United States Desantis or Trump: 2024?

[Abhorsen]

Which would you rather see as the 2024 Republican nominee, and why?

Personally, I'd prefer Desantis. Trump was fine with lockdowns, and that's pretty damning to me. Also, I think Desantis wins with a commanding majority, while Trump has a clear chance of losing vs a strongish dem candidate, if they don't run Biden, and doesn't help downballot people because like it or not, a lot of people just dislike him.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Honestly?

I want Trump, just to focus all of the Hate and Vitriol on the part of the Left so they go even more insane. Trump goes wholesale swamp deconstruction and investigates everything. Desantis should be the reasonable voice in the ranks. Once Trump exits Desantis can come in and garner all the people under him.

 

[Rocinante]

DeSantis a million times. It's not even a close competition for me.

And if DeSantis was out of the picture, Trump over anyone else.

DeSantis, I believe, is essentially a more competent and well spoken Trump. All of the good and less of the baggage

 

[Bacle]

I'd prefer DeSantis because he has all of Trump's good qualities, and none of Trump's ego or pettiness.

Plus, Trump proved to have no real ability to find 'good hires', has never admitted 'his' vaccines are having really bad side effects and are killing otherwise healthy people with clots and the like, and the way the Trump campaign acted when it came to trying to get donations was not something that made it seem like the campaign was being run competently at all.

 

[Abhorsen]

Honestly?

I want Trump, just to focus all of the Hate and Vitriol on the part of the Left so they go even more insane. Trump goes wholesale swamp deconstruction and investigates everything. Desantis should be the reasonable voice in the ranks. Once Trump exits Desantis can come in and garner all the people under him.

If I could Trump to actually fire the 10k workers or the like, I'd be in favor of him. But what I feel he really wants isn't a drained swamp so much as his swamp? Not that he likes corruption. I'm not saying this quite right. Basically, my problem with him is that he thinks that government is the answer. And so I don't think he'll actually end government programs, but instead try to get them to work in his way. And that's ultimately the problem: government can't be trusted to do good if someone isn't constantly riding herd on it. And Trump won't be able to do that.

Also, he won't be able to get good hires. Look, I don't like a lot of his hires, but the way he tossed them then treated them afterwards means that it's almost always a stupid idea to work for him.

 

[Cherico]

After the cancel culture after the witch hunts after the riots after the false imprisonments after the deliberate lies. After having my right to due process first and second amendment rights violations.

After all that I just want revenge and I don't much care who gives it to me.

 

[Rocinante]

If I could Trump to actually fire the 10k workers or the like, I'd be in favor of him. But what I feel he really wants isn't a drained swamp so much as his swamp? Not that he likes corruption. I'm not saying this quite right. Basically, my problem with him is that he thinks that government is the answer. And so I don't think he'll actually end government programs, but instead try to get them to work in his way. And that's ultimately the problem: government can't be trusted to do good if someone isn't constantly riding herd on it. And Trump won't be able to do that.

Also, he won't be able to get good hires. Look, I don't like a lot of his hires, but the way he tossed them then treated them afterwards means that it's almost always a stupid idea to work for him.

And you might face a lot of future employment problems after working for him.

 

[Sailor.X]

I want Trump. Because if you pay close attention the media is trying to push Desantis over Trump. That is a Red Flag for me. That gives me too much Mike Pence vibes for me to trust him. He may be a good Governor of Florida. But I have a feeling he would go sideways on us if he gets into the White House.

 

[Blasterbot]

if you think the media will be nicer to Desantis than Trump you are wrong. any republican who is actual opposition will be treated exactly as trump was. Trump should be elected and then we run Desantis next term.

 

[Sailor.X]

I think Desantis is managed opposition. His stance on Red Flag laws made me question if he can be trusted.

 

[Bacle]

DeSantis is not an 'outsider' the way Trump was in 2016, this is true.

However, DeSantis stood up to fucking Disney and made the Mouse buckle under while making sure the Mouse will be getting less profit from it's Florida locations by repealing the 'special district'.

Controlled opposition, like McConnell, Graham, and Romney would never attempt to mess with the Mouse's money or property, particularly if it might hurt their campaign fundraising ability down the road.

 

[Sailor.X]

DeSantis is not an 'outsider' the way Trump was in 2016, this is true.

However, DeSantis stood up to fucking Disney and made the Mouse buckle under while making sure the Mouse will be getting less profit from it's Florida locations by repealing the 'special district'.

Controlled opposition, like McConnell, Graham, and Romney would never attempt to mess with the Mouse's money or property, particularly if it might hurt their campaign fundraising ability down the road.

The first rule of combat don't think someone doing something good for you is an ally. They can be an enemy playing the long game on you. Standing up to Disney Big whoop. Disney knows that a Governor will be out of office eventually. And they have can wait them out. Congress critters tend to be in bed with corporations to begin with. They make money off companies like Disney. Remember any decision made by a politician can be unmade by another politician.

Nope I don't trust him. You may trust him. But it would take way more than what he has done so far to trust him. My gut tells me not to trust him. And It has never been wrong when it comes to politicians.

 

[Abhorsen]

I think Desantis is managed opposition. His stance on Red Flag laws made me question if he can be trusted.

Second Amendment advocates warn Trump over support for "red flag" laws

"If he basically tries to dismantle the Second Amendment community, he's going to be a one-termer. I firmly believe that," one activist said

www.cbsnews.com

I feel like people look at Trump with rose tinted glasses on the right. He too was a gun grabber, and a far more dangerous one than Biden, as no one on the right complained when he grabbed bump stocks.

He was also pro lockdown and lashed out a Republican governors who protected rights, which I think is especially damning. Meanwhile, Desantis got a ton of shit from the media for sticking to his guns here.

 

[Bacle]

The first rule of combat don't think someone doing something good for you is an ally. They can be an enemy playing the long game on you. Standing up to Disney Big whoop. Disney knows that a Governor will be out of office eventually. And they have can wait them out. Congress critters tend to be in bed with corporations to begin with. They make money off companies like Disney. Remember any decision made by a politician can be unmade by another politician.

Nope I don't trust him. You may trust him. But it would take way more than what he has done so far to trust him. My gut tells me not to trust him. And It has never been wrong when it comes to politicians.

During the election your gut also said that Trump would be able to prove the fraud well enough, and fast enough, to remain in office.

That didn't happen; the fix was in from the start.

Also, what DeSantis did too Disney is not something that can be changed back by a new governor; removing the 'special district' was something that required a vote at the state level.

DeSantis also has pissed off the Biden admin repeatedly, particularly in regards to the vax stuff (not a small thing) and generally been trying to carry on the politics of Trump without the pettiness and ego that hindered Trump realizing how many of his 'own' people were out to screw him over.

As well, this isn't combat, this is politics, and guess what, we have only 'bad options' (Trump included) anymore; DeSantis might not gut the Swamp the way Trump is threatening too, but I think DeSantis is also someone who would be more clever and subtle about his plans to fuck with the DC establishment, and has no need to be a showman about it like Trump.

Trump's actions around the vax's since the election, and since the bad side effects have become known, prove he should not be trusted to put other people before his own ego, either. Trump cares about Trump, and he will never admit fault publicly for anything that might tarnish his self-image. Plus, you forget the 'bump-stock bans' Trump endorsed, or his own endorsement of some 'Red Flag laws'; Trump was not a friend to gun owners, he just pretended to be one.

So you may not trust DeSantis, but doesn't mean Trump is trustworthy either.

 

[What's the sitch?]

For me Trump not running is a major Democrat victory and it validates everything they have done since he got into office in the first place, and confirms that yes, if they kick and scream loud enough they will win. DeSantis is probably fine but thats just another compromise, you need to stop compromising because they only take and never give. Need to stop taking prisoners as it were.

 

[Sailor.X]

Second Amendment advocates warn Trump over support for "red flag" laws

"If he basically tries to dismantle the Second Amendment community, he's going to be a one-termer. I firmly believe that," one activist said

www.cbsnews.com

I feel like people look at Trump with rose tinted glasses on the right. He too was a gun grabber, and a far more dangerous one than Biden, as no one on the right complained when he grabbed bump stocks.

He was also pro lockdown and lashed out a Republican governors who protected rights, which I think is especially damning. Meanwhile, Desantis got a ton of shit from the media for sticking to his guns here.

Not to derail this thread with gun control. But Bump Stocks was not the hill for any 2A minded person to die on. Magazine capacity is the hill to die on.

Trump did this......

1: He brought back a lot of manufacturing to the US
2: He put serious effort in taking out Sex trafficers.
3: He stood up for the US on the World Stage and got us out of very messed up international treaties and agreements.
4: He ended NAFTA and replaced it with something better.
5: He pardoned a lot of people that past Democrat procecutors had shammed into jail
6: He expanded Oil and Gas drilling in the US making America an exporter of both.
7: He unfucked the VA. Giving Veterans better treatment than they had been receiving.
8: He began building the border wall by hook and by crook.
9: He stood up to both North Korea and China
10: He exposed just how corrupt both the Media and Washington really is.

Name one Republican President in recent memory that has done that much good for America.

 

[Bigking321]

Trump for another 4 then DeSantis for 8. Easy.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

If I could Trump to actually fire the 10k workers or the like, I'd be in favor of him. But what I feel he really wants isn't a drained swamp so much as his swamp? Not that he likes corruption. I'm not saying this quite right. Basically, my problem with him is that he thinks that government is the answer. And so I don't think he'll actually end government programs, but instead try to get them to work in his way. And that's ultimately the problem: government can't be trusted to do good if someone isn't constantly riding herd on it. And Trump won't be able to do that.

Also, he won't be able to get good hires. Look, I don't like a lot of his hires, but the way he tossed them then treated them afterwards means that it's almost always a stupid idea to work for him.

I mean he's a 90's liberal who had a rep amongst the New York mob in the 70's as "that outsider we could trust to arbitrate disputes for us." according to Sammy Gravano at least. He may not be pro corruption, but he's certainly from the era of Democrats who had that "A certain amount of corruption is inevitable and I'll tolerate it to an extent because its the natural order of things.". But where he may not have gone after the institutions and the gibs prior, I think they've slighted him enough personally that he might be out to wreck everybody's shit.

Which whatever, someone out to do that level of infrastructural damage to the Federal Government is something the US has sorely needed for about a generation now.

 

[stephen the barbarian]

DeSantis, he's younger and isn't bound to 1 term the way trump is.
i'd rather have the option for an 8 year admin.

 

[Abhorsen]

Name one Republican President in recent memory that has done that much good for America.

Reagan. Look, there hasn't been a bunch of decent republican presidents recently, but that doesn't make Trump good. He was pro the red flag law, pro lockdown, pro a lot of violations of individual freedoms. He was one of the best on foreign policy, but still helped the Saudis invade Yemen, so still too much of a warmonger for my tastes.

But where he may not have gone after the institutions and the gibs prior, I think they've slighted him enough personally that he might be out to wreck everybody's shit.

Which whatever, someone out to do that level of infrastructural damage to the Federal Government is something the US has sorely needed for about a generation now.

And they didn't slight him enough before? While the Executive branch was actively investigating him? Look, I'd love to believe he'd take a sledgehammer to the federal government, and if I knew he would do it, I'd vote for him over Dave Smith (the likely libertarian candidate). But I quite simply cannot trust him to do this until it has been done.

Also, his promise to start executing drug dealers? Not something I support at all, and a major turnoff. The US lost the war on drugs long ago, IDK why people keep wanting to fight it.