At least until all the bubbles start rising to the surface.What I mean is say, the Philippines fire at these ships and China fires back.
US then gets invovled and China becomes a country with only submarines, but the largest fleet of them
At least until all the bubbles start rising to the surface.What I mean is say, the Philippines fire at these ships and China fires back.
US then gets invovled and China becomes a country with only submarines, but the largest fleet of them
China would likely deny them as soon as they were being sunk. They're expendable cats' paws, so really it'd just be seen as the Filipinos sinking a bunch of pirates.Not true.
Option A: Chinese fishermen actions can be easily interpreted and piratical in nature.
Option B: On the flip side of that same coin, they can be seen as state sponsored piracy, thus an Act of War.
Chinese submarines are pretty much aging relics. While there is a quality in quantity, it'd be like saying a country has the largest navy compared to other countries' but they're all speedboats/patrol boats.What I mean is say, the Philippines fire at these ships and China fires back.
US then gets invovled and China becomes a country with only submarines, but the largest fleet of them
The joke is that all of the Chinese military vessals will be underwaterChina would likely deny them as soon as they were being sunk. They're expendable cats' paws, so really it'd just be seen as the Filipinos sinking a bunch of pirates.
Chinese submarines are pretty much aging relics. While there is a quality in quantity, it'd be like saying a country has the largest navy compared to other countries' but they're all speedboats/patrol boats.
Oh, I thought you meant China's actual submarines. I feel dumb now.The joke is that all of the Chinese military vessals will be underwater
Option C: Letter's of Marque against CCP vessels in Philipino and other nations waters.Not true.
Option A: Chinese fishermen actions can be easily interpreted and piratical in nature.
Option B: On the flip side of that same coin, they can be seen as state sponsored piracy, thus an Act of War.
Also given the grift in China, I'd be surprised if even one was actually able to manage is designed dive depth.Chinese submarines are pretty much aging relics. While there is a quality in quantity, it'd be like saying a country has the largest navy compared to other countries' but they're all speedboats/patrol boats.
Also given the grift in China, I'd be surprised if even one was actually able to manage is designed dive depth.
So,when Beatless song about "Yellow submarine" ,they thought about China fleet ?The joke is that all of the Chinese military vessals will be underwater
The joke is that all of the Chinese military vessals will be underwater
That is if the maintenance backlog does not do the USN in.
Tell us more about this.
Tell us more about this.
Yeah, we need rebuild our naval industrial capacity.GAO report for 2022 notes increase in ships waiting for both repairs and regular maintenance, the trend that has been going for over a decade. While it's normal to have 20-30% of ships undergoing maintenance at any time, the only way the USN can sustain current commitments is by declaring ships in need of maintenance as mission ready.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-23-106440.pdf
Yeah, we need rebuild our naval industrial capacity.
BBC said:This is territory the Philippines won in an international court in 2016, after a tribunal said Beijing's sweeping claim to sovereignty over most of the South China Sea had no legal basis.
These are lucrative fishing grounds and access to the shoal also means access to nearby Reed Bank, which has significant reserves of oil and natural gas.
Seemingly undeterred by Chinese might, the Philippines tried again to send supplies to its troops on the Sierra Madre - this time, they said they were successful.
"It really is a David versus Goliath issue," Mr Malaya said. "But just like David, we will continue to pound and double down on the need to protect the resources which are important for the future of the Philippines."
But Beijing does not see it that way. It claims the Sierra Madre is violating its sovereignty. A Chinese coastguard statement described its actions to use a water cannon on the Filipino vessel as "professional and restrained".
Manila said it tried to use a hotline it set up with China to defuse the situation, but no-one answered the phone.
BBC said:Mr Malaya from the Philippines National Security Council says the Chinese are also using hundreds of fishing vessels near the Ayungin shoal, which are in effect militia vessels. "They are instruments of Chinese power, they are part of the military apparatus of China. They serve to intimidate and harass our fishermen in the area," he added.
Beijing, however, denies that such a militia exists.
Whether it does or not, Benjo Atay says he is not prepared to even risk sailing near those waters, let alone fight. He has fished near Ayungin shoal since he was 14. It is named after the near-endangered fish endemic to the Philippines, well-known to families living off a tight budget. There was a time when, for months, he and other fishermen from the scattered islands near Palawan sailed close to Chinese boats in the same waters.
Now in his 30s, Mr Atay's concern for the crew's safety outweighs the lure of a significant catch. "I don't think we will go back there. We are really scared. They might fire their water cannon. Of course, we just have a wooden boat. We're really afraid of going back there."
Foreign Policy said:The push against Second Thomas Shoal is also a sign to experts that China's navy can more effectively sustain itself at sea from disputed islands in the South China Sea. And just as China's air force has used constant incursions into Taiwan's air defense identification zone as a tactic to burn out Taipei's pilots, it is using the pressure campaign at sea to exhaust Philippine forces.
"They couldn't really flex their muscles against the Filipinos, the Malaysians, [and] the Indonesians until after they built up the islands in the South China Sea, and that's really why they did that," said Brent Sadler, a senior research fellow for naval warfare and advanced technology at the Heritage Foundation and a former U.S. naval attaché in Malaysia. "Now they can keep those cutters and those patrol boats and fishing boats out there a lot more frequently [and] actually start to wear down the Malaysian and Filipinos just because they can keep a constant presence where the other guys don't have as many platforms."
And the more that China uses Coast Guard and maritime militia forces to harass the Philippine and other regional navies, the more routine China's aggressive posture becomes. "The Chinese just keep coming at them and messing with them," Sadler said. "It becomes like a new normal." Chinese military strategists believe that under the constant pressure, the United States would go away rather than continue to contest its maritime control.