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None of that makes any sense.

The American Empire, since 2001 at least has been insane. Its degenerate elites openly despise western culture, its peoples and its faith and openly seek their destruction. They are malicious, greedy and utterly without merit.

And the American people (along with the rest of the anglosphere) are the ones who suffer the worst under this horror show of spiteful mutants and resentful plutocrats. Anything that defeats it or discredits it puts the American people one step closer to their own liberation.
Yeah, sure, Russia is 'liberating' Ukraine; what sort of krokidil you been taking?
 

King Arts

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What language are you writing this in? There's your answer. You can't ignore the European, and particularly English heritage of America and deny the political and cultural connection.

Also there are geostrategic considerations. If one wannabe empire in Europe succeeds in conquering as much Europe as it wants (which tends to be most of it), then America will have a problem, which it would rather not have, and is far cheaper and easier to prevent than deal with only once it's necessary.
So it was racism? Well then that means that anyone who is not a WASP has a good reason to support the more immigration, after all that would weaken the historical WASP power, after all it seems a bit hypocritical to put immigrants under a microscope for perceived favoritism towards their nations while allowing WASP's to do the same towards England. Otherwise we'd be letting England's immigrants have extra power.

Your second paragraph is just eye roll worthy Germany would not have been able to occupy and control France and England. The war would have been ruinious and Germany would be hegemon. But France and the UK would still exist.
 

mrttao

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You see, this here is exactly where isolationist thinking goes wrong, because it only thinks in the 'right now.'

Does Russia taking control of Ukraine threaten the US?

Only a little bit, and that's economically. It's a much bigger threat to Europe, but again, that's not a direct threat to the US.

What about when Poland is next?

No, it's only a modest economic threat, no major threat overall. Poland is even less important to the US economy.

Moldova? Romania? Latvia? Estonia? Lithuania?

None of those are that big a deal to America either, economically or militarily, but at this point, Russia has just about finished reconsolidating the Soviet Union.

And then Germany is next.
It is not thinking in the "right now".
it is disagreeing with you about future predictions.

1. Russia conquering ukraine if USA remains uninvolved is dubious considering everyone else tossed their hat into the ring. and even if they did, it will just cause all the euro nations to gang up on them.

2. russia revealed itself to be a paper tiger whose army is a joke. gutted by corruption and graft.

I mean, of the group currently arguing with me, you were the only one who didn't say we will "win" a nuclear war with russia because "their nukes are almost all broken".
kudos to you on that btw.
but regardless, russia threat is dubious.

china suffers similar problems.
 
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Marduk

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So it was racism? Well then that means that anyone who is not a WASP has a good reason to support the more immigration, after all that would weaken the historical WASP power, after all it seems a bit hypocritical to put immigrants under a microscope for perceived favoritism towards their nations while allowing WASP's to do the same towards England. Otherwise we'd be letting England's immigrants have extra power.
WASPs are not a race, and enlighten me, what language are the non-WASPs speaking?
For a long time England's immigrants were favored openly, and even now, the language and culture alone make the immigration easier for them.
Your second paragraph is just eye roll worthy Germany would not have been able to occupy and control France and England. The war would have been ruinious and Germany would be hegemon. But France and the UK would still exist.
Yeah... Thanks for making my point for me. It wouldn't outright occupy them (for now), just be the hegemon and in historical scale get closer to controlling most of Europe.
 

King Arts

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WASPs are not a race, and enlighten me, what language are the non-WASPs speaking?
For a long time England's immigrants were favored openly, and even now, the language and culture alone make the immigration easier for them.
We are speaking English but that does not mean we feel any affinity for the UK.
White Anglo Saxon isn't a race?

And if this is the case why should we care about the CCP and China and Biden? After all maybe they can be a counter to WASP, if this nation really is being controlled by foreign interest why should I care if it's China or UK they are both shit. Hell the UK might be worse since their immigrants are full of libshits that try to take our guns away.
 

Marduk

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We are speaking English but that does not mean we feel any affinity for the UK.
White Anglo Saxon isn't a race?
Not any more than White Czechs are a race. The term you are missing here is "ethnicity".
And if this is the case why should we care about the CCP and China and Biden? After all maybe they can be a counter to WASP, if this nation really is being controlled by foreign interest why should I care if it's China or UK they are both shit.
Yeah, good luck declaring independence from the European and specifically Anglo-Saxon culture despite all your current culture and history. Even Canada and South America cannot cut themselves off like that even though more people there would like to than in USA.
Hell the UK might be worse since their immigrants are full of libshits that try to take our guns away.
Only since the cultural marxists imported themselves there from America itself and found even better ground to grow lol.
 

LordsFire

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It is not thinking in the "right now".
it is disagreeing with you about future predictions.

1. Russia conquering ukraine if USA remains uninvolved is dubious considering everyone else tossed their hat into the ring. and even if they did, it will just cause all the euro nations to gang up on them.

So, you agree that supporting Ukraine is good, you just don't want us to be shelling out the money and material to do it?
 

AmosTrask

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Every year the damn planet looks more and more like a Jack Ryan book. It's almost like that 7 Days to the Rhine plot. But the Russians jumped the gun and invaded prematurely without the logistics and necessary destabilization and collapse operations of the former Warsaw bloc states required.

Edit: Huh. 7 Days to the Rhine is an actual Soviet War Plan and its almost word for word identical to the plot in the book. How interesting.
 
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AmosTrask

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And if this is the case why should we care about the CCP and China and Biden? After all maybe they can be a counter to WASP, if this nation really is being controlled by foreign interest why should I care if it's China or UK they are both shit. Hell the UK might be worse since their immigrants are full of libshits that try to take our guns away.
Under Russia and China you get sent to the gulag to work to death or you accidentally fall out your closed and locked window if you say anything not in the Party book. The rules change daily depending on the mood of the top CCP officials. Under the USA you can say anything you want except for inciting violence and racism and you get to continue saying it. Ask any citizen of any nation neighboring China and Russia and they'll say the same thing. Every time China or Russia is strong it invades, genocides and forcibly displace their neighbors. When they are weak we all get a few decades of peace and rebuilding.

In China's case its been thousands of years. Ask any of the minorities in southern China who until the 60s were part of the SE Asian peninsular nations. A few are kept in traditional costumes to parade and entertain unpaid for their local CCP administrators. To laugh and dance joyfully on command while their eyes are dead. Their families sent to "re-education" camps, their languages, writing, and culture banned from being taught. Their daughters sterilized or forced to marry Han men and raised Han. Ask the minorities in Russia how Moscow treats them. The Russians at least don't pretend and will just kill everyone. You're on krokodil amigo. Completely insane if you think you'll be better off Under Putin or Mao 2.0
 
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Zachowon

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Under Russia and China you get sent to the gulag to work to death or you accidentally fall out your closed and locked window if you say anything not in the Party book. The rules change daily depending on the mood of the top CCP officials. Under the USA you can say anything you want except for inciting violence and racism and you get to continue saying it. Ask any citizen of any nation neighboring China and Russia and they'll say the same thing. Every time China or Russia is strong it invades, genocides and forcibly displace their neighbors. When they are weak we all get a few decades of peace and rebuilding.

In China's case its been thousands of years. Ask any of the minorities in southern China who until the 60s were part of the SE Asian peninsular nations. A few are kept in traditional costumes to parade and entertain unpaid for their local CCP administrators. To laugh and dance joyfully on command while their eyes are dead. Their families sent to "re-education" camps, their languages, writing, and culture banned from being taught. Their daughters sterilized or forced to marry Han men and raised Han. Ask the minorities in Russia how Moscow treats them. The Russians at least don't pretend and will just kill everyone. You're on krokodil amigo. Completely insane if you think you'll be better off Under Putin or Mao 2.0
You see, Russia is based and trad because they hate LGBTQ and woke agenda.
 

Megadeath

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We are speaking English but that does not mean we feel any affinity for the UK.
White Anglo Saxon isn't a race?

And if this is the case why should we care about the CCP and China and Biden? After all maybe they can be a counter to WASP, if this nation really is being controlled by foreign interest why should I care if it's China or UK they are both shit. Hell the UK might be worse since their immigrants are full of libshits that try to take our guns away.
Hahah! You don't think China would love to disarm America? 😂 And you think UK might be worse than the Chinese Communist Party because of all the UK left wingers!?

Maybe I should go hop in a fire, this frying pan is just so damn hot!
 

King Arts

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Under Russia and China you get sent to the gulag to work to death or you accidentally fall out your closed and locked window if you say anything not in the Party book. The rules change daily depending on the mood of the top CCP officials. Under the USA you can say anything you want except for inciting violence and racism and you get to continue saying it. Ask any citizen of any nation neighboring China and Russia and they'll say the same thing. Every time China or Russia is strong it invades, genocides and forcibly displace their neighbors. When they are weak we all get a few decades of peace and rebuilding.

In China's case its been thousands of years. Ask any of the minorities in southern China who until the 60s were part of the SE Asian peninsular nations. A few are kept in traditional costumes to parade and entertain unpaid for their local CCP administrators. To laugh and dance joyfully on command while their eyes are dead. Their families sent to "re-education" camps, their languages, writing, and culture banned from being taught. Their daughters sterilized or forced to marry Han men and raised Han. Ask the minorities in Russia how Moscow treats them. The Russians at least don't pretend and will just kill everyone. You're on krokodil amigo. Completely insane if you think you'll be better off Under Putin or Mao 2.0

Hahah! You don't think China would love to disarm America? 😂 And you think UK might be worse than the Chinese Communist Party because of all the UK left wingers!?

Maybe I should go hop in a fire, this frying pan is just so damn hot!
Yes America is better than Russia or China but here is the thing the UK is not better than either of those. The things you said happened in the UK not killing yet but prison sentence for those who made anti liberal statements, even over 10 years ago. America does not have the UKs government even if we allied with them why would we have the same type of government of those two nations if we allied with them. Saudi Arabia is also an ally yet we aren’t Islamist monarchs.
 

Megadeath

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Yes America is better than Russia or China but here is the thing the UK is not better than either of those. The things you said happened in the UK not killing yet but prison sentence for those who made anti liberal statements, even over 10 years ago. America does not have the UKs government even if we allied with them why would we have the same type of government of those two nations if we allied with them. Saudi Arabia is also an ally yet we aren’t Islamist monarchs.
Heh. You've never left the US, have you? The idea that the UK is even close to as bad as Russia or China is just laughable.
 

Cherico

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Heh. You've never left the US, have you? The idea that the UK is even close to as bad as Russia or China is just laughable.

it is hyperbole but honestly not by that much the UK has a whole lot of problems and just isn't listening to an electorate that is consistantly telling them no. Of course much of the west has the same problem an out of touch techocratic eltie pushing their cult crap down everyone elses throats.
 

mrttao

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So, you agree that supporting Ukraine is good, you just don't want us to be shelling out the money and material to do it?
For the Ukrainian people it would be better if Putin lost in this war.
Because he is even worse than the western woke cult.

I don't think putin is a threat to the USA, win or lose in Ukraine.
Nor that it is the USA's duty to be shelling out for it out of moral obligation to solve all the world's problems.

Nor would I trust the USA anywhere near a reconstruction effort.
 
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