China Military News

[The Whispering Monk]

What I mean is say, the Philippines fire at these ships and China fires back.
US then gets invovled and China becomes a country with only submarines, but the largest fleet of them

At least until all the bubbles start rising to the surface.

 

[Jormungandr]

Not true.

Option A: Chinese fishermen actions can be easily interpreted and piratical in nature.

Option B: On the flip side of that same coin, they can be seen as state sponsored piracy, thus an Act of War.

China would likely deny them as soon as they were being sunk. They're expendable cats' paws, so really it'd just be seen as the Filipinos sinking a bunch of pirates.

What I mean is say, the Philippines fire at these ships and China fires back.
US then gets invovled and China becomes a country with only submarines, but the largest fleet of them

Chinese submarines are pretty much aging relics. While there is a quality in quantity, it'd be like saying a country has the largest navy compared to other countries' but they're all speedboats/patrol boats.

 

[Zachowon]

China would likely deny them as soon as they were being sunk. They're expendable cats' paws, so really it'd just be seen as the Filipinos sinking a bunch of pirates.

Chinese submarines are pretty much aging relics. While there is a quality in quantity, it'd be like saying a country has the largest navy compared to other countries' but they're all speedboats/patrol boats.

The joke is that all of the Chinese military vessals will be underwater

 

[Jormungandr]

The joke is that all of the Chinese military vessals will be underwater

Oh, I thought you meant China's actual submarines. I feel dumb now.

 

[Bacle]

Not true.

Option A: Chinese fishermen actions can be easily interpreted and piratical in nature.

Option B: On the flip side of that same coin, they can be seen as state sponsored piracy, thus an Act of War.

Option C: Letter's of Marque against CCP vessels in Philipino and other nations waters.

Remove the maritime militia's that double as poachers and which both invade and ecologically devastate the waters of so many nations.

 

[Doomsought]

Chinese submarines are pretty much aging relics. While there is a quality in quantity, it'd be like saying a country has the largest navy compared to other countries' but they're all speedboats/patrol boats.

Also given the grift in China, I'd be surprised if even one was actually able to manage is designed dive depth.

 

[Scottty]

Also given the grift in China, I'd be surprised if even one was actually able to manage is designed dive depth.

Oh they could all go down that deep, the question is whether they could then come back up.

 

[ATP]

The joke is that all of the Chinese military vessals will be underwater

So,when Beatless song about "Yellow submarine" ,they thought about China fleet ?

 

[Scottty]

The joke is that all of the Chinese military vessals will be underwater

The US Navy will convert them into Unmanned Benthic Installations.

 

[PsihoKekec]

That is if the maintenance backlog does not do the USN in.

 

[Scottty]

That is if the maintenance backlog does not do the USN in.

Tell us more about this.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Tell us more about this.

Wrong thread for it I think unless there's been a change in power I'm unaware of recently.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Tell us more about this.

GAO report for 2022 notes increase in ships waiting for both repairs and regular maintenance, the trend that has been going for over a decade. While it's normal to have 20-30% of ships undergoing maintenance at any time, the only way the USN can sustain current commitments is by declaring ships in need of maintenance as mission ready.

https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-23-106440.pdf

 

[The Whispering Monk]

GAO report for 2022 notes increase in ships waiting for both repairs and regular maintenance, the trend that has been going for over a decade. While it's normal to have 20-30% of ships undergoing maintenance at any time, the only way the USN can sustain current commitments is by declaring ships in need of maintenance as mission ready.

https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-23-106440.pdf

Yeah, we need rebuild our naval industrial capacity.

 

[DarthOne]

Yeah, we need rebuild our naval industrial capacity.

Good luck with that.

 

[Husky_Khan]

More details on the ongoing FIlipino-Chinese tensions regarding internationally recognized Filipino Claims on territorial waters and islands far closer to their archipelago then the Chinese mainland.

This is territory the Philippines won in an international court in 2016, after a tribunal said Beijing's sweeping claim to sovereignty over most of the South China Sea had no legal basis.

These are lucrative fishing grounds and access to the shoal also means access to nearby Reed Bank, which has significant reserves of oil and natural gas.

Seemingly undeterred by Chinese might, the Philippines tried again to send supplies to its troops on the Sierra Madre - this time, they said they were successful.

"It really is a David versus Goliath issue," Mr Malaya said. "But just like David, we will continue to pound and double down on the need to protect the resources which are important for the future of the Philippines."

But Beijing does not see it that way. It claims the Sierra Madre is violating its sovereignty. A Chinese coastguard statement described its actions to use a water cannon on the Filipino vessel as "professional and restrained".

Manila said it tried to use a hotline it set up with China to defuse the situation, but no-one answered the phone.

Along with attempting to harass and intercept Coast Guard resupply efforts, Chinese vessels have harassed Filipino fishermen other civilian operations as near Palawan and other areas.

Mr Malaya from the Philippines National Security Council says the Chinese are also using hundreds of fishing vessels near the Ayungin shoal, which are in effect militia vessels. "They are instruments of Chinese power, they are part of the military apparatus of China. They serve to intimidate and harass our fishermen in the area," he added.

Beijing, however, denies that such a militia exists.

Whether it does or not, Benjo Atay says he is not prepared to even risk sailing near those waters, let alone fight. He has fished near Ayungin shoal since he was 14. It is named after the near-endangered fish endemic to the Philippines, well-known to families living off a tight budget. There was a time when, for months, he and other fishermen from the scattered islands near Palawan sailed close to Chinese boats in the same waters.

Now in his 30s, Mr Atay's concern for the crew's safety outweighs the lure of a significant catch. "I don't think we will go back there. We are really scared. They might fire their water cannon. Of course, we just have a wooden boat. We're really afraid of going back there."

The United States, Japan and Philippines also recently conducted joint military exercises in the region.

Philippines stands up to Beijing in South China sea tussle

Fishermen are on the frontline of a worsening territorial standoff as Manila asserts itself against China.

www.bbc.com

 

[Jormungandr]

sigh Fucking China.

 

[Husky_Khan]

I wonder if War Thunder is responsible for these leaks as well.





Images of the Chinese 125mm and 140mm APFSDS projectiles.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Foreign Policy did a long article detailing the recent Chinese efforts to prevent the Philippines government from supplying military outposts on its own internationally recognized territory. Over ten Chinese military vessels were deployed and used dazzlers, lasers, water cannons and ramming and other maneuvers to attempt to prevent Filipino Naval, Coast Guard and civilian vessels from transiting their own waters and supplying their own posts.

They've also deployed military vessels as well as dozens of their so-called "Maritime Militia" of armed fishing boats to other islands near the Philippines.

The push against Second Thomas Shoal is also a sign to experts that China's navy can more effectively sustain itself at sea from disputed islands in the South China Sea. And just as China's air force has used constant incursions into Taiwan's air defense identification zone as a tactic to burn out Taipei's pilots, it is using the pressure campaign at sea to exhaust Philippine forces.

"They couldn't really flex their muscles against the Filipinos, the Malaysians, [and] the Indonesians until after they built up the islands in the South China Sea, and that's really why they did that," said Brent Sadler, a senior research fellow for naval warfare and advanced technology at the Heritage Foundation and a former U.S. naval attaché in Malaysia. "Now they can keep those cutters and those patrol boats and fishing boats out there a lot more frequently [and] actually start to wear down the Malaysian and Filipinos just because they can keep a constant presence where the other guys don't have as many platforms."

And the more that China uses Coast Guard and maritime militia forces to harass the Philippine and other regional navies, the more routine China's aggressive posture becomes. "The Chinese just keep coming at them and messing with them," Sadler said. "It becomes like a new normal." Chinese military strategists believe that under the constant pressure, the United States would go away rather than continue to contest its maritime control.

Determined to continue supplying their outposts and defending their territorial claims, the Philippines has also taken to publicly denouncing and shaming the Chinese for their bullying tactics, a tactic the Vietnamese have used before knowing it'll provoke a public reaction from the Chinese due to their overly sensitive 'shame' culture in regards to their international reputation.

China Brings Out the Big Guns in the South China Sea

The Chinese navy and maritime militia are using water cannons, laser dazzlers, and harassing tactics to try to push smaller nations out of the area.

foreignpolicy.com

Also this is apparently a thing.

AFP suspects China of massive coral harvesting in West Philippine Sea

AFP Western Command chief Vice Admiral Alberto Carlos says the Philippines will increase military presence in the area to address the issue

www.rappler.com

China allegedly engaging in a massive illegal coral harvesting operation in the Rozul Reef in the West Philippines Sea, well within the Philippines Exclusive Economic Zone.

 

[Scottty]

Time to start arresting those boats?