Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

LifeisTiresome

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These people act like the world is only 300 years old.
They obviously know the rest of the world exists. This is just them pushing a narrative that America is evil and white people are evil.

White people invented the death penalty which came from lynching don't you know?!

At any rate, all they learn from college is how evil America is and how evil white people are. They don't learn history of China or any other civilizations and the bad acts they did.
 

Sailor.X

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They already do that. I have seen videos where they burn books written by old white people.
Yeah, give it time. There is a reason they take old movies and replace people with women or black people.


More historical revisionism.

But hey, keep trying to appease people that hate you man. I'm sure that will work out just like it worked out with Hitler ;)

Dude take a break from the internet. Working yourself into a frenzy is gonna do damage to your health. Ranting online will not make anything better. Go have some Tea. take a nap can clear your mind. I am concerned for your well being.
 

LifeisTiresome

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Dude take a break from the internet. Working yourself into a frenzy is gonna do damage to your health. Ranting online will not make anything better. Go have some Tea. take a nap can clear your mind. I am concerned for your well being.
Man, I'm having fun. I'm not american. I'm not white. As long as the nukes don't get launched and Manga/anime and eastern entertainment can stay unwoke. I don't much care about what happens to the west or white people.

I feel sorry for white people and right wingers. hence I post here to wake you guys the fuck up. Nothing I have posted took me longer then a few minutes to find.

Well they certainly don't know their history, I'll give you that. This isn't the first time I've said this, and it won't be the last, but the ACLU that would once put the principles it was founded on, defending and preserving the rights of every American, before any ideology is long dead.

Nah man, they are exactly as I posted below:
They obviously know the rest of the world exists. This is just them pushing a narrative that America is evil and white people are evil.

White people invented the death penalty which came from lynching don't you know?!

At any rate, all they learn from college is how evil America is and how evil white people are. They don't learn history of China or any other civilizations and the bad acts they did.
 

Zachowon

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...I bet they don't even realize that they've also just told Americans where the far-left is going to attack next. :ROFLMAO:

And I doubt this is some 4-dimensional chess move by CNN or the far-Left. As they tend to fall apart when faced with any real opposition.
Rename the home of the Infantry? I mean, if you name it after another famous General, but not one from the Civil war sure. Call it Patton or something, but most Army bases are named after Civil war leaders, at least the ones in the South are.
Perhaps, but I'm far from perfect; I have listened more to my heart than my head at times, often with rather embarrassing results, especially in retrospect. Like last month, when I got defensive and lashed out over my belief that Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq; not my proudest moment.
Hey, we all have those moments. Look at me when it comes to Law Enforcement and Military for the US. I get heated. Stepping away often helps.
 

Husky_Khan

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Seems dumb to me. Confederate military heritage is still American military heritage and history. The American Civil War was our biggest conflict and people can whine about it all they want but yes the North one but almost all of those Confederates eventually submitted to the United States of America again.

Even calling them traitors at the time is odd to me. Yes by our standards they are traitors but at the time there was no standard metric for why Federal loyalty should surpass state loyalty. Furthermore the United States was literally founded by a bunch of "traitors" so I don't find it a particularly damning charge.

Which leaves slavery which is the primary reason for the Civil War but slavery was practiced by morally equivalent traitors like many of our Founding Fathers. There's no reason to assume appeasement over Confederate iconography won't lead to a further slippery slope.

It'll start with statues and names of Confederates but they're already working on removing John C. Calhoun as well. Whether from college building or publ8c lakes. Why not move onto Jefferson and Washington. People are already removing Patrick Henry from schools. That's the next step. Then we can get rid those problematic Spanish explorers/conquistadors. We also renamed Mount McKinley not too long ago. All of those imperialists should get the boot next. Then they'll project our 21st century values on everyone else in the past to root out the homophobes and bigots and racists.

J. Edgar Hoover will be removed from the FBI building and institution he basically created. Robert Byrd will learn (post humously) no amount of time will erode his dark past as a KKK member. I'm sure General Patton for his mild racism and virulent anti-socialist ideals will outlast the rest but it'll be inevitable for that Southern gentleman as well to be pushed from the public mindset.

Any compromise when it comes iconoclasm is literally the equivalent of compromise on gun rights or other "Conservative" issues.

Conservatives compromise by giving up something and the Left compromises by only taking a little less then they originally planned.
 

LordsFire

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Well yes, given my neighbor revealed himself as a closet racist to me because he thought I was like minded. This is a man who made a career as a city attorney, is part of the local GOP election/vote collecting group (we have mail in voting for everyone), and has a part time job working for the building permitting office now.

So what do you expect me to do? Travel to wherever it is you live, and question your neighbor on whether or not he's racist?

Have you reported what your neigbour said to higher-ups in the local branch Republican party?

Has the local branch of the Republican party put forward racist policies at his behest?
 
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This is a spate of outright iconoclasm.

How do you deal with iconoclasts?

Very simply, you don’t give them any ground whatsoever.

Iconoclastic movements have existed before in history, and they never ended well.

Iconoclast movements are never built on good faith debating, but entirely on emotion, hysteria, and zeal. Arguing with them over historical details is pointless and gives them more legitimacy than they deserve.


Man, I'm having fun. I'm not american. I'm not white. As long as the nukes don't get launched and Manga/anime and eastern entertainment can stay unwoke. I don't much care about what happens to the west or white people.

I feel sorry for white people and right wingers. hence I post here to wake you guys the fuck up. Nothing I have posted took me longer then a few minutes to find.
Dude, nothing you’ve cited is a surprise to anyone here. Your not bringing the ray of light to the masses. We all know what’s going on, hyperventilating about it on the internet and getting worked into a frenzy is counter productive. It’s not going to stop it. It doesn’t do us any good, you any good, anyone’s mental health any good for you to keep on doing this.

If you didn’t care you wouldn’t bother. You obviously do care a great deal.

I advise you to calm down.
 
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LifeisTiresome

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Dude, nothing you’ve cited is a surprise to anyone here. Your not bringing the ray of light to the masses. We all know what’s going on, hyperventilating about it on the internet and getting worked into a frenzy is counter productive. It’s not going to stop it. It doesn’t do us any good, you any good, anyone’s mental health any good for you to keep on doing this.

If you didn’t care you wouldn’t bother. You obviously do care a great deal.

I advise you to calm down.
Do my posts come off that I'm emotional or hyperventilating?

I thought they were neutral in tone.

if no, my apologies.

I care in the sense that I don't want leftists to win. Their ideology is abhorrent and they will not stop at white people. They want to spread their nonsense everywhere targeting video games, anime, manga and stuff I care about.

My comments about waking you guys up is more to make you guys realize that this is beyond Trump and his election. Its a bigger problem then that. Really, its just my observations/comments. I'm not making a campaign or anything.

Plus, I don't really come here that often man. There are some times I don't even come here for several days.
 

Yinko

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I am talking about the...questionable parts of the base, who stay smart and low key when they are not in what they see as 'like-minded company'. I know damn well they exist, and I am slowly beginning to see the signs of similar things in others.
Have you reported what your neigbour said to higher-ups in the local branch Republican party?

That's the thing, even if they slip up once or twice, it doesn't matter. And that is a good thing. Essentially, the person they slipped up to, they are making an accusation based on their own word. For the party to punish someone based on an accusation without evidence would be terrible. It would be similar to Stalinist purges, or current SJW activity, where mere suspicion is enough to invoke negative consequences.

Sure, hidden currents within a group may end up swaying a lot of opinions in ways you don't want but you have to ask what makes those opinions so tempting and convincing. I think it was @LordsFire that pointed out that the Far Right will lose its appeal once people stop getting pressured so hard by the Far Left. You want the Right to fix its problems, but its problems are a symptom of its conflict.

Currently, the behavior of the Left is more likely than anything to merely cause an upswing in the kinds of sentiment sentiment you have stated you dislike as a lot of people who were leaning to the Right already and now feel threatened (physically or ideologically) take a collective step to the right. More open minds for closet racists and Lost Cause supporters. Even if everything eventually goes back to normal in Leftist regions of the country, the Conservative areas are going to end up a lot more Red after this.
 

Terthna

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Conservatives compromise by giving up something and the Left compromises by only taking a little less then they originally planned.
If I may play the devil's advocate here; that's how it's supposed to work. In general, liberals want to change how things are, while conservatives want to keep things as they are. Any compromise between the two groups is going to leave both unhappy.
 

LifeisTiresome

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If I may play the devil's advocate here; that's how it's supposed to work. In general, liberals want to change how things are, while conservatives want to keep things as they are. Any compromise between the two groups is going to leave both unhappy.
Thats why conservatives are called worthless and cuckservatives online. They conserve nothing. Leftists bank on this shit. They push slowly and slowly indoctrinating until they eventually get everything they want only to then want even more.
 

LifeisTiresome

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The leftists, meanwhile, let crazy extremists take over and decide for them what they wanted.
The thing though is I'm not sure how true that is. I have some idea that leftists are infact the true left. And you and me are like people who have taken as our politics leftism that has been made more palatable to the masses. But is not the true left.

There is a certain truth that nobody who calls themselves conservative nowadays is a real conservative. Even the so called conservatives of now are infact the liberals of yesteryear.

Again, a feminist who started the very first gender study courses outright called for eugenics and reduction of males to 10% of the population. And this was years ago
 

Husky_Khan

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If I may play the devil's advocate here; that's how it's supposed to work. In general, liberals want to change how things are, while conservatives want to keep things as they are. Any compromise between the two groups is going to leave both unhappy.

The pie analogy is simple. What Conservatives value is a pie and every compromise with progressives is just taking a slice away and regardless of how big a slice it is, one group is losing and the other is gaining.

But the pie isn't "keeping things as they are."

Conservatives want to preserve/conserve and strengthen America's founding ideals and traditions like liberty, democracy and republicanism and family values and Judeo-Christian morals etc blah blah blah.

Conservatism is not about keeping things in perpetual stasis. There's traditionalism yes. But a major Conservative platform isn't return to pastoralism or feudalism or luddism.
 

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