LordsFire
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This one, at least, is just the Democrats prioritizing threats. They *know* Trump is an existential threat, so they'll push you to vote for literally anyone other than him.
Your other points... time will tell.
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This one, at least, is just the Democrats prioritizing threats. They *know* Trump is an existential threat, so they'll push you to vote for literally anyone other than him.
Your other points... time will tell.
Right, that's why Nixon won two terms and 49 states in the last term as a spite vote.
That could very well happen with Ron.
Of course the King Cobra killed all the rats in your house. Congrats, now you have a King Cobra problem
Rats have killed more humans then King Cobras.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
That is a bar no future president would be able to put a stop to except major wars because of America's position.
No, it's quite possible to do: stop fucking with countries we've got no business with. This idea that it's inevitable that America needs to be a thug for hire/world police is just wrong.
Arch Dornan
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That's exactly the problem when previous presidents sunk billions of dollars and lives towards that any president going against that can't easily do a reverse turn except slowly in their four years. The new president inherits all the shit from past administrations to fix.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Needs to?
No, it does not.
Answering such a question about an extreme, that's easy.
Should it?
When should it?
These are questions that are much more difficult to answer.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
When you become the big man you have more hard choices to make.
Trump, hands down.
I'm not sold on DeSantis.
As for Biden, he's done something worse than make bad decisions for America. He gravely miscalculated the true strength of the Russian army (but to be fair, we all did--including the Russians) and that has led to the worst-case scenario for Ukraine, Russia, Africa, and the Middle East. The coming famines in the Middle East will send oil shocks throughout the world. It's bad enough that the Russians aren't getting their oil out, imagine if Saudi Arabia or Iran were to join them. That's the dirty secret in plain sight no one wants to talk about.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
The brickwork is being layed out with BRICS. It's that bad since Biden pissed off Saudi Arabia.
If the claims of Richard Baris is true, he won't run because he know he'll have his turn.
Pollster On DeSantis: "He Will Not Run If Donald Trump Runs -- End Of Story" (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by ProTrumpNews Staff
The media is trying to start a rivalry between President Donald Trump and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis – two extremely popular conservatives.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
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Blasterbot
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yeah it looked like something pushed by people with the goal of making sure the republicans have a primary as opposed to just cancelling it and rolling all that money into the actual election or other lower level elections.
I can answer those in order.
1.) DeSantis is still a virtual unknown outside of Conservative circles. He's known but not as wildly popular as Trump. That's changing as people witness the things he's doing and see it as good. He's winning over Moderates and even some Classical Liberals. But most see him as Trumps successor, not his competition. Tje Mainstream is pushing people onto him as they see him as a weaker alternative to Trump who they don't fear as they think he's beatable.
2.) The Mike Pence Vibes. Can you explain that one a bit? Pence was always soft spoken and dignified at least in terms of his manner. But he turned out to be a snake. DeSantis is bluntly Honest. Seriously the guy is like Trump in that he's open, honest and straight forward. Unlike Trump he knows when to pick his battles. He's all the best things about Trump without any of the Flaws. Gove him a little time to season and he'll be a perfect 2 term President...after Trump.
3.) The reason why people are putting their hopes into DeSantis is because they see real leadership in him. DeSantis isn't the only one Governing as a real Conservative, but he is the Trailblazer in most of the other things they have done. It was DeSantis first that took real and effective measured against CRT and wokeness in the state. He is pushing back effectively. Other Governors see what he's doing and are taking similar measures. This is why Republicans see him as the future of the Party. Because he quite literally is. So long as he stays the course.
49ersfootball
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I strongly prefer DeSantis in 2024!
Pocky Balboa
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Trump. DeSantis still has more to do here in Florida and 4 years of Trump and 8 years of DeSantis sounds pretty good to me
Circle of Willis
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As an outside observer, it does seem to me that DeSantis has more of a spine than Pence did. I heard Pence backed down and compromised on an Indianan religious freedom law last decade due to opposition from the LGBT lobby. DeSantis, of course, has not only held his ground on the Florida parental rights act but actively told its critics to eat shit and hit Disney where he can hurt them the most - the wallet - over it, which would have been utterly unimaginable for a Republican ten or even five years ago. Famously he also stuck to his guns on there being no lockdowns in Florida after it was shown that they didn't work, even when Trump was pushing the vax hard (which he continues to do to this day, no matter that it gets him booed at his own rallies) and attacked Brian Kemp of Georgia for trying even a limited re-opening in April of 2020.
All that said, everything I've heard and read over the past months, from Richard Baris to Matt Gaetz, suggest that DeSantis won't even bother running in 2024 if Trump runs. And I don't see Trump not running as long as he isn't straight up thrown in prison by the Harris-Biden administration, so any discussion of a Trump v. DeSantis primary battle looks to be strictly academic at this point. I don't really see DeSantis trading a governorship where he can still actively do a lot of good for the comparatively powerless Vice Presidential slot either, although since his second term will expire in 2026, Trump could plausibly give him a cabinet post after that to help keep him relevant & add to his executive experience.
Some of Trump's endorsements this election cycle do indicate that he still really hasn't improved his ability to pick non-snakes to surround himself with, which is probably the worst thing about him going into 2024. But at least there's no question that he'd still be a marked improvement over the out-of-control burning train wreck that is Joe Biden, both for America and the rest of the world.
All that said, everything I've heard and read over the past months, from Richard Baris to Matt Gaetz, suggest that DeSantis won't even bother running in 2024 if Trump runs. And I don't see Trump not running as long as he isn't straight up thrown in prison by the Harris-Biden administration, so any discussion of a Trump v. DeSantis primary battle looks to be strictly academic at this point. I don't really see DeSantis trading a governorship where he can still actively do a lot of good for the comparatively powerless Vice Presidential slot either, although since his second term will expire in 2026, Trump could plausibly give him a cabinet post after that to help keep him relevant & add to his executive experience.
Some of Trump's endorsements this election cycle do indicate that he still really hasn't improved his ability to pick non-snakes to surround himself with, which is probably the worst thing about him going into 2024. But at least there's no question that he'd still be a marked improvement over the out-of-control burning train wreck that is Joe Biden, both for America and the rest of the world.
Terthna
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I'd prefer DeSantis; but him and Trump are pretty much the only viable candidates out there, and Trump still has one term left. It's probably best to get Trump in for his second term in 2024, and then bring in DeSantis for 2028. Besides; electing Trump sends a more powerful message that the American people reject the regressive left and everything they stand for.
Agent23
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Just have DeSantis as VP.
Either him or Tucker Carlson, although Tucker will do better as press secretary or spokesman.
For the lulz make Tulsi Gabbard secretary of something or another, to make the Democrat nomenclatura ree and get some SJW heads to explode.
Make a frigging Secretary of State for Hot MILFs if you have to.
TyrantTriumphant
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The reason I support DeSantis for 2024 is that Trump failed us in 2020.
Everybody knew that the Democrats were going to cheat like crazy from the beginning. Trump should have had systems in place months before the election to prevent the left from getting away with it. But instead he gave the job to Jared and never checked on his progress. Jared, for his part, was got sidetracked by the Abraham accords and ignored his job on elections.
And Trump let this happen and only started doing anything after it was too late to matter.
I will always admire Trump for exposing the establishment for the scum they are. But it has become clear that he cannot effectively choose or manage subordinates and lets his ego get in the way of governing.
DeSantis on the other hand has shown his skills in governance along with his willingness and ability to fight against the totalitarian left. He has been able to pick skilled and loyal subordinates where Trump's picks had a tendency to be useless or betray him.
And so while I thank Mr. Trump for his service, it's time to move on.
Everybody knew that the Democrats were going to cheat like crazy from the beginning. Trump should have had systems in place months before the election to prevent the left from getting away with it. But instead he gave the job to Jared and never checked on his progress. Jared, for his part, was got sidetracked by the Abraham accords and ignored his job on elections.
And Trump let this happen and only started doing anything after it was too late to matter.
I will always admire Trump for exposing the establishment for the scum they are. But it has become clear that he cannot effectively choose or manage subordinates and lets his ego get in the way of governing.
DeSantis on the other hand has shown his skills in governance along with his willingness and ability to fight against the totalitarian left. He has been able to pick skilled and loyal subordinates where Trump's picks had a tendency to be useless or betray him.
And so while I thank Mr. Trump for his service, it's time to move on.
Kushner didn't get side tracked.
He was part of the conspiracy to subvert the 2020 elections. The man has zero loyalty
He was part of the conspiracy to subvert the 2020 elections. The man has zero loyalty
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Just have DeSantis as VP.
Either him or Tucker Carlson, although Tucker will do better as press secretary or spokesman.
For the lulz make Tulsi Gabbard secretary of something or another, to make the Democrat nomenclatura ree and get some SJW heads to explode.
Make a frigging Secretary of State for Hot MILFs if you have to.
Nah. Bring back Kayleigh McEnany. That woman was awesome and always schooled the MSM.