Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022

Like anyone is going to listen to Graham.
Putin might listen, if he believes that the US establishment has decided that killing him is the easiest way to 'stabilize' things.

And if he believes the US may attempt to act on such views...then it becomes a lot more likely Putin decides to go for more extreme measures to protect himself/Russia.


 


So between this and Hannity calling for the Russian military to coup Putin, it's starting to seem like the DC establishment may be willing to risk WW3 to get rid of Putin.

In fairness, I'm reasonably certain there were nutters in the Duma calling for Trump or Obama before him to be assassinated or torn apart by ravenous mobs of Americans and what-have-you.

And the defining aspect of politician tough-talk like this, especially when it's popular, is that there is no consequence and it has little credence. Graham and others (up to and including Biden) are talking tough, but the only concrete aid thus far has been in the realm of arms and rhetoric that many-a conflict in the past between the US and Russia have seen both engage in to favor their proxy.
Russia's just more direct on their end this time.

Putin is not about to push a big red button because an American politician badmouthed him. Elsewise it would've happened many times in the past.
The only potential wrinkle is IF Putin has gone old and is starting to get dementia or something (rumors of which I don't really put much credit in since they've all seemed to pop up in the last month). But in that case...well, assassination or internal palace coup is honestly a desireable end state for Russia domestically and internationally anyways, so...
 
29% of the worlds wheat exports flow through the Black Sea and are sourced from Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine is not going to be planting this year, wheat planting season is in April and there is zero chance that the situation is stabilized to the point where farms are being planted at scale by then.
You're working under the highly faulty assumption that the rest of the world can't just make up for it.

Hint, they can.

Also you're off by about 3-5%.
 
Is Graham's statement accurate? Yes.

One of the only truly viable paths for this to end "peacefully" is for Putin to be removed from the equation and then for the west to take the opportunity to tell Russia that if their troops leave, all will be forgiven and we can just forget that this whole thing happened.

Is Graham making that statement fucking stupid? Yes.

A ranking US Senator calling for the assassination of a foreign head of state is not a good thing. Especially when the US isn't even at war with Russia (at least nominally).

You're working under the highly faulty assumption that the rest of the world can't just make up for it.

Hint, they can.

Also you're off by about 3-5%.
No, they really can't. Where do you think all of this magical excess agriculture is located?

We saw what happened the last time the Russian wheat supply was interrupted. Prices doubled or tripled and as a direct consequence we got the Arab Spring.

And that was a situation where the interruption was relatively mildy and relatively brief AND when the global fertilizer markets were just fine.

Now? You are talking about a larger shortage, higher transport costs, and global fertilizer shortages at the same time.

All of those farms in Brazil and Africa and Australia? They all RELY on fertilizer to grow effectively. There are three broad categories of fertilizer; Potash based, Nitrate based, and Phosphate based. 40% of the Potash comes from Russia and Belarus - its no longer available. China is the largest supplier of phosphate based and it has effectively cut off all exports. Nitrate based comes largely from natural gas and the rising prices of that input have jacked up the price (not to mention that most of the supply is already spoken for).

And let's say that Russia is magically willing to supply all of this. What are they getting paid in? Russia won't accept dollars because they can't use them.

Real life isn't a video game where you can just click a button and a product gets spit out.
 



So now people are questioning how much danger that nuclear power plant was actually in. Because it sounds like the fighting was mostly near the Admin building, not the reactors themselves. Those early reports of radiation increasing seem to be iffy as well now.

At this point both Ukrainian and Russian propaganda/infowar is getting really out of hand.
 


So now people are questioning how much danger that nuclear power plant was actually in. Because it sounds like the fighting was mostly near the Admin building, not the reactors themselves. Those early reports of radiation increasing seem to be iffy as well now.

At this point both Ukrainian and Russian propaganda/infowar is getting really out of hand.

Post truth Era.
 
It's kind of like their claims of Baby Yar memorial being damaged.

Better if they had sailed it out and went down fighting with the flag nailed to the mast and still flying as it sinks.

Ship was under refit, it was in no state to fight, them sailing out would only add to Ukrainian casualty list.

Is Graham's statement accurate? Yes.

One of the only truly viable paths for this to end "peacefully" is for Putin to be removed from the equation and then for the west to take the opportunity to tell Russia that if their troops leave, all will be forgiven and we can just forget that this whole thing happened.

Russia is not just Putin. Contrary to popular belief he is not the God Emperor of Russia but a shrewd politician steering between power factions of Kremlin. He was considered rather moderate, compared to many of the Kremlin siloviks. Current war is not as much a result of him being supposedly crazy, but the result of rise of the hardliner faction within the government, ever since USA bent the pro-western faction over the barrel in 2014. If Putin dies, his replacement will be likely much more hardcore.
 
Transnistria might join Russia and there is a very slight chance
Not really. Transnistria will join Russia. It gives a much more natural and clear border and removes the future opportunity for Russia to try and grab it off.

Essentially, Russia will make the play (probably "invited" by the local puppets) and the West will let it pass.
 
Not really. Transnistria will join Russia. It gives a much more natural and clear border and removes the future opportunity for Russia to try and grab it off.

Essentially, Russia will make the play (probably "invited" by the local puppets) and the West will let it pass.
I think they will be more like a semi-autonomous allied republic, I've heard that a lot of Russian money and intelligence goes through there, for example.
But let us see what happens.

EDIT: the mad doc of the right thinks this conflict might might save the West
 
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The Russia force is already largely conscripts. And no, simply locking down a city doesn't really need all that many ground forces if you are willing to be decently ruthless about it. So long as you can keep the city under surveillance and have decent coordination with your artillery, you can basically keep the city contained enough to let you ignore it.
In Ukrainian conditions, its not as easy as in the sandbox wars - the enemies being locked down there are not insurgent light infantry, they are a mixture of regular and conscript infantry with some vehicle support, drone support, and lots of infantry heavy weapons.
Also Russian army is not mostly conscripts, at least not in its normal/current state with no mobilization. About 1/3 is, and by regulation they can't be "combat troops", logistics are filled with them though *ahem ahem*.
You take/disable the power plants, cut the communications links, deploy decent jamming, and then interdict shipments into the city as you are able. Minefields are also useful.
That's a siege. As i said, it can work if done properly, but it will take months.

Russia isn't grabbing Ukraine because Putin wants to be a conqueror.
Of course not. Putin considers that a reunification, not a conquest.

Ukraine is still losing them in substantial numbers.
As long as they can keep morale high, they can afford it. With the numbers involved, for a very, very long time.

Not really. The goals that Russia cares about are all on the Western edge of Ukraine. The only "lesser" goal that Russia could credibly have gone for is everything east of the Dnieper River; and the expected consequences of trying that are identical to the consequences for grabbing all of Ukraine.
Occupying the western edge of Ukraine is the most likely "guerilla hell" scenario they can arrange for themselves. Avoiding that is a boon in and of itself. Even if the direct diplomatic consequences stay the same, making the fighting easier and cheaper would make things easier on the military side immediately and on diplomatic front in long term.
Overall i think doing this invasion for the sake of gaining few conventional warfare advantages in terrain is an ass backwards maneuver - the price, direct and indirect, financial and otherwise, that Russia will end up paying for it will be many times greater than the value of these advantages in any conventional war, in addition to greatly increasing chances of said war. It would be far more efficient to invest these assets in improving own economy and defense if they worry about that. Geographical chokepoints in the end are a force multiplier, so if the force being multiplied is in shambles and the country can't afford a better one, they are not worth that much.


He's got another decade.

Define wealth. Because Dollars and Euros aren't really wealth.
For these purposes, anything that can be exchanged for foreign imports Russia needs.

Nations that are entirely reliant on fertilizer for their food production. Nations that have transport costs at least twice as high as Russia's. Nations whose food products are already spoken for on the global market.

Russia and Ukraine combine for, literally, 29% of ALL the world's wheat exports. That is not something that can be casually or quickly replaced.
But how much of world staple crops is wheat itself? From what i see wheat, rice and corn are roughly in the same ballpark, and substitution is rather obvious among these.
Western countries also kinda have the reserve of being able to suddenly dump staple crop prices by decree thanks to grift/green scheme of biofuels. End that grift, and suddenly the market is full of cheap corn. Its increasingly looking like Putin has accidentally made a strong argument for the west to dump the green movement hard right now. NPPs? Coal? Gas? Biofuels? Going against the green movement in any of these is going to help with the obvious moves against Russia, and many really want to make these moves.
In addition, a lot of Russia's wheat exports go to countries that won't give that much of a damn about the sanctions anyway, like Syria, China, Pakistan or Egypt, so the market effect will be nothing near removal of all of the 29%.


Most of Europe is critically reliant on Russian energy. Not just for electricity or heating, but also for industrial processes. Without Russian gas, you are looking at substantial inflation in Europe at best. Now, again, throw in the loss of the Russian market and the GLOBAL loss in excess money as everyone's energy and food prices increase. Europe's economy is driven by the export of what are, largely, luxury goods.
Is Europe reliant on that technologically or merely politically? Politics can change over mere years, months in emergency. Technologically, Europe could dump energy prices by cutting green bullshit, even gassify its currently artificially underused coal, not sure if that works well for industrial purposes but it certainly does for energy gas.
The Baltic states aren't going to be allowed into NATO, but they absolutely will be given trainers and military equipment sufficient to make a future Russian attack into another quagmire.
Waitaminute, Baltic States are in NATO since many years.
 
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Moldova has currently deployed NATO troops there.
If it is invaded NATO forced would be at risk
 
Well, Mercouris of the Duran hit an interesting point here and it actually aligns with my thinking on the subject.
The Russians have set up humanitarian corridors, they were leaving civilian infrastructure mostly in tact, and they were extremely loud about the Chehen fighters going out to kill nazis.
Now,what would your average nazi/far right murderous psycho bully in Ukraine think?
Head to Lovov, perhaps.
Lovov that is close to Poland, part of a historically polish area, with a polish minority.
Sounds like Putin is exporting his Azov/Right Sector problem to Warsaw.
 
No "new" jets for Ukraine in the foreseeable future.


Also in aeronautical Human interest stories...There is still a second An-225 that could be potentially restored... Or destroyed.


Rob Lee sounding off on Senator Grahams comments and the best way USA can help Ukraine without 'appeasement.' Three Tweet thread.



Purported video of a Russian drone strike with guided munitions.



Tweet also shows video reportedly showing Russian forces advancing in the Donbass with armored and drone support.

Story on the Chechens fighting for Ukraine (or just against Russia).

 

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