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At this rate it would probably take holding at gun to their board members head or its legal equivalent
Force is the First Law / Political Power grows out the end of a barrel of a gun.

At the end of the day, all laws are enforced at gunpoint, everything else is just making it pretty and regular and making sure accidents are fewer.
 

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At this rate it would probably take holding at gun to their board members head or its legal equivalent
Exactly. These corpos do not fear the state because they know they are being covered for by the demorats. They think the worst that could happen to them is a large ticket for backtalk or whatever.
 

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It is almost as if they should have acid washed it the physical mediums it was on, well after smashing it with hammers.
That's expensive, and they don't have Clinton Foundation money to use in the effort (or maybe they did and didn't do a good enough job).
 
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When I get rid of an old computer I manually disassemble the entire thing, cut all the wires into multiple pieces, take apart the motherboards and hard drives cut them apart as past I can and scrape/scratch/beat them with a crowbar and hope for the best. Even then I am never really sure if it was good enough if someone really wanted to spend time on it.

I also split the pieces over multiple garbage deliveries
 

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When I get rid of an old computer I manually disassemble the entire thing, cut all the wires into multiple pieces, take apart the motherboards and hard drives cut them apart as past I can and scrape/scratch/beat them with a crowbar and hope for the best. Even then I am never really sure if it was good enough if someone really wanted to spend time on it.

I also split the pieces over multiple garbage deliveries
You do realize that destroying anything besides your hard drives is utterly pointless; right? Because nothing else in your computer stores any data.
 

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Making them have to scrounge for pieces and manually re attach it to another computer(instead of just using the one I have destroyed) reduces the odds an effort will be made in the first place(partially due to no longer resembling a computer). Compared to if I just wrecked the hard drive.

But yes I do realize most if not all the data is on the hard drive (supposedly).
 
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Making them have to scrounge for pieces and manually re attach it to another computer(instead of just using the one I have destroyed) reduces the odds an effort will be made in the first place(partially due to no longer resembling a computer). Compared to if I just wrecked the hard drive.

But yes I do realize most if not all the data is on the hard drive (supposedly).
Not most, not supposedly; all. Every single speck of data, aside from the BIOS settings, is contained solely within your hard drive; I used to want to be an IT Technician, and you're damn near making me want to pull my hair out at all the wasted effort and computer components. Heck; there are ways to delete the data from your hard drives so thoroughly, that it would be exceedingly difficult (if not outright impossible) to recover anything from them.
 

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This is getting kinda derail now, but this is one of those things like with many other things and "facts" that exist in life that I do not have experience with and can only hope that "experts" in the field are telling me the truth.

As of late though I have come to learn that I cannot really trust people as things within my scope that I can actually easily verify as being true or false are contested by "experts" and checkmarks.

This is not your fault, but like with many other things I will "take it with a grain of salt". I always hear about data being pulled from computers that people thought they had deleted, thrown away or damaged enough.

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For example even as a non expert and my very light knowledge and experience I knew that BIOS data did not need the hard drive, as I had actually run into this scenario in my computer dealings. Yet you had claimed in a prior post that nothing is saved anywhere besides the hard drive.

Knowing this, that you attempted to decieve me, even if unintentionally, by not mentioning minor scenarios, I am unwilling to believe that data(no matter how minor) cannot be saved somewhere that is accessible by someone with enough determination and know-how.
 

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This is getting kinda derail now, but this is one of those things like with many other things and "facts" that exist in life that I do not have experience with and can only hope that "experts" in the field are telling me the truth.

As of late though I have come to learn that I cannot really trust people as things within my scope that I can actually easily verify as being true or false are contested by "experts" and checkmarks.

This is not your fault, but like with many other things I will "take it with a grain of salt". I always hear about data being pulled from computers that people thought they had deleted, thrown away or damaged enough.

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For example even as a non expert and my very light knowledge and experience I knew that BIOS data did not need the hard drive, as I had actually run into this scenario in my computer dealings. Yet you had claimed in a prior post that nothing is saved anywhere besides the hard drive.

Knowing this, that you attempted to decieve me, even if unintentionally, by not mentioning minor scenarios, I am unwilling to believe that data(no matter how minor) cannot be saved somewhere that is accessible by someone with enough determination and know-how.
Do you even know what the BIOS is? It's settings information for your computer hardware; utterly useless in the context you established, and not even what I would consider "data", beyond stuff like what kind of processor your computer has. It's not going to tell anyone what your bank account numbers are, or what you downloaded from the internet last night, or even where you hid your teeth so the government can't find them.

You know what; fine. Don't believe me; you have fun smashing things with a crowbar for no logical reason. Me? I've got better things to do than try to deal with someone else's paranoid delusions; as if I didn't have enough of my own already.
 

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This is getting kinda derail now, but this is one of those things like with many other things and "facts" that exist in life that I do not have experience with and can only hope that "experts" in the field are telling me the truth.

As of late though I have come to learn that I cannot really trust people as things within my scope that I can actually easily verify as being true or false are contested by "experts" and checkmarks.

This is not your fault, but like with many other things I will "take it with a grain of salt". I always hear about data being pulled from computers that people thought they had deleted, thrown away or damaged enough.

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For example even as a non expert and my very light knowledge and experience I knew that BIOS data did not need the hard drive, as I had actually run into this scenario in my computer dealings. Yet you had claimed in a prior post that nothing is saved anywhere besides the hard drive.

Knowing this, that you attempted to deceive me, even if unintentionally, by not mentioning minor scenarios, I am unwilling to believe that data(no matter how minor) cannot be saved somewhere that is accessible by someone with enough determination and know-how.
honey at some point there is a thing called TOO paranoid and I think you have reached that. If you are really that paranoid go amish, live on a desert island and never interact with anybody ever again. At some point you have to accept that there are at least some things beyond your control.
 

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But Terthna was the one getting worked up for me taking extra steps in getting rid of a computer? Does it really bother you that much if I spend 30 minutes or less doing this once every several years?


"Honey", the whole point is that it is not beyond my control to take those few extra steps.

Maybe if I was doing this on a weekly basis I would look more into it to streamline the process, but if I was burning through computers that fast I think I would have other problems.
 

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I have a friend who literally burns his correspondence etc. He does not do this because he thinks the FBI is dumpster diving but because he gets a sense of catharsis out of watching the shit that he doesn't need any more go up in flames.

By all means, take a crowbar to your old PC. Reenact that scene from Office Space. Just don't delude yourself about the practical effect of doing so.
 

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But Terthna was the one getting worked up for me taking extra steps in getting rid of a computer? Does it really bother you that much if I spend 30 minutes or less doing this once every several years?


"Honey", the whole point is that it is not beyond my control to take those few extra steps.

Maybe if I was doing this on a weekly basis I would look more into it to streamline the process, but if I was burning through computers that fast I think I would have other problems.
it's more of an optics thing. You're smashing things like a druggie who thinks black helicopters chasing after him, and when someone calls you out and says your being and redundant you go onto this big spill about how you can't trust him.

By all means, take a crowbar to your old PC. Reenact that scene from Office Space. Just don't delude yourself about the practical effect of doing so.
this.
 
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This is getting kinda derail now, but this is one of those things like with many other things and "facts" that exist in life that I do not have experience with and can only hope that "experts" in the field are telling me the truth.

As of late though I have come to learn that I cannot really trust people as things within my scope that I can actually easily verify as being true or false are contested by "experts" and checkmarks.

This is not your fault, but like with many other things I will "take it with a grain of salt". I always hear about data being pulled from computers that people thought they had deleted, thrown away or damaged enough.

---

For example even as a non expert and my very light knowledge and experience I knew that BIOS data did not need the hard drive, as I had actually run into this scenario in my computer dealings. Yet you had claimed in a prior post that nothing is saved anywhere besides the hard drive.

Knowing this, that you attempted to decieve me, even if unintentionally, by not mentioning minor scenarios, I am unwilling to believe that data(no matter how minor) cannot be saved somewhere that is accessible by someone with enough determination and know-how.
Without pushing the derail too far, I am going to post this for the benefit of anyone who wants to protect their data when getting rid of their computer.

All you need to do is write zeros to the drives.

There are programs that will do this for you. Some you can even load into a live boot USB drive so that you don't have to remove the drive and connect to a new computer.

Just boot into the USB drive and write zeros to your Hard drive a few times.

Explanation: when you delete something from a drive, all it really does is removed some stuff in your OS that points to it. (This is why you hear about recovery of deleted data. They didn't overwrite it) That data remains there until you overwrite it with something else. Writing zeroes is a reference to the binary zero. It fills up your entire drive, with zeroes. It overwrites EVERYTHING.

This technique is good enough for the DoD. It works.

As for BIOS: it doesn't contain any personal data. It only holds a few settings, like time, date, what order to boot your drives, basic stuff like that. It doesn't hold programs or personal data. Computer settings only.
 
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I guess the clowns that deleted the data didn't realize that doesn't get rid of it completely .
Oof, that's bad news for them, especially if anything incriminating is gleaned from this.

Granted, we know nothing will happen immediately or directly (because elements of law enforcement that aren't converged are too cowardly), but I do believe it would be important. If this is what people hope it to be, then the lower house (Trump friendly) Republicans and American Nationalists have their smoking gun. The former now have the drive to cut the Democrats off at the pass in 2022, and the latter have casus belli for seizing full control of the Republican party from the Neocons who let this happen under their noses.

Win, win, in many respects.
 
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