the ground.
1. The Russians repeatedly and habitually target civilian infrastructure with their missile strikes. Further, they were very clearly trying to engage in maneuver warfare in the opening stages, before it became abundantly clear they were too incompetent to actually pull it off.
2. The Russians have retreated in complete chaos multiple times, the one around Kharkiv being particularly notable for how they left behind ridiculous amounts of war material for the Ukrainians to capture.
3. Literally only Russian propaganda supports this. We have hard reliable data on the amount of war material that is being fed to the Ukrainians, as well as tens of thousands of their soldiers being trained by western nations. Every report from people not on the payroll of the Russian government is constantly describing how incredibly incompetent the Russian mobilization efforts have been, poor or nonexistent training, people's lives being thrown away in incompetently planned attacks, etc, etc.
4. Again, only Russian propaganda supports this. Western intelligence suggests the Russians are taking notably higher casualties, and Open Source Intelligence supports it. Like any war, reasonably precise numbers will not become clear until after the fact, and reasonable margins of error could have the casualties being suffered at similar levels, but no credible source says the Russians are clearly coming out ahead.
Bottom line, the only way your four claims make any sense, is if you only accept Russian government-approved sources as reliable, and treat all others as unreliable propaganda.
Given that we know by the Russians own past internal corruption reports that endemic lying is fully institutionalized in their military culture, that's a hell of a position to take.