United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread

[King Arts]

Meh, a hold on evictions isn't a bad idea. Otherwise the government will have to deal with many more homeless. That's something we want to prevent. The problem that led to this is that many state governments put restrictions on businesses that made them close and now those people don't have money to pay rent. First off those business restrictions should not have been put into place, but now that they have the thing to do is get a moratorium for a while and get those people to have new jobs, and then lift the moratorium, but they should basically wipe the slate clean so all past due rent owed is taken away. Because even with a new job if someone hasn't been paying rent for 6 months or more they won't be able to catch up. Rome suffered a similar problem before, rich landlords hogging all the land. The thing to do is to ensure most citizens own their homes and aren't leasing it from someone else.

 

[Typhonis]

I'm just wondering if all those landlords could file a class action lawsuit against the Executive branch for damages received and lively hoods stolen? I mean it is by executive order so.....

 

[Abhishekm]

Well what are you on about then?

Every peaceful means to counter this is being pursued to some success. The only step up from here is direct armed rebellion.

As has been said, it takes a shit ton to get people to take up arms against their own countrymen. Things have to go absolutely catastrophically wrong, and we haven't hit that point yet.

Might be a case of miscommunication here. My point is comments about Revolution and Civil War and the like and 'this far no more' statements tend to be big word little action statements. A learned response from people duped into the modern day cliche of using grand words that honestly have no place there to cover up a token response.

That and I say people give too much of a damn about others opinions. To the point this threads half way to a Trump derangement syndrome esque fallacy at some points.

Because compromise is what got us to this point.

See that? This here, thats part of it. Who is asking people to compromise and who is going along with it exactly?

Maybe post news or messages about peoples honest opinions about this or pending cases or reactions instead of trying to spin it as one more step into a never happening civil war 2.0.

Because its kinda obvious nowhere near enough people in the present day first world would have the stomach for it if it did come to it. So stop fetishising it already.

 

[Abhishekm]

I'm just wondering if all those landlords could file a class action lawsuit against the Executive branch for damages received and lively hoods stolen? I mean it is by executive order so.....

See this is a good statement. Considering a possible real consequence and what could come of it. Maybe talk about likely petitions and potential recall requests this could spark or the equivalent in state policies. maybe. Talk about Real Consequences to Real People and growing awareness of the same maybe.

And yes, its been a year and public opinion is turing more and more sour. Obviously not to a clear majority as of yet because 'them poor hords a year and a half behind on their rent and no backups or second plans'. Whatever will they do when something that was called unconstitutional since day 1 and somehow got salt porked along for over a year finally lapses or something.

It would be astronomically unlikely the bigger rental business haven't had cases being prepared from week 2 for this. The real question is will the likely group cases for small and individual home or room renters be let through and given the publicity they would deserve in a non-censored press or will worried parties apply more pork to the right 'Judges' to kick them from the docked fast enough.

 

[DarthOne]

Indian. And meme opinion on this all is "you get what you f*ing deserve". Just real sick of those 'but if this happens THEN that will be too far'. Because really, lines in the sand only matter when you stand by them.

Fair points.

 

[Zachowon]

Always with the passive acceptance or full civil war bit. Really Sovereign are you actually THAT committed to the idea that the only options are passive aggressive language or mortal combat?

Even then I wouldn't really mind that idea if it wasn't for the constant 'hurdur THAT would be the LAST STRAW, no wait THATS the last straw stuff'. Its as denigrating to see the 'To war!' or 'This marks the end of civilization' crowds as it is to see this.

Because armed revolt is a last course

 

[hyperspacewizard]

they should basically wipe the slate clean so all past due rent owed is taken away. Because even with a new job if someone hasn't been paying rent for 6 months or more they won't be able to catch up. Rome suffered a similar problem before, rich landlords hogging all the land. The thing to do is to ensure most citizens own their homes and aren't leasing it from someone else.

Your advocating for theft those landlords are not some super rich class of people they have to pay taxes bills and other crap too to compare landlords in America to Rome is crazy those are hugely different situations

 

[Abhishekm]

Because armed revolt is a last course

Assuming you skimmed I'll say it again. Its a 'never happening' resort because its obvious whatever it would take to make western people grow that much of a spine would kill you first. So people should stop wanking themselves off trying to convince others thats something they are even capable of anymore instead of talking about things you still have the capability of doing.

 

[Zachowon]

Assuming you skimmed I'll say it again. Its a 'never happening' resort because its obvious whatever it would take to make western people grow that much of a spine would kill you first. So people should stop wanking themselves off trying to convince others thats something they are even capable of anymore instead of talking about things you still have the capability of doing.

There is a line in the sand.
It is only reached when it is the last option

 

[Vaermina]

Meh, a hold on evictions isn't a bad idea. Otherwise the government will have to deal with many more homeless. That's something we want to prevent. The problem that led to this is that many state governments put restrictions on businesses that made them close and now those people don't have money to pay rent. First off those business restrictions should not have been put into place, but now that they have the thing to do is get a moratorium for a while and get those people to have new jobs, and then lift the moratorium, but they should basically wipe the slate clean so all past due rent owed is taken away. Because even with a new job if someone hasn't been paying rent for 6 months or more they won't be able to catch up. Rome suffered a similar problem before, rich landlords hogging all the land. The thing to do is to ensure most citizens own their homes and aren't leasing it from someone else.

Takings Clause, the US government literally can't do that.

 

[Abhishekm]

There is a line in the sand.
It is only reached when it is the last option

Yes, which is why calling everything a line in the sand and then doing nothing about it makes it look like a farce. So tone down the language to things you are willing to walk the walk on.

 

[Zachowon]

Yes, which is why calling everything a line in the sand and then doing nothing about it makes it look like a farce. So tone down the language to things you are willing to walk the walk on.

Oh i know my limit.
It hasn't been reached yet, and we arnt close.
Everyone has a limit they are willing to go at.
None have been reached

 

[Robovski]

This was always the problem with the moratorium, the bill comes due eventually. Someone living paycheck to paycheck is never going to repay a year of back rent. Landlords need their income from their property and are due their rent eventually. Making it illegal to collect the rent or evict the Tennant while leaving the landlord responsible for the property and tax on it is all kinds of wrong. Does the government bail out the whole thing? Doesn't seem like they are going to, so do you end up with a mass of homeless who owe a lot of rent, Tennant's who owe a lot of rent, or pissed off landlords who never get paid for their property? It's not fair any way you slice it.

 

[Abhishekm]

This was always the problem with the moratorium, the bill comes due eventually. Someone living paycheck to paycheck is never going to repay a year of back rent. Landlords need their income from their property and are due their rent eventually. Making it illegal to collect the rent or evict the Tennant while leaving the landlord responsible for the property and tax on it is all kinds of wrong. Does the government bail out the whole thing? Doesn't seem like they are going to, so do you end up with a mass of homeless who owe a lot of rent, Tennant's who owe a lot of rent, or pissed off landlords who never get paid for their property? It's not fair any way you slice it.

Its utterly fair for the people who did not stay current of their payments or make alternative preparations over the course of a year to not be bailed out at the expense of people who in some cases have suffered them for upto a year already. It barely even constitutes the bare mininum of fair for the other side.

 

[Chaos Marine]

 

[Robovski]

Its utterly fair for the people who did not stay current of their payments or make alternative preparations over the course of a year to not be bailed out at the expense of people who in some cases have suffered them for upto a year already. It barely even constitutes the bare mininum of fair for the other side.

A lot of people were forced out of work. They were never going to be able to pay for housing they then were not required to leave and will now also not be able to pay back. This is a consequence of the lockdown, and a stupid short sighted plan that now we are left trying to clean up and finding out who gets stuck with the bill. Tennants? Landlords? The government? It certainly won't be the idiots who thought this up in the first place, and if the government then we all pay, again. There is no good outcome to this terrible plan we have been stuck with.

 

[Jormungandr]

Yup: He's becoming more of a dictator/Fuhrer than he is a President, or even El Presidente, every day.

 

[Abhishekm]

A lot of people were forced out of work. They were never going to be able to pay for housing they then were not required to leave and will now also not be able to pay back. This is a consequence of the lockdown, and a stupid short sighted plan that now we are left trying to clean up and finding out who gets stuck with the bill. Tennants? Landlords? The government? It certainly won't be the idiots who thought this up in the first place, and if the government then we all pay, again. There is no good outcome to this terrible plan we have been stuck with.

A 600 dollar boost to unemployment benefits through the lockdown. 2000 in extra unconditional money. Not paying the rent. That and going somewhere else if they were in one of the holes that didn't loosen restrictions by the new year. A literal workers economy with a shortage of applications. If all that still was not enough for them to atleast have a backup plan for this then it was always an eventually that they would be homeless.

April to August people drank the kool aid. Now they live with it. Objectively speaking these failures at life received more in benefits and direct monetary injections over this train wreck than the middle middle class in two thirds of the world's countries earn in the best year of their lives.

Edit: Correction 3200 dollars in extra unconditional money.

 

[Vaermina]

The problem of course being the court response is going to be really really harsh.

 

[Typhonis]

The tweet isn't showing up to me. What does it say?