Bidengate in which a meth head son and possible child abuser ruins your political grift

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Fuck the FBI

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Duke Nukem said:
Fuck the FBI

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No, that's probably accurate. Basically, the chain of evidence is screwed as the repair guy held the laptop for so long, and Hunter will get good lawyers. And all that's needed is probable doubt. If they are treating this as a criminal trial, not a political stunt, this was probably the right choice. They'd need more evidence.
 
Zachowon said:
That is a reason why the youtuber Onision can't have a laptop used against him because of someone holding it for too long.

For the criminal trial that is
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Yeah. When I was a juror, I was basically trying to think of any other way the arson could have happened, and all the other ways required something crazy, so I voted to convict. But this is relatively easy: the repair guy could have forged the stuff. That could happen reasonably, so unless the cops were able to prove that didn't happen beyond a reasonable doubt, the laptop means little legally.
 
Abhorsen said:
Yeah. When I was a juror, I was basically trying to think of any other way the arson could have happened, and all the other ways required something crazy, so I voted to convict. But this is relatively easy: the repair guy could have forged the stuff. That could happen reasonably, so unless the cops were able to prove that didn't happen beyond a reasonable doubt, the laptop means little legally.
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That depends on what you are trying to charge.

Establishing it as his laptop is relatively easy if the FBI is serious. It was almost certainly bought with a credit card. Hunter's cellphone location data can be subpoenaed, does it show him at the repair store at any time, especially when the receipt shows it dropped off?

What networks was the laptop connected to and when? Again, traceable information that can be correlated to Hunter Biden's known locations and times.

Once you prove it is his laptop, you pull the drive to look at its serial number. The manufacture of the laptop likely still has the records of what drive went into that computer. At a minimum, it can be traced to the laptop manufacturer or to somewhere else. If you can establish that that drive is the one that was sold installed in the laptop then that helps.

And if you have the harddrive and the computer that its content was allegedly created on, you can prove with a very high degree of probability that the content was generated on that computer. Again, it could be faked but you are generally talking about major nation state levels.

If you can also establish that the alleged criminal content can be corroborated by other sources, the chain of custody probably wouldn't kill a case. For the emails, that is relatively likely to be possible but depends on details that aren't public.

For possible CP, if his niece is actually involved then you could potentially get her to corroborate. But date & time stamps on the video that correlate to cellphone location data for the two of them is also pretty solid. Especially if details in the recordings can be linked to a specific location (i.e., X chair is uncommon and is in Hunter's room or the like).
 
Emperor Tippy said:
That depends on what you are trying to charge.

Establishing it as his laptop is relatively easy if the FBI is serious. It was almost certainly bought with a credit card. Hunter's cellphone location data can be subpoenaed, does it show him at the repair store at any time, especially when the receipt shows it dropped off?

What networks was the laptop connected to and when? Again, traceable information that can be correlated to Hunter Biden's known locations and times.

Once you prove it is his laptop, you pull the drive to look at its serial number. The manufacture of the laptop likely still has the records of what drive went into that computer. At a minimum, it can be traced to the laptop manufacturer or to somewhere else. If you can establish that that drive is the one that was sold installed in the laptop then that helps.

And if you have the harddrive and the computer that its content was allegedly created on, you can prove with a very high degree of probability that the content was generated on that computer. Again, it could be faked but you are generally talking about major nation state levels.

If you can also establish that the alleged criminal content can be corroborated by other sources, the chain of custody probably wouldn't kill a case. For the emails, that is relatively likely to be possible but depends on details that aren't public.

For possible CP, if his niece is actually involved then you could potentially get her to corroborate. But date & time stamps on the video that correlate to cellphone location data for the two of them is also pretty solid. Especially if details in the recordings can be linked to a specific location (i.e., X chair is uncommon and is in Hunter's room or the like).
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The thing is, a lot of that stuff can be messed with. A lot of evidence can be planted on a computer without even having it, having it means a lot more can be put on it.
 
Zachowon said:
The thing is, a lot of that stuff can be messed with. A lot of evidence can be planted on a computer without even having it, having it means a lot more can be put on it.
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Putting content onto a computer isn't the issue. That is easy enough.

Faking the content in the first place so that it can stand up to a deep forensic examination is far more difficult.

Even if you have the appropriate details of the system, it is still a highly specialized project.

Faking an email is easy, faking the metadata is relatively easy. Modifying all of the logs and records that get generated by the computer and are correlated with those emails is far more difficult. Was the browser or email program open on the computer at the time the supposed email was sent? Was it connected to a network at the time? If so, what data was stored at the ISP level on traffic from that network?

A deep fake that will stand up to FBI level forensic examination when the FBI has the HD and the computer that the content on said HD was supposedly generated and accessed on; making a proper fake that will pass muster is incredibly difficult.

And that first requires that you get access to Hunter Biden's laptop not once but on multiple occasions. Because you can't generate the fakes without first having your own forensic level examination of the system. Once you have that, you can generate the faked content, and then you need access to the system again to plant that faked content.

Impossible? No. Incredibly difficult? Yes.
 
As someone who has done computer forensics. Yeah, this is basically a hard break of the chain of custody. Especially since the owner can't definitely say it was even Hunter Biden who brought them in.

If the FBI had siezed these from him directly, or taken the emails from company servers that would be one thing. But this is only really useful since there aren't any other eyewitnesses and the owner didn't save the security tapes.
 
Emperor Tippy said:
Putting content onto a computer isn't the issue. That is easy enough.

Faking the content in the first place so that it can stand up to a deep forensic examination is far more difficult.

Even if you have the appropriate details of the system, it is still a highly specialized project.

Faking an email is easy, faking the metadata is relatively easy. Modifying all of the logs and records that get generated by the computer and are correlated with those emails is far more difficult. Was the browser or email program open on the computer at the time the supposed email was sent? Was it connected to a network at the time? If so, what data was stored at the ISP level on traffic from that network?

A deep fake that will stand up to FBI level forensic examination when the FBI has the HD and the computer that the content on said HD was supposedly generated and accessed on; making a proper fake that will pass muster is incredibly difficult.

And that first requires that you get access to Hunter Biden's laptop not once but on multiple occasions. Because you can't generate the fakes without first having your own forensic level examination of the system. Once you have that, you can generate the faked content, and then you need access to the system again to plant that faked content.

Impossible? No. Incredibly difficult? Yes.
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One could also make the reference that it is not Biden, and even in Court, chain of custody can make or break a case, even if it is something that should not be. If the person who held onto it did that with it...maybe they are hiding something? Perhaps that is why they are doing this. Could it be a hit piece?

lordmcdeath said:
As someone who has done computer forensics. Yeah, this is basically a hard break of the chain of custody. Especially since the owner can't definitely say it was even Hunter Biden who brought them in.

If the FBI had siezed these from him directly, or taken the emails from company servers that would be one thing. But this is only really useful since there aren't any other eyewitnesses and the owner didn't save the security tapes.
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Chain of Custody can destroy a lot of cases
 
The stuff from his business partner is far more likely to standup if proved true. No prosecutor worth his salt is going to want the laptop anywhere near those far more credible allegation. As any defense attorney would use the laptop's suspect nature to help taint the rest of the case.
 
Emperor Tippy said:
Putting content onto a computer isn't the issue. That is easy enough.

Faking the content in the first place so that it can stand up to a deep forensic examination is far more difficult.

Even if you have the appropriate details of the system, it is still a highly specialized project.

Faking an email is easy, faking the metadata is relatively easy. Modifying all of the logs and records that get generated by the computer and are correlated with those emails is far more difficult. Was the browser or email program open on the computer at the time the supposed email was sent? Was it connected to a network at the time? If so, what data was stored at the ISP level on traffic from that network?

A deep fake that will stand up to FBI level forensic examination when the FBI has the HD and the computer that the content on said HD was supposedly generated and accessed on; making a proper fake that will pass muster is incredibly difficult.

And that first requires that you get access to Hunter Biden's laptop not once but on multiple occasions. Because you can't generate the fakes without first having your own forensic level examination of the system. Once you have that, you can generate the faked content, and then you need access to the system again to plant that faked content.

Impossible? No. Incredibly difficult? Yes.
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A few things arguing against this. First, it just has to be reasonable to fake this. Given the guy is a computer repair technician, a good lawyer could easily convince a juror that it is possible to do so. It would be incredibly difficult, but possible. This kills the legal case.
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But now there's other evidence and witnesses to corroborate them; does Chain of Custody for the laptop really matter anymore?
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When all they had was the laptop? Probably yes. Now? Idk.


Also, there's the third factor of the FBI not wanting to be perceived as meddling in an election again on either side for any reason.
 
Zachowon said:
The thing is, a lot of that stuff can be messed with. A lot of evidence can be planted on a computer without even having it, having it means a lot more can be put on it.
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The laptop itself is not at all useful in regards to a trial. As are any documents that you can't corroborate anywhere else. The one exception is any sort of video or photographic evidence that includes Hunter Biden himself. Since it's pretty hard to fake a whole person up close and in HD.
 
Any of the emails/texts which involve any of the people who have already come forward and verified them are now admissable as we will have access to those emails from their end, bypassing any chain of evidence concerns.

Plus knowing now exactly what to look for there should be little concrete to prevent the investigation of any actual crimes by intelligence IT experts who would want to dig further.

The problem is that much of the stuff may not actually constitute a crime per se, its just skeevy as fuck and makes Biden look bad.

If Biden wins then all of this goes away regardless hence the Leftist Propaganda outlets (aka 'mainstream media) running such a fierce defence and trying to suppress all of this information. 60 million votes have already been cast, more than 1/3 of the expected turnout for this election, they just have to suppress it for another week and then it will be too late to dissuade Biden voters.

I do wonder if maybe Team Trump left it too late to release this stuff, not expecting the media to outright launch a blatant cover-up operation for a candidate for President.
 
Abhorsen said:
Also, there's the third factor of the FBI not wanting to be perceived as meddling in an election again on either side for any reason.
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If it was Trump, I doubt they'd care; they just don't want to be seen as going against their masters in the Democrat party.
 
Es Arcanum said:
Any of the emails/texts which involve any of the people who have already come forward and verified them are now admissable as we will have access to those emails from their end, bypassing any chain of evidence concerns.

Plus knowing now exactly what to look for there should be little concrete to prevent the investigation of any actual crimes by intelligence IT experts who would want to dig further.

The problem is that much of the stuff may not actually constitute a crime per se, its just skeevy as fuck and makes Biden look bad.

If Biden wins then all of this goes away regardless hence the Leftist Propaganda outlets (aka 'mainstream media) running such a fierce defence and trying to suppress all of this information. 60 million votes have already been cast, more than 1/3 of the expected turnout for this election, they just have to suppress it for another week and then it will be too late to dissuade Biden voters.

I do wonder if maybe Team Trump left it too late to release this stuff, not expecting the media to outright launch a blatant cover-up operation for a candidate for President.
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If Biden wins, Trump dumps it all into the public domain on whitehouse.gov on the grounds that "the people deserve to know the truth and Biden isn't going to investigate himself". Along with basically everything else damaging about Biden, Obama, and the Democrats more broadly that he can get his hands on.

And his last act before leaving office is going to be to pardon himself, his family, and basically his entire administration for any and all federal crimes that they may or may not have committed in the past four years.

Both are 100% legal for the President to do, and Trump is absolutely enough of an asshole to do the first. As for the second, that one is just plain common sense.
 
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