Terthna
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Not to the degree it is in Japan; there, you're expected to go out drinking with them every single night. Fail to show up even once, and it's taken as a personal insult.
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bintananth
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Only if you're salaried instead of hourly and it doesn't include nightly drunken pub crawls with the boss or "you can't go home until your boss does" in my experience. It's more like "we need 55hrs instead of 40hrs" or "we need to shmooze a client".
No manager likes signing off on paying people time-and-a-half unless it's a holiday or an emergency and someone has to be there.
Bassoe
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And why on earth would Ukrainian men willingly go along with any of this just because "Ukrainian women will find replacements"? Remember when "the objective of the war is to genocide all Ukrainian men, leaving a whole country of desperately poor eastern European women open for colonization" was considered a conspiracy theory?
The thing is, though, that the decision whether or not to continue the war is up to Russia. Russia can exit Ukraine at any time, thus ending this war. If Russia wants a long war, then that's what it's going to get, but it will be Russia's choice and the West and Ukraine simply reacting to this Russian choice.
People don't want to see their country go extinct, as a general rule.
Bassoe
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I'd accept that if the Ukrainian goverment put their money where your mouth is and abolished mandatory conscription, giving their young men a choice between "fight for your country and probably die pointlessly since even united, you don't have the numbers or firepower to actually win" and "stay home and just trade one pseudo-democracy ruled by a bunch of corrupt oligarchs for another".
Like as not, this remains the iconic image of the Ukrainian war, lower-class Ukrainian men being thrown into a meatgrinder blatantly against their will.
Like as not, this remains the iconic image of the Ukrainian war, lower-class Ukrainian men being thrown into a meatgrinder blatantly against their will.
Would you have said the same thing for the Soviet Union during World War II?
Bassoe
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Yes, obviously, although they had a better argument since the nazi intention towards civilians in captured territory was openly genocidal, whereas as far as I can tell, if Ukraine just surrendered, the only practical difference would be to whom they were paying taxes/protection money.
Russia wants to eliminate Ukrainians as a separate nation and deny their country the opportunity to join the European Union and NATO.
Bassoe
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...and genociding the entire Ukrainian male population while the Ukrainian female population flees abroad and marries foreigners isn't going to do this?
Why on earth would we want them in NATO? The whole point of NATO is basically an agreement that the United States will start WW3 if any of the other countries in it get attacked, inviting in a country which is actively being attacked would be specieswide suicide.
No, because the Ukrainian nation will survive through its females. Their children will be half-Ukrainian genetically (and the other half will be genetically close Eastern Europeans) while being largely or fully culturally Ukrainian.
Well, why exactly do we want the Baltics in NATO? Or Finland and Sweden? The point of NATO is to prevent war by making the risk of escalation too high. And in any case, Russia did not stop there but also wanted to have the West end all military cooperation with Ukraine. And EU membership for Ukraine is even more important, though obviously it's also a while away.
Floridaman
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Nightly no, monthly yes.
Floridaman
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You do realize the nation as a genetic concept is a pile of crap.... if people want to fight let them, and if they don't let them.
bintananth
behind a desk
I can handle losing the ocassional weekend, staying till midnight or later just before a deadine, attending a cocktail party and picking up the bartab*, or gods forbid ... playing a round of golf*. I get paid to be on call for that if necessary. Japanese salarymen don't get paid extra for that.
* These gets expensed and I get reimbursed.
mrttao
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important for what? accelerating the collapse of the Evil Union?
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
You didn't need to quote me. I wasn't for it and asked how serious he is about it.
Russia is the Nazi empire now.
The actions the Russians have taken thus far say otherwise.Ukrainian womans are not so progressive.They would find regular husbands - and since many polish womans become woke,ukrainian waifu could be preferable for poles now.
And since they are not mad nazis from western Ukraine,too,their children would become good poles.
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Terthna
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Some people think accepting Ukraine into NATO will force the Russians to back down. Others just straight up want WW3; they think it'll be the world against Russia, that it'll be over quickly with minimal casualties, and that MAD will ensure that Russia will never use their nuclear arsenal.
It would stop Russia if they joined NATO.
Because they have shown thay can not face a peer foe
No it wouldn't. It would just escalate and start ww3.