Breaking News Feds bust alleged plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer

When there is a politically significant (alleged) crime, I always expect the first news reports to be lies. It’s those early stories that give the American public their first opinion of the event, those lies will be believed despite small snippets of truth escaping over time. Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, Nick Sandman, Jussie Smollett... the list could go on but we never hear the truth to start with, not until after the lies have added to the leftist narrative in our subconscences.

That Caserta guy does not seem right wing, not with his gauged ears and anarchist flag. I bet the others allegedly involved aren’t either. Was this conspiracy a bunch of idle chatter on the net the the FBI decided to take seriously so it could be frontline news? Could the entire kidnapping conspiracy been organized by FBI provocateurs? That is possible too.

I don’t know what the truth is, but I know that what the truth isn’t - the lies the media has been feeding the public.
 
I reckon this will end up like Hutarees, a big media story, people spending several years in prison waiting for trial and in the end everything dismissed, so the prosecution doesn't need to disclose the information about entrapment. It looks like the main target was the militia, but they refused to take the bait, still the governor is going by the original media scenario.
 
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Husky_Khan said:
LOL they were going to kidnap her and put her on trial. What a bunch of dorks.

And of course Governor Whitmer and her AG whose just as bad as she is are blaming this on Nazi militias and Trumps supposed refusal to denounce them. Way to burn the bridges of the people who helped you nab these apparent terrorists. (y)

This just shows, you can go so far as to save their lives and even some of the so-called Moderates of their party will still spurn, scorn and loathe you.
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According to Timpool, I will get the video later if someone else doesnt, but her AG is saying FUCK IT! and saying they will no longer enforce lockdown breaking
 
Zachowon said:
According to Timpool, I will get the video later if someone else doesnt, but her AG is saying FUCK IT! and saying they will no longer enforce lockdown breaking
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she's probally going to be remove from office soon, from the sounds of it maybe from her own party.
 
Doomsought said:
She's created laws from the executive branch, spent money which she is constitutionally not allowed to do without legislative approval, and refused to return power to the legislative branch when her the questionably valid emergency powers bill expired. She has also ignored the court orders to stop her dictatorial actions.
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Are these the court orders? They're rather recent and a legal expert in the article admits that there's no solid timeline for the ruling's practical effects on Whitmer's directives.

And I still don't see how her swift, authoritative response to a no-shit pandemic situation, in the absence of effective leadership from our esteemed Commander-in-Chief, can be called dictatorial let alone any kind of justification for attempted political violence and terrorism. Whitmer isn't marching jackbooted thugs down the streets of Lansing, gassing and shooting peaceful protestors, or arbitrarily having her political opponents jailed, tortured, or shot. If you think her actions are "dictatorial", then you need a reality check and multiple history lessons.
 
Cherico said:
she's probally going to be remove from office soon, from the sounds of it maybe from her own party.
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I hope so
SVNB Backup said:
Are these the court orders? They're rather recent and a legal expert in the article admits that there's no solid timeline for the ruling's practical effects on Whitmer's directives.

And I still don't see how her swift, authoritative response to a no-shit pandemic situation, in the absence of effective leadership from our esteemed Commander-in-Chief, can be called dictatorial let alone any kind of justification for attempted political violence and terrorism. Whitmer isn't marching jackbooted thugs down the streets of Lansing, gassing and shooting peaceful protestors, or arbitrarily having her political opponents jailed, tortured, or shot. If you think her actions are "dictatorial", then you need a reality check and multiple history lessons.
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She literally caused people on fishing boats that happen to LIVE on the water to get arrested and fined perhaps worse for being out there..ALONE fishing.
People could not move form where they were. OS say they went to their summer home in a more rural part at the start or right before the lock down, they were trapped and could not leave to go back to the other.
Oh should I mention she put COVID patients into nursing homes...even if they weren't old? As in she put 20 year olds and 30 year olds all the way up to the age of those in the home
There is a video going around of an old man being beaten up by a 20 or 30 something year old black man who did not work there
 
SVNB Backup said:
And I still don't see how her swift, authoritative response to a no-shit pandemic situation, in the absence of effective leadership from our esteemed Commander-in-Chief, can be called dictatorial let alone any kind of justification for attempted political violence and terrorism. Whitmer isn't marching jackbooted thugs down the streets of Lansing, gassing and shooting peaceful protestors, or arbitrarily having her political opponents jailed, tortured, or shot. If you think her actions are "dictatorial", then you need a reality check and multiple history lessons.
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The lockdowns are categorically marching jackbooted thugs down the street. Usurping powers she is not allowed to have under the Michigan constitution is categorically dictatorial.

And our comander in chief was wrong not to immediately arrest governors who issued lock-down orders and have them executed for violating the rights of American citizens.
 
You know it occurs to me that the Feds could legally go after the various governors who've issued lockdown orders for violating the civil rights of the citizens of their state
 
Knowledgeispower said:
You know it occurs to me that the Feds could legally go after the various governors who've issued lockdown orders for violating the civil rights of the citizens of their state
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But they don't for the same reason state police are going after citizens who protect themselves from rioters. Unless the current policy completely reverses itself, a civil war is better than not having one, a million dead included.

Because otherwise the lock-downs will never end. Only megacorperations that have political patrons will be allowed to do business or be declared non essential.
 
Well don't worry Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel seems to be presenting a very nuanced view of the situation.


"And then not only do you have our majority leader, Mike Shirkey, I mean he, I know has attended a number of their events. You have county sheriffs that are at their events," Nessel said.

"And so their gripes, their complaints with the government seemed to be further legitimized by the fact that you have elected leaders [supporting them] — and in one case, of course, the commander-in-chief of our nation, putting things on his social media feed saying 'liberate Michigan.' And these guys think that he's talking to them. I mean, he actually said, if you recall, that the governor ought to sit down and negotiate with these armed gunmen."



"I think that when you take a look at who was at that event and you cross-reference it with the names of the people that we've charged, you'll see that many of them were in fact in attendance," Nessel said.


Well we have no evidence but as long as the Attorney General of the state "thinks" it's true, might as well blast it out onto national media as fact.

www.newsweek.com

Fox News' Laura Ingraham Says Michigan Kidnap Plotters Look Like Anarchists

The Fox News host told her audience the men who planned to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer looked more like left-wing anarchists than members of the right.
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SVNB Backup said:
Are these the court orders? They're rather recent and a legal expert in the article admits that there's no solid timeline for the ruling's practical effects on Whitmer's directives.

And I still don't see how her swift, authoritative response to a no-shit pandemic situation, in the absence of effective leadership from our esteemed Commander-in-Chief, can be called dictatorial let alone any kind of justification for attempted political violence and terrorism. Whitmer isn't marching jackbooted thugs down the streets of Lansing, gassing and shooting peaceful protestors, or arbitrarily having her political opponents jailed, tortured, or shot. If you think her actions are "dictatorial", then you need a reality check and multiple history lessons.
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I live in Michigan. I live in an area where there has been exactly one fatality, and that is from a grandfather who went and visited his grandchildren when they were sick, in spite of people who knew him telling him it was a bad idea.

Our local economy has been wrecked by all this lockdown business. My own life has been functionally destroyed; one of my housemates seems to have gone off the deep-end out of fear, and now I need to move.

Gretchen Whitmer has massively exceeded her authority as Governor, to the point where other branches of the government have repeatedly censured her, and she's still completely unrepentant. In a more sane world, she would have been arrested months ago on charges such as attempting unlawful imprisonment, and that's before you even get into the nursing home scandal.

If the hard data supported the effectiveness of the measures she's tried to force I might be somewhat sympathetic, but there's no evidence that the lockdown has actually helped more than it's hurt when it comes to people's health, much less the absolute devastation to livelihoods.

If there was the faintest hint of actually tailoring 'lockdown measures' to local conditions, I might be more sympathetic, but living eleven hours from Detroit and Lansing doesn't seem to make any difference to these condescending elitist ignoramuses.

The woman is a tyrant, and has already displayed that she has no respect for the law.

I do not support her being kidnapped and executed. The people making this scheme were clearly nuts.

I do support her being arrested, charged, convicted, and imprisoned for the rest of her damn life for getting people killed and ruining people's lives and livelihoods.

This country needs laws for charging and convicting government officials when they try to, or worse succeed at, depriving people of their rights.
 
I think what we're seeing with Governor Whitmer, and people like her in our government, is a culmination of something codified by Gerald Ford in his pardoning of Richard Nixon; that our political class is literally above the law, and can basically do whatever the hell they want, with the expectation of getting away with it. The only thing that stood in the way of government officials acting this overt was personal restraint in the face of potentially losing the support of voters, but the Democrats have radicalized to such an extent that they no longer care about such things.
 
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